How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science

[RSL]

Sorry, Fab, you lost me with that one. So you looked it up. Yeah, Google tells the whole story. I remember what it was like to be N/A old. It had its compensations, especially in the joints -- both kinds.

[LesPalenik]

You were there!?

It's amazing how much you can learn remotely from a video. The last video I watched was about American spin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjNiimbY-A

just watch the first 15 seconds

[Alan Klein]

It's amazing how much you can learn remotely from a video. The last video I watched was about American spin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCjNiimbY-A

just watch the first 15 seconds

She can give me lessons on how to spin.  Language barrier is no problem.  No, not the announcer.  The other one. 

[Alan Klein]

The Democrats and liberal media have always used making fun of Republican presidents and candidates as a way to bring them down.  I remember with Eisenhower, they said he was losing it, incompetent, senile.  Meanwhile he ended the Korean war and kept America at peace for 8 years.  Ditto with Reagan.  He too was called incompetent, senile.  Yet he helped destroy the Soviet Union.  Presidential Republican Candidate Goldwater was going to start WWIII with nukes so the Democrat claimed.  Meanwhile it was his competitor Johnson who as president made up the phoney Tonkin Bay incident that got us into the Vietnam War that killed 58,000 Americans and millions others. 

So now they're doing it with Trump.  They don;t want to talk about the good economy, his destruction of ISIS territory, his stopping the NK from testing nukes and firing ICMS, for taking on the Chinese and their stealing intellectual property secrets and islands that belong to others.  So they concentrate on trying to make fun of him over silly stuff.  They want to make it seem like a billionaire father of great effective and bright successful children and who single handedly beat both the Bush and Clinton dynasties and his own party's secret plans to beat him is stupid and incompetent.  The public and press should be taking him on with the real issues of the day.  Unfortunately, the public rather not because they're silly gossips who fall for the fake news every time. 

[kers]

The Democrats and liberal media have always used making fun of Republican presidents and candidates as a way to bring them down.  I remember with Eisenhower, they said he was losing it, incompetent, senile.  Meanwhile he ended the Korean war and kept America at peace for 8 years.  Ditto with Reagan.  He too was called incompetent, senile.  Yet he helped destroy the Soviet Union.  Presidential Republican Candidate Goldwater was going to start WWIII with nukes so the Democrat claimed.  Meanwhile it was his competitor Johnson who as president made up the phoney Tonkin Bay incident that got us into the Vietnam War that killed 58,000 Americans and millions others. 

So now they're doing it with Trump.  They don;t want to talk about the good economy, his destruction of ISIS territory, his stopping the NK from testing nukes and firing ICMS, for taking on the Chinese and their stealing intellectual property secrets and islands that belong to others.  So they concentrate on trying to make fun of him over silly stuff.  They want to make it seem like a billionaire father of great effective and bright successful children and who single handedly beat both the Bush and Clinton dynasties and his own party's secret plans to beat him is stupid and incompetent.  The public and press should be taking him on with the real issues of the day.  Unfortunately, the public rather not because they're silly gossips who fall for the fake news every time.

If i read this i think we did do not live in the same world... i recall history totally different than you... even what happened just today... amazing.

[Chris Kern]

Ditto with Reagan.  He too was called incompetent, senile.

Reagan incompetent?  Arguably, but I think that probably depends more on your political perspective rather than any objective evidence—and his occasional temporary lapses of memory and articulation while in office could have been attributable to age.  Senile?  I don't recall that being reported while he was in office, only afterwards.  Of course, in retirement he was indeed diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, and that's what he died of.  But although one of his children said he saw signs of senility while Reagan was president, a reliable fact-checking site concluded that Reagan did not exhibit symptoms while he was in office.

Trump certainly seems to have some sort of cognitive oddities—e.g., his tendency to tell transparent lies and his propensity for grandiose statements—but I doubt anyone without medical training and appropriate clinical experience could make more than a guess at figuring out whether these are symptoms of dementia or of some other physiological or psychological debility.

[Alan Klein]

If i read this i think we did do not live in the same world... i recall history totally different than you... even what happened just today... amazing.

What do you remember about Eisenhower, Johnson, Reagan or Trump that is different? You don't even live here.  How old are you anyway?  What have you lived through in America?  I don't recall much of what happened in the Netherlands. How can you know so much of American political history?   How many American newspapers have you read in the last 70 years or watched TV news programs?

[Alan Klein]

Reagan incompetent?  Arguably, but I think that probably depends more on your political perspective rather than any objective evidence—and his occasional temporary lapses of memory and articulation while in office could have been attributable to age.  Senile?  I don't recall that being reported while he was in office, only afterwards.  Of course, in retirement he was indeed diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, and that's what he died of.  But although one of his children said he saw signs of senility while Reagan was president, a reliable fact-checking site concluded that Reagan did not exhibit symptoms while he was in office.

Trump certainly seems to have some sort of cognitive oddities—e.g., his tendency to tell transparent lies and his propensity for grandiose statements—but I doubt anyone without medical training and appropriate clinical experience could make more than a guess at figuring out whether these are symptoms of dementia or of some other physiological or psychological debility.

All politicians lie, spin the truth and prevaricate.  To call it some psychological debility is just another attempt by your side to paint Trump as some sort of a defect.  I understand the game that;s going on.  It's easier and more effective to attack the person than his policies. 

Trump just hasn't been at lying, spinning and prevaricating as long as most.  He needs more practice.  In any case, the press and his opponents look for stuff to spin to make him look bad. He should keep his mouth shut.  But he needs to practice in order to get better at it.  

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Reagan incompetent?  Arguably, but I think that probably depends more on your political perspective rather than any objective evidence—and his occasional temporary lapses of memory and articulation while in office could have been attributable to age.  Senile?  I don't recall that being reported while he was in office, only afterwards.

