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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #100 on: June 28, 2019, 01:09:31 pm »

It looks like I wonít have to tap into their weekend delivery potential in the end.

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Bernard

You mean all you need now for the 0.1 Gigapixel  cat photo is the cat?

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #101 on: June 28, 2019, 01:34:17 pm »

The contention was that sales of the new mf camera will ensure development of the platform
Thatís probably a better way to look at it: will cameras like the GFX100 sell well enough to produce a ROI that makes Fujifilm willing and able to keep developing the system. It will clearly be a small part of Fujifilmís total business (IL cameras are a small part of Sonyís and Canonís total business, BTW) but adequate ROI, or even the prestige and not losing much on the 44x33 system, should be enough.
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #102 on: June 28, 2019, 02:27:40 pm »

Looking forward to your reports, Bernard!

If Fuji can grow the MF market so their share of it is 100,000 units/year (across three models, probably no more than 20% of that is GFX100s), that's a great business for them - If they make $1000/camera, it's a nice $100 million business. Even 50,000 cameras/year is worthwhile for them (easily).




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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #103 on: June 28, 2019, 04:06:31 pm »

Looking forward to your reports, Bernard!

If Fuji can grow the MF market so their share of it is 100,000 units/year (across three models, probably no more than 20% of that is GFX100s), that's a great business for them - If they make $1000/camera, it's a nice $100 million business. Even 50,000 cameras/year is worthwhile for them (easily).

Are you just pulling numbers from the air or do you have some reference we can view?
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #104 on: June 28, 2019, 06:16:31 pm »

You mean all you need now for the 0.1 Gigapixel  cat photo is the cat?

As well as some charged batteries I guess... and a few other details. ;)

I guess Iíll have to read the manual this time around... :D

But I am already under the charm of the 110mm f2.0 and the colors.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #105 on: June 29, 2019, 01:18:00 am »

I've seen in some Fuji interview that they were aiming at a few thousand units/month (3000?) for the 50S alone, before they released the other two (which would be reasonable for a camera in that price range).  They must have either gotten it or come close enough to satisfy themselves in order to have released two more models and a slew of lenses. There is a 2019 Fuji interview in which they claim to have "doubled the size of the medium format market" - which includes Pentax and the H system as well as the extreme high end.

The only manufacturer I've actually seen production figures per model for is Nikon (and those are primarily from serial number tracking, NOT Nikon releasing the sales).

Nikon's production capacity on the D3x (the closest thing they've ever done to medium format - with its very high resolution sensor (for the day) and 14-bit capture) was 2,000/month (Thom Hogan, I believe), and serial number tracking estimates that at least 25,000 of those were sold in about 33 months from wide availability to the launch of the D800. The D3x was more expensive than the Fujis except the GFX 100, and perhaps more exotic.

The D800-D810-D850 have always run in the 10,000/month range (from the release of the D800 to today) Nikon has stated 10,000/month as the volume they have available on that line (some DPReview or Imaging Resource interview), and serial number tracking suggests they pretty much sell it, except perhaps when the camera is stale .

I suspect Fuji sells significantly more over three models than the D3x ever did - 1000 to 2000 per month wouldn't double the medium format market, and wouldn't be worth making three significantly different bodies and a bunch of lenses... They'd be ecstatic to do D8xx volume, even split over three models, and I strongly suspect they don't do it. If their "few thousand a month" hope for the GFX 50S came true, they'd have to do that for each model without cannibalization.

Between that, I don't know... I suspect their target is in the range of 50,000-100,000/year (4000-8000/month) across the three models. How close are they? The 100 alone - a shot in the dark, but D3x volume? Same market, wedged in between the top quality you can get from anything cheaper and Phase and Hasselblad offering a slight step up for several times the money...

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #106 on: June 29, 2019, 05:37:23 am »

Very favorable first impression of the GFX100!

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #107 on: June 29, 2019, 06:12:27 am »

Very favorable first impression of the GFX100!

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Bernard

Where is that cat when you need it?

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #108 on: June 29, 2019, 06:37:29 am »

But I am already under the charm of the 110mm f2.0 and the colors.

What's your impression of the Bokeh? I've read earlier comments (possibly earlier Fujinon designs for MF), that they were a bit on the harsh side (due to relative over-correction?), not smooth (compared to other brands). Are there even alternatives for this mount (it seems like Fujifilm is aiming for lens-generated profit, rather than from the body)?

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #109 on: June 29, 2019, 07:04:30 am »

Bokeh can be complicated to assess as a whole, but on the images I have shot so far with the 110 and 250mm it seems absolutely outstanding. One of the best I have seen.
 
