How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science

[LesPalenik]

But reading the quote doesn;t explain how much was man made or natural.  Did the wiki article give those specifics?  Also, post the article's link for reference so we can read the whole thing.

Alan, the Amazon fire and deforestation would deserve its own thread. However, in order to satisfy your curiosity, I am pleased to oblige. Here are two articles:


A man works in a burning tract of Amazon jungle as it is being cleared by loggers and farmers in Iranduba, Amazonas state, Brazil August 20, 2019. (REUTERS/Bruno Kelly/File Photo)

Deforestation is considered the major contributing factor behind the alarming numbers. nvironmentalists have also put the blame on President Jair Bolsonaro, saying his policies have only threatened the forest more.
Human activities — farming, mining and drilling — are what scientists say are exacerbating the situation now.

Bolsonaro said that “everything indicates” that NGOs are responsible but had no evidence for his allegations, saying he doesn’t have a “plan” because “that’s not how it’s done.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/5794191/amazon-rainforest-fire-explained/

Record-breaking fires are ripping through the Amazon — an ecosystem on which the whole world depends.
An unprecedented number of fires have raged throughout Brazil in 2019, intensifying in August. There have been more than 80,000 fires so far this year, the most ever recorded by the country’s National Institute for Space Research (INPE). It’s a nearly 80 percent jump compared to the number of fires the country experienced over the same time period in 2018. More than half of those fires are taking place in the Amazon.

Experts say deforestation and a practice called slash-and-burn are to blame for most of the flames. People cut down patches of forest, allow the area to dry out, then set the remains ablaze to make room for agriculture or other development. They might also set fires to replenish the soil and encourage the growth of pastures for cattle.

“These are intentional fires to clear the forest,” Cathelijne Stoof, coordinator of the Fire Center at Wageningen University (WUR) in the Netherlands, tells The Verge. “People want to get rid of the forest to make agricultural land, for people to eat meat.”

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20836891/amazon-fires-brazil-bolsonaro-rainforest-deforestation-analysis-effects

The latest announcement by Bolsonaro stated that he will take $12 million aid from UK, but he will now stop using his French BIC pen. He is, however, still mulling over whether he will accept the $20 million aid package from France.
 

[Alan Klein]

Alan, the Amazon fire and deforestation would deserve its own thread. However, in order to satisfy your curiosity, I am pleased to oblige. Here are two articles:


A man works in a burning tract of Amazon jungle as it is being cleared by loggers and farmers in Iranduba, Amazonas state, Brazil August 20, 2019. (REUTERS/Bruno Kelly/File Photo)

https://globalnews.ca/news/5794191/amazon-rainforest-fire-explained/

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/28/20836891/amazon-fires-brazil-bolsonaro-rainforest-deforestation-analysis-effects

The latest announcement by Bolsonaro stated that he will take $12 million aid from UK, but he will now stop using his French BIC pen. He is, however, still mulling over whether he will accept the $20 million aid package from France.
 

Why is he taking aid from foreigners anyway?  Doesn't he have any pride.  I would take care of the issue myself with Brazilian money.   Then throw away my Bic.

[Alan Klein]

Germany screwing American drivers and screwing up the climate again.  Pays big fine.  What's with you Europeans?  How can anyone believe that Germany is abiding by the Paris Accords since they cheat all the time?  China doesn't even have to cheat since they don;t have to do anything until 2030.  And people wonder why Trump pulled out of Paris. 

"the EPA also alleges that VW understated the greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 220,000 metric tons."
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That's a lot of cows.

[LesPalenik]

Germany screwing American drivers and screwing up the climate again.  Pays big fine.  What's with you Europeans?  How can anyone believe that Germany is abiding by the Paris Accords since they cheat all the time?  China doesn't even have to cheat since they don;t have to do anything until 2030.  And people wonder why Trump pulled out of Paris. 

"the EPA also alleges that VW understated the greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 220,000 metric tons."
[size=78%]https://www.thedrive.com/news/29641/volkswagen-agrees-to-repay-owners-after-overstating-fuel-economy-figures-on-98000-vehicles[/size]

The German emission is now old news. What is new is that:

From today, the vegan ” Wonder Burger” will be available from ALDI. Following our report last week that Europe’s largest producer of pork is to cease the slaughter of pigs in its German facility and branch out into plantbased meat, we can now reveal that, as a sign of the times, the producers of the Aldi and Lidl vegan burgers come from Germany’s most intensive area of animal agriculture.

By switching to vegan burgers and reducing the cow herds, they will more than make up for the car exhaust fiasco.

https://vegconomist.com/food-and-beverage/sign-of-the-changing-times-we-reveal-who-produces-the-vegan-burgers-for-lidl-and-aldi/

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

The German emission is now old news.

Indeed. But what's new is (or is it?):
EPA Aims To Roll Back Limits On Methane Emissions From Oil And Gas Industry
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/29/755394353/epa-aims-to-roll-back-limits-on-methane-emissions-from-oil-and-gas-industry

By switching to vegan burgers and reducing the cow herds, they will more than make up for the car exhaust fiasco.

Yes, that can over time make a big difference, and I'm told that the quality of some of these meat replacements is quite good. It's also good news from the perspective of animal welfare. With Lidl and Aldi embracing it, the prices will come down faster due to larger volumes being produced more efficiently.

