The American Constitution

[Robert Roaldi]

Guess the guns have just spoken again down in Texas.

Nothing much changes; the protests will probably come up again, but so will the counter-arguments and nothing concrete will be done. What a terrible situation.

Hey Rob, you were right!

(Can you predict lottery numbers too? If so, please PM me.)

[LesPalenik]

Americans today are a free people.  With all due respect to outsiders who don;t live here, we don't need foreigners telling us how to stay free.   We'll stick with our constitution.

Most mass murders in USA were committed by free American citizens who are sticking to their constitution, not by the foreigners.

[Robert Roaldi]

Really? What is "white-supremacist" about Ohio shooting? Ohio is as white as it gets, and the gunmen killed his own sister there. How about the school shooting recently by a leftist, transgender boy? The outrage (if any) lasted about 2 seconds in the loony-left mainstream media, before being forgotten, as it doesn't fit the "white supremacy" narrative. Shooting in Las Vegas, at a country music festival, where attendees are usually associated with rednecks, deplorables, or Republicans? The guy was white, but where is the "supremacy" part? Shooting in Dallas, by a black BLM-sympathizer? Etc., etc.

Maybe you haven't seen this https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/456118-texas-gop-senators-respond-to-el-paso-shooting.

Ok, so you've brought up some instances where "white supremacy" was not a factor and now we have one that seems to be. There may be others, there may not be, I don't know. Did this diversion serve a purpose? Did it move the discussion forward in any way?

[Robert Roaldi]

Americans today are a free people.  With all due respect to outsiders who don;t live here, we don't need foreigners telling us how to stay free.   We'll stick with our constitution.

Why are you going down this route again? You've been on the Brexit forum giving your opinions about a country not your own for weeks.

This is an opinion discussion forum. If you don't want to read opinions that are different from your own, you may be in the wrong place.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Did this diversion serve a purpose? Did it move the discussion forward in any way?

I was responding to Elliot’s diversion.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Sometimes, mom meme knows best:

[faberryman]

Always so vulgar.

[LesPalenik]

Sometimes, mom meme knows best:

If done right away after the committed offense, it could mitigate the future risks quite effectively.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Since the lefties love science, here is the science guy:

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Chicago’s response to the shootings: “Hold my beer!”

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Since the lefties love science, here is the science guy:

So you are saying that avoidable gun deaths are okay????

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

So you are saying that avoidable gun deaths are okay?

They are “avoidable”? How?

Tell me and I’ll nominate you for a Nobel Peace Prize.

[Robert Roaldi]

I was responding to Elliot’s diversion.

So you were. Too many sub-threads for me to keep track of, I lost my place.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

They are “avoidable”? How?

Tell me and I’ll nominate you for a Nobel Peace Prize.

You are saying that they were totally unavoidable?

They were more avoidable by taking corrective action, instead of no action.
Since when did no action whatsoever change a misguided ideology?
Since when did a President's stoking of racial discrimination solve anything?
Since when did you do anything to solve the issues?

[Alan Klein]

Why are you going down this route again? You've been on the Brexit forum giving your opinions about a country not your own for weeks.

This is an opinion discussion forum. If you don't want to read opinions that are different from your own, you may be in the wrong place.

I was responding to an opinion by a non-American that called Americans racist and unfree.  Those are fighting words and were over the top. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

...
Since when did no action whatsoever change a misguided ideology?
Since when did a President's stoking of racial discrimination solve anything?
Since when did you do anything to solve the issues?

Since you've been imagining those things.

[Alan Klein]

Maybe you haven't seen this https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/456118-texas-gop-senators-respond-to-el-paso-shooting.

Ok, so you've brought up some instances where "white supremacy" was not a factor and now we have one that seems to be. There may be others, there may not be, I don't know. Did this diversion serve a purpose? Did it move the discussion forward in any way?

The murderer in Dayton may have been a leftist, Antifa supporter who supported Warren and Sanders.  But that could be speculation as well.  Who knows at this point who this guy was? Why don't we wait until the investigation gets going before jumping to conclusions.  Regardless, these nut jobs are crazy. Left or right or unaffiliated, nut jobs are just angry with society because they're losers.  Unfortunately, we mostly can;t know who's going to flip out before they do.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60569

[kers]

They are “avoidable”? How?

Tell me and I’ll nominate you for a Nobel Peace Prize.

For obvious reasons you are not entitled to give me that price, otherwise look at some basic research and statistics:

USA
https://massshootingtracker.org/data/2019
https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Analysis_of_Mass_Shooting_033117.pdf

Europe
https://vlaamsvredesinstituut.eu/en/pressrelease/19-massaschietpartijen-met-319-doden-in-europa-tussen-2009-2015/

I agree with Rob; give everybody an atomic bomb to defend himself and you see the statistics go up.
Take away the arms and you see the statistics go down.

[RSL]

Interesting editorial in the Wall Street Journal this morning which pointed out that with the increase in population we now have a million people with serious mental illness drifting around the country; people who, sixty years ago, would have been confined to mental institutions.

Of course, that simply couldn't help to explain the murders that are taking place. After all, as the left sixty years ago bled publicly: it's unfair to keep these poor people cooped up. I remember the whole thing. I even had a schizophrenic cousin who was removed from care and promptly disappeared.

Golly. Maybe guns aren't really the problem. If they are, how come, when I was a kid, we all had guns but there almost never was a shooting except by the Mafia?

[Alan Klein]

For obvious reasons you are not entitled to give me that price, otherwise look at some basic research and statistics:

USA
https://massshootingtracker.org/data/2019
https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Analysis_of_Mass_Shooting_033117.pdf

Europe
https://vlaamsvredesinstituut.eu/en/pressrelease/19-massaschietpartijen-met-319-doden-in-europa-tussen-2009-2015/

I agree with Rob; give everybody an atomic bomb to defend himself and you see the statistics go up.
Take away the arms and you see the statistics go down.

45000 Americans are killed every year driving.  Funny thing though. No one wants to take away their cars. They're willing to put up with the carnage.  And get this.  About half of the auto deaths was caused by drinking.  Yet, amazingly, we reversed a constitutional amendment that had stopped the manufacturing of alcohol that could have saved thousands annually.  Silly us, we're now legalizing marijuana, state by state, that's going to add to the carnage on the road to the tune of hundreds of more deaths a year, a lot more than occur with mass shootings.  And there's no constitutional protection for any of these things like we have against eliminating guns. We could stop it and the Supreme Court would not interfere.   We're a strange people.