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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #3360 on: January 27, 2020, 01:46:56 pm »

Hi, Peter. So as far as you're concerned, the only jobs worth having are as CEO of a multinational?

I didn't say that.  You did.  Please don't volunteer my opinions for me.
 
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You'd rather have your government hand out taxpayers' money to unemployed people than let them make a buck pushing hamburgers and fries? Well, that's certainly the spirit that pumped up Venezuela's economy to its world-beating level.

Venezuela failed due to corruption, cronyism, mismanagement and failure to adjust to falling oil prices, not due to paying the unemployed to work in fast food restaurants.
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« Reply #3361 on: January 27, 2020, 01:49:39 pm »

What's "Presidential"?

Not Trump.  He can hardly put five words together in a sentence.  This is not an opinion, this is an observation.
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« Reply #3362 on: January 27, 2020, 01:53:11 pm »

. But many presidents have resorted to vulgar language at some point during their tenure in the Oval Office. Yet some presidents had more of a reputation for their foul mouths than others.

Classic whataboutism.  Referencing others' misdeeds doesn't excuse his behaviour.

You gotta do better than that threadbare attempt.
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« Reply #3363 on: January 27, 2020, 02:27:11 pm »

I didn't say that.  You did.  Please don't volunteer my opinions for me.

That's exactly what you said, and I quote: "You want fries with those jobs?"
 
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Venezuela failed due to corruption, cronyism, mismanagement and failure to adjust to falling oil prices, not due to paying the unemployed to work in fast food restaurants.

No, Venezuela failed due to socialism, which pays the unemployed to be faithful socialists.
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« Reply #3364 on: January 27, 2020, 03:15:55 pm »

... Venezuela failed due to corruption, cronyism, mismanagement and failure to adjust to falling oil prices...

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« Reply #3365 on: January 27, 2020, 04:06:11 pm »

Ambassadors not only serve at the pleasure of the president.  They are the president's voice. 

Seems to me they should be the country's voice, not the president's, or do you think you live in a dictatorship.
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« Reply #3366 on: January 27, 2020, 04:08:15 pm »

Artist previously known as Socialism.

You imagine those bedfellows are unique to Socialism?

Be real.

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« Reply #3367 on: January 27, 2020, 04:08:34 pm »

So much about "national security":

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrat-impeachment-managers-military-aid-ukraine-deroy-murdock

Democrat impeachment managers voted AGAINST military aid to Ukraine

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Nadler, Lofgren, and Jeffries are working tirelessly to dislodge President Trump for delaying aid to Ukraine when they themselves voted to stop such relief, dead in its tracks.

On July 26, 2018, all three voted against the Fiscal Year 2019 National Defense Authorization Act, which included $250 million in security assistance to Ukraine.

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Even worse, Nadler opposed $300 million in aid to Ukraine when he voted against the Fiscal Year 2020 National Defense Authorization Act. Astonishingly, Nadlerís vote was on December 11, 2019, two days after he chaired a Judiciary Committee impeachment hearing and exactly one week before he was the House floor manager for the December 17 debate and December 18 votes on articles of impeachment.

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« Reply #3368 on: January 27, 2020, 04:14:58 pm »

Seems to me they should be the country's voice, not the president's, or do you think you live in a dictatorship.

Oh, please! Enough with those cutesy proclamations!

What exactly is the "country's voice"? When was the last time, this country, or any country, in any point in history, spoke with a single voice as the "country's voice"? That's why we have executive and legislative branches, to represent the country. As you can imagine, the "country's voice" under Democrats is quite different than the "country's voice" under Republicans. Or any other political division in any other country.

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« Reply #3369 on: January 27, 2020, 04:24:19 pm »

Oh, please! Enough with those cutesy proclamations!

What exactly is the "country's voice"? When was the last time, this country, or any country, in any point in history, spoke with a single voice as the "country's voice"? That's why we have executive and legislative branches, to represent the country. As you can imagine, the "country's voice" under Democrats is quite different than the "country's voice" under Republicans. Or any other political division in any other country.

There is a large US  foreign service with ties to many intelligence services. In a sane administration, the President gets his info from them so his word has the benefit of knowledge from people who do this for a living and so in that sense represents the country, that is, it is there for the good of the country. Reading all the various reportings from the frist couple of years of this clown's administration, his info came from cable news and his own ego, and the good of the country doesn't seem to be close to his heart.

