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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2019, 10:59:43 am »

James, it seems you think everything's a mystery. There's nothing really mysterious about the decline into Hell in Venezuela, for instance. You just have to understand how Socialism works. Obviously, to you it's another mystery.
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2019, 11:29:15 am »

It's been rather interesting reading the follow ups, and it appears there is only two real choices for the Dems, Joe Biden and everyone else.  I cant see either option working out for the Dems, but give a higher chance for Joe. 

The two main issues the Dems have with Trump is the economy is booming (and 71% of Americans think so) and Trump, for all intents and purposes, is a centrist.  Now most of his policies are center right, but quite a few are center left, and with all of them, he is on the popular side.  If you don't believe me, just look at the polling.  Running against both of these is going to be hard. 

In the case of Joe Biden, most think he is electable since he too is a centrist.  For anyone else, I may agree.  However, if Biden wins, he is going to limp across the finish line damaged goods.  The progressives are hitting him so hard that what happened to Hillary, namely the progressives abandoned her, is going to happen to Biden.  Not to mention he is a walking talking gaffe machine.  Sure, Trump says some pretty wacky stuff, but so does Joe.  He has been playing it safe right now, limiting off the cuff press interactions, but eventually he is going to have to interact more.  This is going to produce a ton of gaffes that the Rubs will take full advantage of.  Not to mention, his stance on China the majority of the country disagrees with and he was part of an administration that over saw the most anemic recover in decades. 

Insofar as everyone else, they have moved so far to the left they are un-relatable to the general electorate, just like Romney predicted after Trump won.  Look at their policies.  Open borders, yes I know he said decriminalizing illegal border crossings, but that is essentially the same thing and impossible to argue against.  Outlawing all private health coverage while implementing a single payer system.  I do have to hand it to Bernie though; he's the only one who is being somewhat honest about how taxes will go up for everyone, even saying "people in this country would be delighted to pay more in taxes ..."  Everyone else has been mum on this.  Late-term abortions, I may be pro-choice, but the majority of the country is against late-term abortions.  Many have double downed on slavery repatriations, which is incredibly unpopular.  These are all policies that the majority of the country are against, emphatically, especially in the swing-states who really decide the election. 

Now before anyone brings up polling, all polls for president right now are meaningless.  Most Americans really don't fully understand the policy positions of the Dems, and when those policies start hitting home, those polls are going to change.  On top of that, all of the polls that show a 10 point gap between Trump and a hypothetical Dem are of the general public, not the general electorate.  If you look at all of the polls and go beyond that main figure, the numbers only show an 2 point average difference for registered voters for the same question.  On top of this, we all know it is the electoral college that matters, not a popular vote.  None of the polls are quantifying this in the polling, and they more then likely will not since it would make the polling much more complex and costly.  It is also too early to start state by state polling, so we don't really know how the swing states are feeling. 

If you still disagree with me, look at the recent news ratings.  Fox News has been consistently the top rated national news channel by a fair amount.  Tucker Carlson has been consistently the top rated national news show by a fair amount.  This should give you an idea of where the pendulum is current swinging. 

Joe, A lot can happen before the election.  War, recession, etc.  Also, the Democrat nominee will move to the center on issues for the general election.  Americans won't remember what was said during the debates or care if they do.  Also, as James mentioned, liberal cable news is split.  And the main media arteries, the NY Times, Washington Post, ABC, NBC and CBS still control the airways with their liberal bias and anti-Trump rhetoric. Add Facebook, Twitter, Google, and all the other tech news outlets trending liberal; well you get my point.  Fox is only one small outlet compared to the rest on the other side.   

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2019, 11:31:09 am »

Not correct.  Fox has been the top rated *cable* news network, but that's nothing new.  Fox concentrates certain viewers, the likes of MSNBC and CNN and others split the "other side," and the cable news channels in general are dwarfed by the legacy broadcast news shows -(ABC's world news gets something like 7 million viewers, and that's just one major network) they just don't get the attention because they're not oriented toward being outrageous.

Also, Maddow runs relatively even with Hannity and Tucker, give or take.

Still, the rating do give you an idea of where the pendulum is right now, and it is not really on the left.  I guess I should have also clarified cable news too. 

