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Simmons

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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2019, 04:49:53 am »

I was thinking of upgrading to the new Canon also if I needed to until I found out how they downgraded the longevity of this new Lucia Pro inkset.

Same story.

Is there any (good) news about it?
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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2019, 02:07:58 pm »

I have been using the Hahnemuhle Protective uv spray for over 10 years and before that the Premiere Art version. I believe Hah. bought Premiere or something along those lines. More recently I’ve also used the Moab Desert Varnish which could be the same exact product but in cans with a little better nozzle.

I’ve done many thousands of prints of. All sizes and I don’t remember ever messing one up. But I don’t spray rc prints. If you are going to do that they should be cured for about a week in my opinion to thoroughly out gas.

Do you spray the prints lying flat or hanging vertically?
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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2019, 10:19:09 pm »


Flat


Do you spray the prints lying flat or hanging vertically?
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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2019, 10:36:10 pm »

Do you spray the prints lying flat or hanging vertically?

I spray with print located on easel or wall vertical or near vertical. Less probability of dirt/dust particles in the air landing on the coating while it's in a wet state. If you have a clean room then flat or vertical probably doesn't matter, but I don't have a super clean room to spray my prints, so vertical works best, actually really well, IMHO.

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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2019, 09:22:04 am »

I spray with print located on easel or wall vertical or near vertical. Less probability of dirt/dust particles in the air landing on the coating while it's in a wet state. If you have a clean room then flat or vertical probably doesn't matter, but I don't have a super clean room to spray my prints, so vertical works best, actually really well, IMHO.

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Mark
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Good point about dust. I would just be worried about putting on too much spray and getting runs.
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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2019, 11:14:27 am »

So it appears that you guys achieve equally good results spraying vertically and horizontally?  I have a 40x40" square print that is going in a show that I am planning on printing on Canson Baryta and I want to display it in a shadow box frame unglazed.  If it weren't for sale I wouldn't bother trying to protect it but I feel as if I owe it to the purchaser to provide the best protection I can.
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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2019, 11:28:18 am »

So it appears that you guys achieve equally good results spraying vertically and horizontally?  I have a 40x40" square print that is going in a show that I am planning on printing on Canson Baryta and I want to display it in a shadow box frame unglazed.  If it weren't for sale I wouldn't bother trying to protect it but I feel as if I owe it to the purchaser to provide the best protection I can.
Use three light coats of varnish type spray which will help make it water resistant. Then if you're really wanting extra protection you can also coat it with a water based coating like Eco Print Shield (if you're using a roller applied method) or BC's Timeless (for HVLP only--it dries too fast for the roller method) on top of the varnish spray (don't apply a water based coating on an unprotected paper print as it will cause the ink to lift and the paper to warp).
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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2019, 12:17:12 pm »

At this size I would definitely mount the print vertically on a wall before spraying. Just go light and even, don't pause as you spray of course, and all will be ok. Personally I prefer buffing a few coats of Renaissance Wax after applying the first few coats of lacquer spray (Premier Art usually) but to obtain the best results you should use a lambs wool buffing pad attached to a polisher or random orbit sander which is considerably more effective. While I've also followed up with various aqueous coatings after the lacquer spray at least to me the wax method looks much better. FWIW, I don't prefer and never have sprayed horizontally but have by now sprayed thousands of canvas and paper prints. Unless its small I just think you're asking for trouble to spray a print laying down horizontally.

Good luck.

So it appears that you guys achieve equally good results spraying vertically and horizontally?  I have a 40x40" square print that is going in a show that I am planning on printing on Canson Baryta and I want to display it in a shadow box frame unglazed.  If it weren't for sale I wouldn't bother trying to protect it but I feel as if I owe it to the purchaser to provide the best protection I can.

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Re: Canon 4000 sale, should I replace my iPF8300
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2019, 02:42:57 pm »

Yea well I’ve been coating prints with the aerosol uv sprays every week for about 18 years and they have all been flat on a table. Three light coats. I’ve never ruined a print that I can remember. I rotate the print in three directions.

If you ever have spray running or blotching you are trying to lay down too much in one coat or the can is too far away from the print. It should be done in a wave motion. Just follow instructions on the can.

Now water based varnishes and hplv units are a different animal. I either use my Fuji sprayer with canvas push-pinned to a vertical surface or on an inclined angle.

The main thing in all this coating is don’t try to do it in one or two thick coats, then it could run or go blotchy.

John


At this size I would definitely mount the print vertically on a wall before spraying. Just go light and even, don't pause as you spray of course, and all will be ok. Personally I prefer buffing a few coats of Renaissance Wax after applying the first few coats of lacquer spray (Premier Art usually) but to obtain the best results you should use a lambs wool buffing pad attached to a polisher or random orbit sander which is considerably more effective. While I've also followed up with various aqueous coatings after the lacquer spray at least to me the wax method looks much better. FWIW, I don't prefer and never have sprayed horizontally but have by now sprayed thousands of canvas and paper prints. Unless its small I just think you're asking for trouble to spray a print laying down horizontally.

Good luck.
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