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[Slobodan Blagojevic]

So much for the "white supremacy" in mass shootings.

NOTE: I do not vouch for the accuracy of the meme, but it seems legit, given the definition of "mass shootings" as 4+, which would easily include a bunch of gang shootings.

[Rob C]

Yes, I really think you act like Pavlov's dog in response to certain statements. Yes, I really think you are thin-skinned. Yes, I really think you lash out. Yes, I really think you are irrational. The proof is in your posts.

Fab, you are wasting your time.

Like myself, I'm sure there are better things you can find to do than try to whip the fog.

:-)

[kers]

So much for the "white supremacy" in mass shootings.

NOTE: I do not vouch for the accuracy of the meme, but it seems legit, given the definition of "mass shootings" as 4+, which would easily include a bunch of gang shootings.

Maybe you did miss the point; in the Texas case the reason of the shooting was that a white skinned man killed Mexicans because he thought to many of them had entered Texas...

Nobody ( here or anywhere else ) stated that all mass killings were caused by white males with racist motives....

So what is your point exactly?

Yes, according to the statistics the people in the US like to kill one another relatively much more than in many other countries and their favourite weapon is the gun...
Some say it is they enormous amount of guns available, other say it must be something else because guns need people to kill people.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Nobody ( here or anywhere else ) stated that all mass killings were caused by white males with racist motives....

In this very thread (note the plural):

These shooters are not 'crazies', 'lunatics', 'nut jobs' etc. They are highly-motivated, white supremacist terrorists...

[Chris Kern]

Nobody ( here or anywhere else ) stated that all mass killings were caused by white males with racist motives....

Certainly not all, but according to the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation:

[T]here have been more domestic terrorism subjects disrupted by arrest and more deaths caused by domestic terrorists than international terrorists in recent years.  We are most concerned about lone offenders, primarily using firearms, as these lone offenders represent the dominant trend for lethal domestic terrorists. . . .

Individuals adhering to racially motivated violent extremism ideology have been responsible for the most lethal incidents among domestic terrorists in recent years, and the FBI assesses the threat of violence and lethality posed by racially motivated violent extremists will continue.  The current racially motivated violent extremist threat is decentralized and primarily characterized by lone actors.  These actors tend to be radicalized online and target minorities and soft targets using easily accessible weapons.

—Testimony by Assistant Director Michael C. McGarrity, counterterrorism division, and Deputy Assistant Director Calvin A. Shivers, criminal investigative division, before the U.S. House of Representatives Oversight and Reform Committee, Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, June 4, 2019.

[elliot_n]

Ah, there's seems to have been a misunderstanding. I wasn't claiming that ALL gun crime is committed by the far right

I was simply pointing to the recent rise in white supremacist terrorism, and suggesting that it should be viewed in terms of ideology rather than mental health ('nut job' etc).

Your leader admitted as much today (through gritted teeth).

[Robert Roaldi]

My understanding is that a mass shooting is one in which 3 or more (or maybe 4 or more) people are shot/killed/injured. Does anyone know if they attempt to separate those into cases where, for example, some ex-employee shoots colleagues, that is, targeted shootings of people the attacker already knows and has a beef against vs truly random shootings of people that the perpetrators don't know? Without this additional breakdown information, attempting to make general statements about what political or racial motivations are at work is a bit of a waste of time. There will be cases in which they apply and others in which they don't.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... I was simply pointing to the recent rise in white supremacist terrorism, and suggesting that it should be viewed in terms of ideology rather than mental health ('nut job' etc)...

There is no white supremacy terrorism other than lone-wolf, nut-job kind, as obvious from the FBI report that Chris cited above. 

There is no platform that calls for mass shootings, and no organization claimed responsibility. There is no culture of martyrdom among those groups, and no perp has been directly associated with those fringe groups.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Without this additional breakdown information, attempting to make general statements about what political or racial motivations are...

Here is one source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

Note that, when you scroll to the bottom, out of about 250 mass shootings, only 2 were school shootings and only one in a “place of worship.” The last one could be terrorism, but even for that I am not sure, as I didn’t look into details.

[elliot_n]

There is no white supremacy terrorism other than lone-wolf, nut-job kind, as obvious from the FBI report that Chris cited above.

Ideology is not in the FBI's remit. It is working with blinkers on.

There is no platform that calls for mass shootings, and no organization claimed responsibility.

This is asymmetrical warfare. No organisations. No leaders. Just web forums and ideology (4chan, 8chan etc).

There is no culture of martyrdom among those groups, and no perp has been directly associated with those fringe groups.

You know that's not true.

[elliot_n]

The last one could be terrorism, but even for that I am not sure, as I didn’t look into details.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poway_synagogue_shooting

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... You know that's not true.

I honestly don’t. Care to point out examples? I am open to learning something new.