Hear, hear. And his staff made sure he didn't stray too far off a sensible track.

And while I generally was not a fan of his political beliefs, I do realize that his administration has facilitated a number of things that I can sympathize with. Seen from outside of American politics, in my country we try not to conflict personal appreciation with the broader general interest (if we can avoid that). We tend to take our (chosen) poison with a certain level of grace.

Of course, in retirement he was indeed diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, and that's what he died of.  But although one of his children said he saw signs of senility while Reagan was president, a reliable fact-checking site concluded that Reagan did not exhibit symptoms while he was in office.

History will tell (or does it), how Ivanka will portrait her father after he can no longer benefit or damage her carrier perspectives ...

Trump certainly seems to have some sort of cognitive oddities—e.g., his tendency to tell transparent lies and his propensity for grandiose statements—but I doubt anyone without medical training and appropriate clinical experience could make more than a guess at figuring out whether these are symptoms of dementia or of some other physiological or psychological debility.

Yet, those who knowingly kept om pushing his candidacy, are complicit. Just face it, and it's consequences.

[James Clark]

All politicians lie, spin the truth and prevaricate.  To call it some psychological debility is just another attempt by your side to paint Trump as some sort of a defect.  I understand the game that;s going on.  It's easier and more effective to attack the person than his policies. 

Trump just hasn't been at lying, spinning and prevaricating as long as most.  He needs more practice.  In any case, the press and his opponents look for stuff to spin to make him look bad. He should keep his mouth shut.  But he needs to practice in order to get better at it.

Alan, he’s literally made a career of it. Why do you keep defending this jerk?. He’s not a conservative, multiple sources have confirmed that he neither studies nor prepares, and there’s zero indication that there’s any sort of cohesive policy that goes beyond pleasing the knee-jerk emotions of his abase, who apparently value nothing as much as annoying liberals, which is sort of a stupid policy position. 

Listen, Trump Derangement Syndrome is real.  The man could cure cancer and some of us would find a way to belittle him for it.  I admit that.  But it’s real with his supporters as well.  Stop finding any excuse to justify his idiocy and admit that he’s G** D*** incompetent. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming, and much of it comes from sources that are in no way liberal.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... value nothing as much as annoying liberals...

Seems good enough for me.

[James Clark]

Seems good enough for me.

Lol.  It may provide great sport, but I’d prefer someone with a better policy position than “annoy the other side”. YMMV (even though I don’t think it does) but in my opinion that’s a stupid and simple methodology.

[LesPalenik]

The Democrats and liberal media have always used making fun of Republican presidents and candidates as a way to bring them down.  I remember with Eisenhower, they said he was losing it, incompetent, senile.  Meanwhile he ended the Korean war and kept America at peace for 8 years.  Ditto with Reagan.  He too was called incompetent, senile.  Yet he helped destroy the Soviet Union. 

Alzheimer's disease tends to develop slowly and gradually worsens over several years. Eventually, Alzheimer's disease affects most areas of your brain, such as memory, thinking, judgment, language, problem-solving, personality and movement. People with mild cognitive impairment (MCI) have mild changes in their memory and thinking ability. These changes aren't significant enough to affect work or relationships yet, but people with MCI may have memory lapses when it comes to information that is usually easily remembered, such as conversations, recent events or appointments.

It is very likely, that Reagan's pre-clinical Alzheimer's disease began long before any symptoms became apparent. At that stage even people around him wouldn't have noticed the changes. Alzheimer in early stages it can be identified only in research settings.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Lol.  It may provide great sport, but I’d prefer someone with a better policy position than “annoy the other side”. YMMV (even though I don’t think it does) but in my opinion that’s a stupid and simple methodology.

What’s not to like? 56% less invaders from shithole countries, for instance:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/06/mexico-us-border-crossings-down-trump-tariffs

[James Clark]

What’s not to like? 56% less invaders from shithole countries, for instance:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/06/mexico-us-border-crossings-down-trump-tariffs

Nah. Not triggered. You gotta do better than that.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Nah. Not triggered. You gotta do better than that.

In another thread, perhaps. We got sidetracked from climate, again. Back to Alabama 

[Alan Klein]

We're really not sidetrack, skepticism about climate extends over all the areas of what's published as fake news.  It creates skepticism about everything we read and hear.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Some interesting graphs that might be related to the thread subject or are of general interest:

[BernardLanguillier]

Alan, he’s literally made a career of it. Why do you keep defending this jerk?. He’s not a conservative, multiple sources have confirmed that he neither studies nor prepares, and there’s zero indication that there’s any sort of cohesive policy that goes beyond pleasing the knee-jerk emotions of his abase, who apparently value nothing as much as annoying liberals, which is sort of a stupid policy position. 

Listen, Trump Derangement Syndrome is real.  The man could cure cancer and some of us would find a way to belittle him for it.  I admit that.  But it’s real with his supporters as well.  Stop finding any excuse to justify his idiocy and admit that he’s G** D*** incompetent. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming, and much of it comes from sources that are in no way liberal.

Trump is incredibly incompetent. Most of us would have been fired tens of times from our far less critical jobs if we displayed 50% of his inabilities.

Cheers,
Bernard

[lhodaniel]

What do you remember about Eisenhower, Johnson, Reagan or Trump that is different? You don't even live here.  How old are you anyway?  What have you lived through in America?  I don't recall much of what happened in the Netherlands. How can you know so much of American political history?   How many American newspapers have you read in the last 70 years or watched TV news programs?

The thought that pops into my mind when I read someone from the Netherlands criticizing America, including our President, is that these are the people that built a third of their country on what God/nature intended to be a seabed. Trump might not have known where the hurricane was headed, but he has built his buildings above sea level.