How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Ah, the threat of sea-level rising. Horrible!

Tell us more, what's the altitude above sea level?

[LesPalenik]

In case you hadn't heard, but America leads the world in pollution control.  We've banned DDT and eliminated refrigerants that affect the ozone layer.  Our regulations regarding car pollution has led the world and forced auto companies around the world to comply with our higher standards.  Well, except for your neighbors, German auto manufacturers who use diesel engines.  They're still cheating.

Never mind the diesels. In Europe people don't drive as many SUVs as in America, and hardly any trucks. Diesel powered sedans are not as bad as big SUVs and the macho trucks with the gasoline engines. And half as bad as the cows.

Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car, or the plane: it is the cow.

A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.html

[Alan Klein]

Never mind the diesels. In Europe people don't drive as many SUVs as in America, and hardly any trucks. Diesel powered sedans are not as bad as big SUVs and the macho trucks with the gasoline engines. And half as bad as the cows.

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.html

German automobile diesel engines that were illegally altered were polluting 50 times the legal limit for pollutants.    They were doing that for ten years while American cars were polluting less and less.  In any case, Europeans don;t need to drive as far or as much as Americans and Canadians.  We have big stretches to go in suburbia and especially out west for anyone one has driven through our national parks.  A lot of land.  I wonder if we're doing better than this guy?
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-zebu-cattle-bos-taurus-indicus-pulling-carts-northwest-madagascar-128724543.html

[Alan Klein]

Tell us more, what's the altitude above sea level?

It doesn't matter because Obama walks on water.  Didn't you know?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

It doesn't matter because Obama walks on water.  Didn't you know?

🤣🤣🤣

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

It doesn't matter because Obama walks on water.  Didn't you know?

It does matter, because he can still sell his property long before the water level there becomes a problem, assuming it's high enough (hence my question). He will probably not be around when that happens, and maybe the next owner will not be around either. Around that time, it becomes a bad investment, not before.
 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

It does matter, because he can still sell his property long before the water level there becomes a problem, assuming it's high enough (hence my question). He will probably not be around when that happens, and maybe the next owner will not be around either. Around that time, it becomes a bad investment, not before.

So you agree with the me that we are talking about 100-200 years from now? 

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

So you agree with the me that we are talking about 100-200 years from now?

Could be, depending on the altitude above sea-level now, hence my question ...

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Could be, depending on the altitude above sea-level now, hence my question ...

I posted a photograph... easy to see.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I posted a photograph... easy to see.

Then it would be easy for you to answer your own question. I'm not familiar with the surroundings.

[Alan Klein]

The Amazon Fires story was all wrong and media hype by the NY Times and other so-called newspapers of record.  Combined with Hollywood types and others pushing the climate change story.  It's this kind of yellow journalism that adds to the skepticism of critical thinkers.  How does the public separate the political hype from the truth?
"Forget The Amazon Hype, Fires Globally Have Declined 25% Since 2003 Thanks To Economic Growth"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/08/30/forget-the-hype-forest-fires-have-declined-25-since-2003-thanks-to-economic-growth/#5d42b0d1163d

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

The Amazon Fires story was all wrong and media hype by the NY Times and other so-called newspapers of record.

What do you mean "all wrong"? The fires were/are there, and the year is not over yet. So unless called to a halt early, they could break the trend of declining fires. Especially the position of the Brasilian government (enforcing the law that prohibits illegal burning) has changed recently, and that made an escalation more likely.

Another thing, one cannot compare just the number of fires and reach a meaningful conclusion about the damage to ecosystems and the atmosphere. One needs to also take into account what is burning. African savannah wildland and forests are markedly different than Amazonian wet forests, and Siberian Tundras are different from both others mentioned. The loss of animal and human life also differs between places, as does the possibility of recovery.

Cheers,
Bart

[Alan Klein]

What do you mean "all wrong"? The fires were/are there, and the year is not over yet. So unless called to a halt early, they could break the trend of declining fires. Especially the position of the Brasilian government (enforcing the law that prohibits illegal burning) has changed recently, and that made an escalation more likely.

Another thing, one cannot compare just the number of fires and reach a meaningful conclusion about the damage to ecosystems and the atmosphere. One needs to also take into account what is burning. African savannah wildland and forests are markedly different than Amazonian wet forests, and Siberian Tundras are different from both others mentioned. The loss of animal and human life also differs between places, as does the possibility of recovery.

Cheers,
Bart

The story was hyped.  More fake news.

[kers]

The story was hyped.  More fake news.

...says our trusted source

[LesPalenik]

The Amazon Fires story was all wrong and media hype by the NY Times and other so-called newspapers of record.  Combined with Hollywood types and others pushing the climate change story.  It's this kind of yellow journalism that adds to the skepticism of critical thinkers.  How does the public separate the political hype from the truth?
"Forget The Amazon Hype, Fires Globally Have Declined 25% Since 2003 Thanks To Economic Growth"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/08/30/forget-the-hype-forest-fires-have-declined-25-since-2003-thanks-to-economic-growth/#5d42b0d1163d

I guess it's always possible to find some contradicting articles. Recently, I read about some new UFO sightings.
As to the increase/decrease of the Amazon fires, here is an opening statement from Wikipedia:

The 2019 Amazon rainforest wildfires season saw an unusual surge in the number of fires occurring in the Amazon rainforest and other parts of the Amazon biome contained within the countries of Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Peru during the 2019 Amazonian tropical dry season.