As for ideology... I don’t visit those sites... is there an ideology that calls for lethal violence against certain groups?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

.... I haven't been called those many names since me and my wife had a big fight last month. 

This too close to home then?

[elliot_n]

I honestly don’t. Care to point out examples? I am open to learning something new.

Elliot Rodger is regarded as a martyr by many in the incel 'community'. He has inspired subsequent mass killings.

[RSL]

Elliot Rodger is regarded as a martyr by many in the incel 'community'. He has inspired subsequent mass killings.

Come on, Elliot. From Wikipedia: "Elliot Rodger. Motive. Revenge for perceived sexual and social rejection." I'll admit that Wikipedia isn't always right, but if you're going to come out with stuff like this, give us your sources. You may be right, but just saying it ain't gonna cut it.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Elliot Rodger. Motive. Revenge for perceived sexual and social rejection."...

That I can understand. He will be rewarded, finally, with 72 virgins. Ooops! Wrong ideology? 

[elliot_n]

Come on, Elliot. From Wikipedia: "Elliot Rodger. Motive. Revenge for perceived sexual and social rejection." I'll admit that Wikipedia isn't always right, but if you're going to come out with stuff like this, give us your sources. You may be right, but just saying it ain't gonna cut it.

Wikipedia and the recent BBC documentary 'Inside the Secret World of Incels'.

[Alan Klein]

Antifa, the left wing group, uses violence often in its methods.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals-cheer-as-antifa-violence-escalates/

What about the Sanders supporter who tried to kill Republican congressmen playing baseball.  Five people were shot.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/james-hodgkinson-shooting-republicans-baseball-game

These were only two of many left-wing groups and terrorists dating back decades including the Black Liberation Army, The Weatherman and The Symbionese Liberation Army, just three that I remember.  Many of these groups even used bombs in their violence and assassinated cops regularly.

Black Liberation Army
A splinter group made up of the more radical members of the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army (BLA) sought to overthrow the US government in the name of racial separatism and Marxist ideals. The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the murders of 13 police officers. According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity, the group was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1980.

Symbionese Liberation Army
The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled, far left "urban guerrilla warfare group" that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders, and other acts of violence between 1973 and 1975. Among their most notorious acts was the kidnapping of the newspaper heiress Patty Hearst.

Weathermen
The Weather Underground Organization was a far left organization active from 1969 to 1975. It originated in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)[23] composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters. The group collapsed shortly after the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975.

The point is, America has a rich history of single nut jobs of all persuasions as well as violent groups from one end of the political spectrum to the other.  These groups have long pre-dated Trump.  Wacko Americans of all stripes don;t need much to get them going. 

[Alan Klein]

For the heck of it, here's just one of the aboves list of leftist activities when they existed including assassinations, bombings etc. Frankly, until I read the article, I forget just how violent they were.
The Weathermen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

[Robert Roaldi]

Antifa, the left wing group, uses violence often in its methods.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals-cheer-as-antifa-violence-escalates/

What about the Sanders supporter who tried to kill Republican congressmen playing baseball.  Five people were shot.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/james-hodgkinson-shooting-republicans-baseball-game

These were only two of many left-wing groups and terrorists dating back decades including the Black Liberation Army, The Weatherman and The Symbionese Liberation Army, just three that I remember.  Many of these groups even used bombs in their violence and assassinated cops regularly.

Black Liberation Army
A splinter group made up of the more radical members of the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army (BLA) sought to overthrow the US government in the name of racial separatism and Marxist ideals. The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the murders of 13 police officers. According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity, the group was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1980.

Symbionese Liberation Army
The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled, far left "urban guerrilla warfare group" that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army. The group committed bank robberies, two murders, and other acts of violence between 1973 and 1975. Among their most notorious acts was the kidnapping of the newspaper heiress Patty Hearst.

Weathermen
The Weather Underground Organization was a far left organization active from 1969 to 1975. It originated in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)[23] composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters. The group collapsed shortly after the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975.

The point is, America has a rich history of single nut jobs of all persuasions as well as violent groups from one end of the political spectrum to the other.  These groups have long pre-dated Trump.  Wacko Americans of all stripes don;t need much to get them going.

Indeed, no shortage of gunplay. Ever read what happened in Matewan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan back in 1920. You have often explained the omnipresence of guns with Americans' desire to protect yourselves from government incursion, how do you feel about the same when perpetrated by private companies? The labour "war" in Matewan was one of the the largest battles ever to take place on American soil. How many people know about it?

Another fascinating piece of history are the so-called "race riots" in the early 1900s https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/america-s-other-civil-war-1.5151203 where black and immigrant neighbourhoods in American cities were attacked by avowed white supremacist groups resulting in thousands of deaths with few prosecutions. These incidents may not be taught in schools or mentioned in popular media but that doesn't mean that people don't remember them.

By those standards, today's fringe groups are wimps!