Cheers,
Bart

[Alan Klein]

I can just see the new slogan:
"Eat Vegan burgers.  Be healthy and change the weather."

[LesPalenik]

I can just see the new slogan:
"Eat Vegan burgers.  Be healthy and change the weather."

For most effective way, it's best to eat plant-based food directly and skip the processed variety.

[Alan Klein]

I can just see the new slogan:
"Eat Vegan burgers.  Be healthy and change the weather."

I found the company that could use my slogan.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/02/beyond-meat-uses-climate-change-to-market-fake-meat-substitutes-scientists-are-cautious.html

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I can just see the new slogan:
"Eat Vegan burgers.  Be healthy and change the weather."

Found this somewhere on the Internet:

“One survey found that vegans are viewed more negatively than atheists and immigrants, and are only slightly more tolerated than drug addicts…”

 

[LesPalenik]

Found this somewhere on the Internet:

“One survey found that vegans are viewed more negatively than atheists and immigrants, and are only slightly more tolerated than drug addicts…”

 

I always thought that the McDonalds patrons were viewed negatively.
Well, based on that survey, the life would be tough to handle for a non-religious, plant-eating immigrant.

[Alan Klein]

Interesting article on upping the ante using sunlight for cleaner air.  The article also mentions they expect population of the world to go up to 10 billion from 7.5 now with an increase in energy requirements from 17 terrawatts to 30. 
"Extracting clean fuel from sunlight"
https://phys.org/news/2019-09-fuel-sunlight.html

[LesPalenik]

Found this somewhere on the Internet:

“One survey found that vegans are viewed more negatively than atheists and immigrants, and are only slightly more tolerated than drug addicts…”

 

Today, I found this on Internet:

A revolutionary new documentary about meat, protein, and strength by Arnold Schwarzenegger, a vocal environmental advocate. Schwarzenegger is an executive producer for documentary Game Changers, which chronicles the rise in plant-based diets in the athletic world. In the past, Schwarzenegger has stressed the importance of cutting down on meat to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Game Changers, set for release in September, will “terminate outdated myths about protein, strength, and performance”

Movie trailer
https://gamechangersmovie.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4dKq2ou25AIVV8DICh3gTA7YEAAYASAAEgJtFPD_BwE

[Alan Klein]

While this has to do with Dorian, I wanted to post it here.  It shows how photographers and media distort things to satisfy their political agenda.  Reminds me of the photo of the polar bear on the ice with the caption how the bear is going to die from starvation. 
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abaco-bahamas-hurricane-dorian/

[LesPalenik]

While this has to do with Dorian, I wanted to post it here.  It shows how photographers and media distort things to satisfy their political agenda.  Reminds me of the photo of the polar bear on the ice with the caption how the bear is going to die from starvation. 
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abaco-bahamas-hurricane-dorian/

You wonder if those posters are really so dumb or just impatient and desperate to get their name on the social media, so they would grab quickly any comparable picture. Unfortunately, there were other similar instances in the past, and no doubt, they will be more in the future.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

While this has to do with Dorian, I wanted to post it here.  It shows how photographers and media distort things to satisfy their political agenda.  Reminds me of the photo of the polar bear on the ice with the caption how the bear is going to die from starvation.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/abaco-bahamas-hurricane-dorian/

Fully on topic. Facebook et al are not a reliable source of information. How hard can it be?

That's why it is important to follow news back to its source, e.g. scientific publications or use trustworthy sources.

[Alan Klein]

Fully on topic. Facebook et al are not a reliable source of information. How hard can it be?

That's why it is important to follow news back to its source, e.g. scientific publications or use trustworthy sources.

I think it's too much to expect laymen to read scientific journals to get their news.  Most people refer to popular publications which I agree are unfortunately not trustworthy sources .  I think they should read our forums for the truth.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I think it's too much to expect laymen to read scientific journals to get their news.  Most people refer to popular publications which I agree are unfortunately not trustworthy sources .  I think they should read our forums for the truth.

Some of the posts anyway 

[Alan Klein]

You wonder if those posters are really so dumb or just impatient and desperate to get their name on the social media, so they would grab quickly any comparable picture. Unfortunately, there were other similar instances in the past, and no doubt, they will be more in the future.

We just had the phony pictures of the Amazon burning, many of them either not from the Amazon or taken a decade earlier and posited as current.  Add phoney Dorian shots and pretty soon those polar bear shots also are suspect.  So people become climate and Amazon fire sceptics.  How many people decide not to evacuate before the next storm because in their head they remember that there's was something "phoney" about the reporting, maybe overhyped?

Getting back to photography, I wonder if it's more acceptable to distort news due to Photoshop?  It seems so natural to replace elements of the real picture with phoney stuff.  More importantly, since everyone doing it, what's the big deal from a moral standpoint if it's done by photojournalists to project a political point they believe in or just for the notoriety?   

[Alan Klein]

Some of the posts anyway 

Ah, that's the rub.  Who's posts?  What popular publications?  Even which scientific journals?  How does anyone sort through this stuff?  Ever go to a second doctor to get a second opinion?  So who's right?  Who do you believe? 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I think it's too much to expect laymen to read scientific journals to get their news.  Most people refer to popular publications which I agree are unfortunately not trustworthy sources .  I think they should read our forums for the truth.