The increased rates were first reported by Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais, INPE) in June and July 2019 through satellite monitoring systems, but international attention was drawn to the situation by August 2019 when NASA corroborated INPE's findings, and smoke from the fires, visible from satellite imagery, darkened the city of São Paulo despite being thousands of kilometers from the Amazon. As of August 29, 2019, INPE reported more than 80,000 fires across all of Brazil, a 77% year-to-year increase for the same tracking period, with more than 40,000 in the Brazil's Legal Amazon (Amazônia Legal or BLA), which contains 60% of the Amazon. Similar year-to-year increases in fires were subsequently reported in Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru, with 2019 fire counts within each nation of over 19,000, 11,000 and 6,700, respectively, as of August 29, 2019.[3] It is estimated that over 906 thousand hectares (2.24×106 acres; 9,060 km2; 3,500 sq mi) of forest within the Amazon biome has been lost to fires in 2019. In addition to the impact on global climate, the fires created environmental concerns from the excess carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide within the fires' emissions, potential impacts on the biodiversity of the Amazon, and threats to indigenous tribes that live within the forest.

Some fires are unavoidable, but if half of the burned forest was caused by man, that's 450,000 hectares intentional loss of unique and essential environment - just in 2019. Can't be good for the mankind now and for the future generations.
 

[Alan Klein]

I guess it's always possible to find some contradicting articles. Recently, I read about some new UFO sightings.
As to the increase/decrease of the Amazon fires, here is an opening statement from Wikipedia:

Some fires are unavoidable, but if half of the burned forest was caused by man, that's 450,000 hectares intentional loss of unique and essential environment - just in 2019. Can't be good for the mankind now and for the future generations.
 

Your post quoted that "3,500 sq mi of forest within the Amazon biome has been lost to fires in 2019. "  The Amazon has over 2 million square miles so the burning only represents less than 1/2 of one percent of the entire Amazon.  The yellow journalism articles  made it seems that they whole Amazon was burning down; that the lungs of the Earth were being destroyed.  That's hyperbole and yellow journalism.  Frankly, it was plain untruthfulness. 

Regarding Wikipedia, I also use it often because it gives an air of truthfulness about it.  But the fact is there's no peer review.   Anyone can update Wiki articles and there is a concerted effort to make sure that whatever goes in there supports climate change.  There things are being written by climate change supporters looking to advance public acceptance of it.  So we have to read Wiki with a grain of salt.  PS: I gave up believing in UFOs when I was a teenager and I haven't been abducted since then. 

[LesPalenik]

Either way, Brazilians started way too many fires.

[Alan Klein]

Either way, Brazilians started way too many fires.

Your quote printed here from Wiki didn;t say anything about Brazilians starting fires.  Yes, I know there were man started fires.  But reading the quote doesn;t explain how much was man made or natural.  Did the wiki article give those specifics?  Also, post the article's link for reference so we can read the whole thing.

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The 2019 Amazon rainforest wildfires season saw an unusual surge in the number of fires occurring in the Amazon rainforest and other parts of the Amazon biome contained within the countries of Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Peru during the 2019 Amazonian tropical dry season.

The increased rates were first reported by Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais, INPE) in June and July 2019 through satellite monitoring systems, but international attention was drawn to the situation by August 2019 when NASA corroborated INPE's findings, and smoke from the fires, visible from satellite imagery, darkened the city of São Paulo despite being thousands of kilometers from the Amazon. As of August 29, 2019, INPE reported more than 80,000 fires across all of Brazil, a 77% year-to-year increase for the same tracking period, with more than 40,000 in the Brazil's Legal Amazon (Amazônia Legal or BLA), which contains 60% of the Amazon. Similar year-to-year increases in fires were subsequently reported in Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru, with 2019 fire counts within each nation of over 19,000, 11,000 and 6,700, respectively, as of August 29, 2019.[3] It is estimated that over 906 thousand hectares (2.24×106 acres; 9,060 km2; 3,500 sq mi) of forest within the Amazon biome has been lost to fires in 2019. In addition to the impact on global climate, the fires created environmental concerns from the excess carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide within the fires' emissions, potential impacts on the biodiversity of the Amazon, and threats to indigenous tribes that live within the forest.

[Alan Klein]

That's it.  To save the Amazon and the World, I'm moving into a cave.

"It’s Not Just Fires. Your Phone Is Also Destroying The Amazon."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/gold-mining-amazon-rainforest

[LesPalenik]

Your quote printed here from Wiki didn;t say anything about Brazilians starting fires.  Yes, I know there were man started fires.  But reading the quote doesn;t explain how much was man made or natural.  Did the wiki article give those specifics?  Also, post the article's link for reference so we can read the whole thing.

Could be Russians.