I wasn't trying to be cute with my proclamation, I was objecting to Alan's phrasing. The Trump cult worshipping on these pages is sometimes embarrassing to read. For a bunch of people who claim to be clear-eyed and cynical about the world, the slavish adulation of a goofball like him is alarming.
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« Reply #3370 on: January 27, 2020, 04:33:44 pm »

For a bunch of people who claim to be clear-eyed and cynical about the world, the slavish adulation of a goofball like him is alarming.

What's truly alarming is that after a couple hundred years of demonstrations of what socialism brings, we have Democrats pushing socialism.
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« Reply #3371 on: January 27, 2020, 04:38:08 pm »

Democrat impeachment managers voted AGAINST military aid to Ukraine

Please don't insult our intelligence, and list which other elements were in that NDAA 2019 which could explain why certain Representatives voted in favor of, or against, the total package.
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« Reply #3372 on: January 27, 2020, 04:54:04 pm »

Please don't insult our intelligence, and list which other elements were in that NDAA 2019 which could explain why certain Representatives voted in favor of, or against, the total package.

Right. The point is not whether military aid to Ukraine is a good idea. The point is that once it had been approved and was in the pipeline, Trump held it up as leverage for personal political gain. And then released the aid only after the whistleblower went public and congress and the press started getting suspicious.
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« Reply #3373 on: January 27, 2020, 04:54:57 pm »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-bolton-idUSKBN1ZP0VD

How are you Trump supporters going to explain us why the Republicans will not ask Bolton to testify?

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« Reply #3374 on: January 27, 2020, 04:58:33 pm »

It's so funny to watch the former Florida AG going after Hunter Biden's joining the board of Burisma.  One could equally attack Elaine Chao, aka Ms. Mitch McConnell for her service on US corporate boards.  She served on the Wells Fargo board for a number of years when I was a shareholder and never raised any objection to the predatory actions for which Wells Fargo was fined and sanctioned.  If this is the best that the President's team can do it's pretty pathetic.  Of course we could also discuss the Chinese trademarks that were mysteriously granted to Ivanka Trump and the phony stuff the Trump family pulled in trying to sell condo units in a building where nobody wanted to live.  Corruption is endemic with this family and one reason the President wants to stay in office is he will be facing a number of criminal and civil lawsuits when he leaves office.

One big question is why the Republican Congress in 2017 when the President first came into office did not launch any oversight investigations of Hunter Biden.  It was only after VP Biden announced his candidacy that this happened and of course the Republicans had already lost the House.  This is all just too funny and I can't wait for the next Parnas video drop.
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« Reply #3375 on: January 27, 2020, 05:06:08 pm »

It's so funny to watch the former Florida AG going after Hunter Biden's joining the board of Burisma.  One could equally attack Elaine Chao, aka Ms. Mitch McConnell for her service on US corporate boards.  She served on the Wells Fargo board for a number of years when I was a shareholder and never raised any objection to the predatory actions for which Wells Fargo was fined and sanctioned.  If this is the best that the President's team can do it's pretty pathetic.  Of course we could also discuss the Chinese trademarks that were mysteriously granted to Ivanka Trump and the phony stuff the Trump family pulled in trying to sell condo units in a building where nobody wanted to live.  Corruption is endemic with this family and one reason the President wants to stay in office is he will be facing a number of criminal and civil lawsuits when he leaves office.


Said Florida AG was also the one who dropped an investigation into Trump University (later found to be guilty of fraud by another investigation) right after receiving a 25K campaign contribution if I recall... 

These people.  ::)   I guess I'm jaded enough not to be moved by the "corruption" that probably happens across the political spectrum, but the blatant gaslighting and hypocrisy by Trump and his administration is really something to behold, and not in a good way.

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« Reply #3376 on: January 27, 2020, 05:06:51 pm »

Currently on TV live the Republicans are making the case in front of the Senate about Biden's corruption - how Hunter got a sweetheart deal and how his father the VP Joe Biden protected him by insisting that Ukraine fire the prosecutor or Obama would withhold 1 billion dollars in military aid.  So it seems the Bidens were doing what everyone is accusing Trump of doing.  Small world.

