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Frans Waterlander

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1020 on: November 09, 2019, 01:20:45 am »

Right at the beginning of the article: "Climate change is making winters colder despite rising temperatures and hotter summers." You got to love the radical climate alarmists!
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Rob C

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« Reply #1021 on: November 09, 2019, 04:58:36 am »

Right at the beginning of the article: "Climate change is making winters colder despite rising temperatures and hotter summers." You got to love the radical climate alarmists!

You haven't thought it through.

As polar ice melts, the colder waters from there spread across the world's oceans. So, starved of sea-stored heat due to the influx of colder water, for a while, the winter on land becomes colder too. (You can see this effect of sea heating on continents by looking at the effect of the various currents on land masses, with coasts warmer than deeply inland areas during winters:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=7YvGXdftL_LKgwf717OABw&q=sea+currents+warming+land&oq=sea+currents+warming+land&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160l2.10370.16316..18136...0.0..0.90.1742.25......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0j0i10j0i22i30j0i333j0i8i13i30j33i22i29i30.3fnH7c9Oqpg&ved=0ahUKEwiXmJSl7dzlAhVy5eAKHfvrDHAQ4dUDCAY&uact=5  )

However, summer radiation is not affected - the Sun pumps out as usual - and so despite what's happening to the seas, the earth mass heats up, and this heating effect is greater because the reflective (and cooling) value of the ice is lessened as it changes from white ice into dark sea and from being a reflector, turns into an absorber of heat.

The longer this continues and the less ice there is to reflect sunlight, the momentum changes from an initial cooling of ocean waters due to the original inflow of melted ice, into a gradual heating, as that colder water is no longer produced as the ice will have lessened until vanished completely.

Once that happens, enjoy the fish-fry.
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Bart_van_der_Wolf

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1022 on: November 09, 2019, 05:43:47 am »

Next week's Arctic blast will be so cold, forecasters expect it to break 170 records across US
https://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/08/weather-arctic-blast-next-week-midwest-east-south-cold-temperatures/2518984001/

Get used to weather extremes, this is just the beginning.

And at the same time:
Australia bushfires: Record number of emergencies in New South Wales
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50341207

So on average, things are fine and dandy, or are they?
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1023 on: November 09, 2019, 09:29:23 am »

Get used to weather extremes, this is just the beginning.

Sure! Isn't that true! We've never had such extreme weather events in the past. Throughout all the past civilizations of mankind, the climate has always been benign, until the industrial revolution took place and we started emitting CO2. Right?  ;D
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1024 on: November 09, 2019, 09:40:48 am »

Right at the beginning of the article: "Climate change is making winters colder despite rising temperatures and hotter summers." You got to love the radical climate alarmists!
Up is down; down is up.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1025 on: November 09, 2019, 09:57:39 am »

Sure! Isn't that true! We've never had such extreme weather events in the past.

Global temperatures are rising at an unprecedented rate, and this time it's caused by human activity (burning of fossil fuel and landuse are the main contributors).


https://www.noaa.gov/news/summer-2019-was-hottest-on-record-for-northern-hemisphere

This is causing a shift in weatherpatterns and more frequent droughts and floods. Food security is at risk.
The most used foodsource in the world, rice, is showing increasing levels of arsenic and lower yields which will negatively affect the poorest populations the most.

The frequency of extreme weather events is also increasing.

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« Reply #1026 on: November 09, 2019, 10:04:07 am »

Well, at least this chart is prettier than your other chart.  :)  Do the colors mean anything or are they just patriotic because NASA is American?

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1027 on: November 09, 2019, 10:08:17 am »

PS:  What do the numbers mean on the X and Y axis?  Why did NASA leave off the descriptors? 

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1028 on: November 09, 2019, 10:14:19 am »

Sure! Isn't that true! We've never had such extreme weather events in the past. Throughout all the past civilizations of mankind, the climate has always been benign, until the industrial revolution took place and we started emitting CO2. Right?  ;D

Ray, were it that normal in the past, no vegetation-dependent wildlife would have survived because left unchecked by man, the fires would have spread everywhere there was vegetation to burn. Maybe some ants, snakes, lizards and other hole-entering creatures could have survived, but even then, you can cook by placing a chicken in a hole and lighting a fire above it. Your nationally symbolic creatures would have sizzled in their holes, barbecued on branches and charred in the meadows.

Sure, settlers probably brought their own dogs now and again, but that would have been much later in history. Camels yes, but I'm sure they didn't think to ship in spare kangaroos and koalas from somewhere, let along eucalyptus trees.



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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1029 on: November 09, 2019, 10:29:05 am »

The solution is simple: we shall wear no clothes, eat no meat, fly no planes, have no children, and the humanity will be saved!

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1030 on: November 09, 2019, 10:57:50 am »

PS:  What do the numbers mean on the X and Y axis?  Why did NASA leave off the descriptors?

Just read the article I linked to, if you are really interested.

and this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heat_waves#/media/File:Shifting_Distribution_of_Summer_Temperature_Anomalies2.png
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1031 on: November 09, 2019, 11:01:09 am »

The solution is simple: we shall wear no clothes, eat no meat, fly no planes, have no children, and the humanity will be saved!

That displays a serious lack of creativity. Surely you can do better ? :-\
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« Reply #1032 on: November 09, 2019, 11:01:44 am »

The solution is simple: we shall wear no clothes, eat no meat, fly no planes, have no children, and the humanity will be saved!
Or we could do something simpler, like cut back on fossil fuels and use renewables in their place.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1033 on: November 09, 2019, 11:16:04 am »

Or we could do something simpler, like cut back on fossil fuels and use renewables in their place.

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« Reply #1034 on: November 09, 2019, 11:19:53 am »

And just for the beauty of it:


Best viewed fullscreen.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1035 on: November 09, 2019, 11:41:25 am »

Just read the article I linked to, if you are really interested.

and this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heat_waves
You didn't answer my question. I asked a simple question what do the numbers mean on the x-axis and what do the numbers mean on the y-axis?
You posted a phony chart that has no meaning. It's your job to correct it not mine. 

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1036 on: November 09, 2019, 11:45:18 am »

You didn't answer my question. I asked a simple question what do the numbers mean on the x-axis and what do the numbers mean on the y-axis?
You posted a phony chart that has no meaning. It's your job to correct it not mine.

yawn  :(
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1037 on: November 09, 2019, 12:06:38 pm »

You didn't answer my question. I asked a simple question what do the numbers mean on the x-axis and what do the numbers mean on the y-axis?
You posted a phony chart that has no meaning. It's your job to correct it not mine.
Don't be so lazy. Read the article and find out for yourself. If you are really interested. Which you're not.
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« Reply #1038 on: November 09, 2019, 12:14:27 pm »

Don't be so lazy. Read the article and find out for yourself. If you are really interested. Which you're not.
So what do the chart numbers mean since you read the article?  The issue here is that phony data is always being presented.  No one explains what you're looking at.  So why should people believe what you;re presenting if the chart is meaningless as posted?  You're trying to convince me.  It's your job not my job to go on a wild goose chase to track down information and read a science report.   

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« Reply #1039 on: November 09, 2019, 12:21:56 pm »

Or we could do something simpler, like cut back on fossil fuels and use renewables in their place.

 ;D

Good luck with that.

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