Topic: American Friends and Allies (Read 7231 times)

Alan Klein · « **on:** July 12, 2019, 03:37:47 pm »

I thought I'd start a separate political topic that doesn;t seem to fit ongoing ones.

So I'll start off with this issue of how Russian missile sales will affect NATO relationships with Turkey? What will happen to NATO? Do European NATO countries care?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/world/europe/turkey-russia-missiles.html
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LesPalenik · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2019, 03:47:51 pm »

I think, all of us are wondering about the next move.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2019, 03:48:38 pm »

What should NATO do?

faberryman · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2019, 04:13:53 pm »

The question is whose missiles they anticipate shooting down with their new missile defense system.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2019, 04:37:39 pm »

Quote from: faberryman on July 12, 2019, 04:13:53 pm

The question is whose missiles they anticipate shooting down with their new missile defense system.

Who's would they shoot down with the American Patriot system they wanted to buy? Who do European NATO countries expect to shoot down with their missile defense systems?

BobShaw · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2019, 10:45:33 pm »

A better system at half the price apparently.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-starts-taking-delivery-of-russian-air-defense-missile-system-risking-u-s-sanctions-and-testing-its-position-in-nato-11562920372

Robert Roaldi · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2019, 10:48:36 pm »

Did something happen while I wasn't watching? Do missile defence systems work now?

Ivo_B · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2019, 06:42:02 am »

Quote from: Alan Klein on July 12, 2019, 03:48:38 pm

What should NATO do?

Nuke them all, g*ddamnit!

I hope we will get out under the US suppression and we soon can vote Poetin as president.

If not, Europe will be fully Islamized in a few generations time, thanks to the, by US supported, Saudis.

That’s a demographic fact.

😳😳🤫

Rob C · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2019, 06:54:50 am »

Quote from: Ivo_B on July 13, 2019, 06:42:02 am

Nuke them all, g*ddamnit!
I hope we will get out under the US suppression and we soon can vote Poetin as president.

If not, Europe will be fully Islamized in a few generations time. That’s a demographic fact.

I agree about the religious complexion of Europe, but why do you think Mr P has any answers? He has enough of them in his own backyard, and they fight just like the rest. Guns can't silence religion; never have. And when the religion owns the guns...

Maybe the NRA has foresight (groan) too, after all.

Rob

petermfiore · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2019, 06:59:44 am »

Quote from: Rob C on July 13, 2019, 06:54:50 am

I agree about the religious complexion of Europe, but why do you think Mr P has any answers? He has enough of them in his own backyard, and they fight just like the rest. Guns can't silence religion; never have. And when the religion owns the guns...

Maybe the NRA has foresight (groan) too, after all.

Rob

These are the questions that make for a difficult night's sleep...

Peter

Ivo_B · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2019, 07:00:12 am »

Quote from: Rob C on July 13, 2019, 06:54:50 am

I agree about the religious complexion of Europe, but why do you think Mr P has any answers? He has enough of them in his own backyard, and they fight just like the rest. Guns can't silence religion; never have. And when the religion owns the guns...

Maybe the NRA has foresight (groan) too, after all.

Rob

Saudis provide them by demand.

Ivo_B · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2019, 07:05:30 am »

Quote from: Rob C on July 13, 2019, 06:54:50 am

I agree about the religious complexion of Europe, but why do you think Mr P has any answers? He has enough of them in his own backyard, and they fight just like the rest. Guns can't silence religion; never have. And when the religion owns the guns...

Maybe the NRA has foresight (groan) too, after all.

Rob

He doesn’t, but I like his merchandise.

kers · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2019, 07:05:58 am »

Now if Turkey buys some Chinese weapons they are clearly in the middle of everything...
Poor Turkish soldier that has to learn all these languages and weaponsystems that do not communicate with one another.
These weapons could then be used in exercises shooting at each other... destruction of weapons without casualties!

everybody happy

Bart_van_der_Wolf · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2019, 08:10:27 am »

Quote from: Robert Roaldi on July 12, 2019, 10:48:36 pm

Did something happen while I wasn't watching? Do missile defence systems work now?

As a deterrence or in action?

Cheers,
Bart

Bart_van_der_Wolf · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2019, 08:14:56 am »

Quote from: Ivo_B on July 13, 2019, 07:05:30 am

He doesn’t, but I like his merchandise.

Indeed. The thought of a barechested Trump on an elephant is un"bear"able.

Cheers,
Bart

Alan Klein · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2019, 09:11:53 am »

Quote from: Bart_van_der_Wolf on July 13, 2019, 08:14:56 am

Indeed. The thought of a barechested Trump on an elephant is un"bear"able.

Cheers,
Bart

I doubt you'll ever see Trump at work without his suit and tie. He's a traditional businessman and dresses like it. I can't stand "modern" politicians who get on TV without a tie. Just a loose collar and trying to be "one of the boys". They just look sloppy and disrespectful of their position. You want to lead? Dress like it.

Ivo_B · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2019, 09:19:56 am »

Quote from: Alan Klein on July 13, 2019, 09:11:53 am

I doubt you'll ever see Trump at work without his suit and tie. He's a traditional businessman and dresses like it. I can't stand "modern" politicians who get on TV without a tie. Just a loose collar and trying to be "one of the boys". They just look sloppy and disrespectful of their position. You want to lead? Dress like it.

Don’t mix up leadership and being the boss ....

RSL · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2019, 09:27:09 am »

Quote from: Ivo_B on July 13, 2019, 09:19:56 am

Don’t mix up leadership and being the boss ....

Right on, Ivo! It's amazing how many people don't understand the difference. I could give some pretty hairy examples of the difference from my 27 years in the military, but I won't.

Alan Klein · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2019, 09:42:42 am »

Quote from: Ivo_B on July 13, 2019, 09:19:56 am

Don’t mix up leadership and being the boss ....

A leader takes responsibility for his actions and results especially when things go bad. I'm sure we all had bosses like that, who liked to throw their weight around and then blame others when the s4!t hits the fan. One thing likeable about Trump is he's a stand up guy. He sticks his neck out. He tells you like it is. He doesn;t sugar coat. Like his meetings with Kim. Or his tariffs. He's willing to tell natural allies to stand by the side. He's got work to do. Obama blamed Bush the former president during both his terms of screwing things up and causing problems with his presidency. He never realized that an executive's responsibility is to change the things that aren't working well. If you don't want to fix things or you want everyone to like you, don;t take the job.

Rob C · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2019, 09:51:04 am »

Quote from: Alan Klein on July 13, 2019, 09:11:53 am

I doubt you'll ever see Trump at work without his suit and tie. He's a traditional businessman and dresses like it. I can't stand "modern" politicians who get on TV without a tie. Just a loose collar and trying to be "one of the boys". They just look sloppy and disrespectful of their position. You want to lead? Dress like it.

We have a 100% convergence of views on this one: congratulations to both of us!

;-)

Rob

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