I'm just looking at this from an analytical point of view.  Biden is going to be beat up by the progressives; maybe not beaten but ultimately damaged.  All other Dems running are in favor of multiple policies of which the majority of the country, poll after poll, reject.  If anyone but Biden wins, Trump is reelected.  If Biden wins, maybe he will be the next president.  But right now my money would be on Trump since Biden has some serious problems, like the tendency to self-destruct with gaffes and being out of touch with the swing states when it comes to China. 
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2019, 11:32:50 am »

Jeremy.  I never intended for my words to hurt you or anyone else.   I thought I said that everyone can live morally, whether conservative, liberal, believer, agnostic or atheist.  I should have chosen my words more carefully.  For that I'm sorry.  Please accept my apologies.  Alan.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2019, 01:36:57 pm »

Russ, the democratic field could be Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, and the platform could be guaranteed eternal life and harmony for all mankind, and you'd still be a Trump guy, all the while complaining that Jesus wants to raise taxes to help the undeserving, Joseph overstayed his visa, and Mary was just trying to have an anchor baby.   ;D

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Slight correction: Jesús (pronounced as "hay-SOOS"), Maria, and Jose. Or the Tres Amigos of the debate: BBC (Beto, Booker and Castro)?

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2019, 04:00:39 pm »

It's obvious from the reporting and attacks in the press that they want someone much further left than Biden and a woman, preferably a minority, like Harris.  They'll continue to gang up on Biden and Sanders the two white guys.  Then they'll knock off Elizabeth Warren who walks like a duck.

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« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2019, 04:16:09 pm »

It's obvious from the reporting and attacks in the press that they want someone much further left than Biden and a woman, preferably a minority, like Harris.  They'll continue to gang up on Biden and Sanders the two white guys.  Then they'll knock off Elizabeth Warren who walks like a duck.

So the back peddling has already begun; Harris claims she is not for single payer even though she raised her hand when the question was asked last night.  She said she mis-heard even though the question was pretty explicit. 

My personal favorite though was De Blasio quoting Che Guevara in Miami to a group of union workers, some of whom were certainly Cuban.  He claims he did not know who he was quoting but, I think Marco Rubio had the best response: "De Blasio studied Latin American politics in college, was a very active supporter of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua & even honeymooned in Cuba in violation of U.S. law ... But he had NO IDEA he was quoting Che Guevara today ... It was all just an incredible coincidence."
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2019, 04:21:42 pm »

So the back peddling has already begun; Harris claims she is not for single payer even though she raised her hand when the question was asked last night.  She said she mis-heard even though the question was pretty explicit. 

My personal favorite though was De Blasio quoting Che Guevara in Miami to a group of union workers, some of whom were certainly Cuban.  He claims he did not know who he was quoting but, I think Marco Rubio had the best response: "De Blasio studied Latin American politics in college, was a very active supporter of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua & even honeymooned in Cuba in violation of U.S. law ... But he had NO IDEA he was quoting Che Guevara today ... It was all just an incredible coincidence."

If he was still alive, Che would fit right in as one of the candidates.

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« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2019, 04:38:23 pm »

If he was still alive, Che would fit right in as one of the candidates.

What?
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2019, 05:19:21 pm »

What?

Che would be the first candidate with a hipster beard, and second with no tie ;)

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2019, 05:57:36 pm »

Che would be the first candidate with a hipster beard, and second with no tie ;)


Bet he'd sell more T-shirts, too.

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2019, 06:01:03 pm »

... Elizabeth Warren who walks like a duck.

Would you be prepared to clarify that statement?
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2019, 06:18:22 pm »

There's nothing really mysterious about the decline into Hell in Venezuela, for instance. You just have to understand how Socialism works.

Or, possibly, corruption.
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2019, 07:27:56 pm »

Corruption and socialism are closely linked.
Corruption exists in many countries, but it thrives in the socialistic or communistic systems.
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2019, 07:29:07 pm »

Would you be prepared to clarify that statement?
Sure, Warren walks like a duck.  Well, anyway, there is something strange about her movements. Photographer's eye, you know. 

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« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2019, 07:31:12 pm »

Corruption and socialism are closely linked.
Corruption exists in many countries, but it thrives in the socialistic or communistic systems.
Well, in socialist and communist countries, you have to be in the party to benefit from corruption.  In capitalist societies, it's more democratic and freer. Everyone can join in. 

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2019, 08:35:05 pm »

Well, in socialist and communist countries, you have to be in the party to benefit from corruption.  In capitalist societies, it's more democratic and freer. Everyone can join in. 

Or, as a Soviet joke goes, capitalism is the system of exploitation of man by man. In socialism, it’s the other way around.  ;)

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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2019, 12:06:32 am »

Corruption and socialism are closely linked.
Corruption exists in many countries, but it thrives in the socialistic or communistic systems.

Tell that to "The Usual Suspects" - Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, NZ. 
You know, the ones that consistently score highest on the "least corrupt country" lists.
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Re: Republicans and democrats don't understand each other
« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2019, 12:08:22 am »

Sure, Warren walks like a duck. ...

That's strange. I thought that level of comment was proscribed in the Forum Rules.
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