Like I posted previously, this is all bad for Biden's nomination. I don;t understand why Pelosi pushed it.  She's shooting Biden while aiming at Trump.  Biden gets smeared but Trump will get off because the Republicans will vote to acquit.  Maybe Democrats want to destroy Biden because they feel he's going to lose against TRump.  That opens the nomination to a closed convention where a Bloomberg or so other stronger candidate (Hillary?) would wind up being selected to run against Trump. 

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« Reply #3377 on: January 27, 2020, 05:12:20 pm »

It's so funny to watch the former Florida AG going after Hunter Biden's joining the board of Burisma.  One could equally attack Elaine Chao, aka Ms. Mitch McConnell for her service on US corporate boards.  She served on the Wells Fargo board for a number of years when I was a shareholder and never raised any objection to the predatory actions for which Wells Fargo was fined and sanctioned.  If this is the best that the President's team can do it's pretty pathetic.  Of course we could also discuss the Chinese trademarks that were mysteriously granted to Ivanka Trump and the phony stuff the Trump family pulled in trying to sell condo units in a building where nobody wanted to live.  Corruption is endemic with this family and one reason the President wants to stay in office is he will be facing a number of criminal and civil lawsuits when he leaves office.

One big question is why the Republican Congress in 2017 when the President first came into office did not launch any oversight investigations of Hunter Biden.  It was only after VP Biden announced his candidacy that this happened and of course the Republicans had already lost the House.  This is all just too funny and I can't wait for the next Parnas video drop.

What's funny is how Pelosi's push for impeachment now headlines Joe Biden's apparent corruption protecting his son's sweetheart deal.  This makes it harder for him to win the Democrat nomination.  Talk about the democrats shooting themselves in the foot. 

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« Reply #3378 on: January 27, 2020, 05:12:40 pm »

Currently on TV live the Republicans are making the case in front of the Senate about Biden's corruption - how Hunter got a sweetheart deal and how his father the VP Joe Biden protected him by insisting that Ukraine fire the prosecutor or Obama would withhold 1 billion dollars in military aid.  So it seems the Bidens were doing what everyone is accusing Trump of doing.  Small world.

Like I posted previously, this is all bad for Biden's nomination. I don't understand why Pelosi pushed it.  She's shooting Biden while aiming at Trump.  Biden gets smeared but Trump will get off because the Republicans will vote to acquit.  Maybe Democrats want to destroy Biden because they feel he's going to lose against TRump.  That opens the nomination to a closed convention where a Bloomberg or so other stronger candidate (Hillary?) would wind up being selected to run against Trump.

Because, Alan, They. Are. LYING.  The timeline is all wrong - Neither Burisma nor Biden was under investigation when Ukraine was pressured into removing Shokin.  Further, the EU, independent of Biden, the US, had been pushing for the same as a matter of policy. Further still, all of these people wanted Shokin replaced because he WASN'T being aggressive enough.  Every source at the time confirms this, and I linked several contemporaneous articles here from various EU media sources that were published at the time. 

What don't y'all understand about this???  Literally, this has the same  factual credibility as it would if Trump was claiming Biden was a space alien because he was trying to cut off SETI funding lest he be outed..
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« Reply #3379 on: January 27, 2020, 05:19:43 pm »

Because, Alan, They. Are. LYING.  The timeline is all wrong - Neither Burisma nor Biden was under investigation when Ukraine was pressured into removing Shokin.  Further, the EU, independent of Biden, the US, had been pushing for the same as a matter of policy. Further still, all of these people wanted Shokin replaced because he WASN'T being aggressive enough.  Every source at the time confirms this, and I linked several contemporaneous articles here from various EU media sources that were published at the time. 

What don't y'all understand about this???  Literally, this has the same  factual credibility as it would if Trump was claiming Biden was a space alien.
Yes it was very convenient that the prosecutor was a crook.  Then the real reason VP Biden had for getting rid of him, to protect his son, could be explained away.  VP Biden was told to recuse himself by other Democrats including President Obama because it wouldn't look good being involved in this matter because his son worked for the corrupt corporation Burisma that was being investigated.  But he didn't.  Why not?  Well, protecting his son could be the reason.  Certainly there's an appearance of something afoul that would call for an investigation.  So Trump did his job calling for it.  Biden should have recused himself.  Now he and his son look like crooks. 
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