But this is a first impression.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #110 on: June 29, 2019, 07:59:32 am »

The camera is great. So far Iím impressed a lot. IBIS and AF are great. However, mine probably has to go back to Fuji as it resets itself every time when switching it off.  ::)
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #111 on: June 29, 2019, 08:56:17 am »

Mine arrives on Monday.  Has anyone tried the power setting to allow for the EVF to have higher resolution? 

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #112 on: June 29, 2019, 09:00:31 am »

The camera is great. So far Iím impressed a lot. IBIS and AF are great. However, mine probably has to go back to Fuji as it resets itself every time when switching it off.  ::)

Bummer...... maybe Fuji has a quick fix.  Try calling them on Monday.

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #113 on: June 29, 2019, 09:53:47 am »

I will sadly it looks like a problem going around.  Certainly not common, but I know of four people having the same problem. Really shouldnít happen on a 10k camera.
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #114 on: June 29, 2019, 10:04:55 am »

Happened on one their APS-C cameras XT-2.

They fixed it with firmware within a week. Odds are this will be handled with a firmware update

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #115 on: June 29, 2019, 10:07:40 am »

I will sadly it looks like a problem going around.  Certainly not common, but I know of four people having the same problem. Really shouldnít happen on a 10k camera.

There seems to be a problem with the settings not being stable until some small battery inside the camera gets charged.

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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #116 on: June 29, 2019, 10:10:47 am »

What's your impression of the Bokeh? I've read earlier comments (possibly earlier Fujinon designs for MF), that they were a bit on the harsh side (due to relative over-correction?), not smooth (compared to other brands). Are there even alternatives for this mount (it seems like Fujifilm is aiming for lens-generated profit, rather than from the body)?

Cheers,
Bart


There are some Mitakon lenses that are cheap, MF, and some of the best bokeh I have ever seen. I think there's a 65 and 85.

https://zyoptics.net/product/mitakon-speedmaster-65mm-f-1-4/

I don't know whether Contax and Mamiya MF lenses can AF on the Fuji. But I guess all those and the old Hassy lenses ... and Leica (!) can be used if just bokeh is the issue.

Edmund
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #117 on: June 29, 2019, 03:04:19 pm »

The other (common) problem with Fuji cameras that can cause the symptoms mentioned above (I've had it on several of their APS-C cameras) is that their clock batteries seem especially slow to charge.

Stick a fully charged battery (well, two in this case) in the camera. Leave it on a shelf for a couple of days (I haven't had to charge one in a while, and forget if it should be off or on but asleep). That will charge the little battery that runs the clock and keeps the settings intact. After this, set the settings, and they should stay set unless there is a further problem.

This can happen with any camera, but Fujis seem especially slow to charge the clock battery. My Z7 did the same thing when I was playing with on its first day, but leaving it alone for an hour or two charged the clock battery. My X-T2 took over 24 hours if I recall correctly. Once I got the clock battery charged, I've never had a Fuji (nor anything else)give me another problem unless I left it without a main battery for a month or so.
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #118 on: June 29, 2019, 04:50:55 pm »

I havenít experienced this disappearing settings issue.

I charged 2 new batteries with the charger provided by Fuji, loaded them in the camera, used the camera 4-5 hours later. No problem seen.

I am impressed really. Did some low light focusing/IBIS tests last night. 110mm f2.0 handheld, ISO12,800, f2.0, 1/10s, one weak led light in a tent. The camera focused quickly and reliably and images reviewed on screen donít reveal any blur.

This is a 100mp small MF camera that is as flexible as the best in class mirrorless.
- the EVF is even better than that of the Z7,
- the overall smoothness of operation is DSLR like
- exposure is spot on
- eye AF needs to be investigated some more. Overall it seems to work very well on cooperating subjects and decently with candids, the eye box in viewfinder doesít always appear to be able to follow but images are more often focused than not
- it isnít light but the ergo is pretty good,
- the batteries drain pretty fast but I realized at the end of the day that I had an option with IBIS on all the time that must have made things worse. Still I used up only 1.3 batteries after a day of shooting. I love the % accurate display of used battery capacity
- the vertical grip isnít the best but is still totally usable I find

Now itís a complex tool and coming from many years of Nikon/Hasselblad, there are some aspects of the UI that will benefit from a read of the manual. 😀

The menus are super rich and I am not able to fully guess the exact meaning/impact of perhaps 20% of the options.

In short things would be perfect if Edmund changed the title of thread to ďGFX100, a 15 fold increase of value compared to an XF IQ350Ē. :D

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: The incomprehensible and absurd overpricing of the Fuji GFX-100
« Reply #119 on: June 29, 2019, 07:41:46 pm »

There are some people here making comments on a camera they have actually held. Is that allowed?
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