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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1060 on: July 01, 2019, 05:30:00 pm »

One only need to look at Jared Kushner's recent proposal for 'solving' the problem in the Middle East to understand the level of his diplomatic capabilities. 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1061 on: July 01, 2019, 05:31:57 pm »

One only need to look at Jared Kushner's recent proposal for 'solving' the problem in the Middle East to understand the level of his diplomatic capabilities.

I keep on reading this over and over again since when Trump became president, all the while constantly reminding myself of the fact that the so called experts gave it 70+ years and they could not solve it either. 

Personally I'd withdraw all troops and let that whole kit and kaboodal go to hell in a handbasket, then make new alliances after the fires burned themselves out.  But I have a feeling the liberal press would not like that either. 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1062 on: July 01, 2019, 05:33:23 pm »

One only need to look at Jared Kushner's recent proposal for 'solving' the problem in the Middle East to understand the level of his diplomatic capabilities. 

No professional diplomat, expert, genius, not even Einstein, managed to propose, let alone solve the Middle East problem in the last 70+ years.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1063 on: July 01, 2019, 05:34:05 pm »

I keep on reading this over and over again since when Trump became president, all the while constantly reminding myself of the fact that the so called experts gave it 40+ years and they could not solve it either.
Until the Israelis and Palestinians demonstrate a commitment to sit down and try to solve the nation state problem nothing will happen for the next 40 years. 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1064 on: July 01, 2019, 05:35:51 pm »

this may win the award for oxymoron of the month.  I'm hard pressed to point to any fresh ideas from the President and I'm really unsure that he is capable.  His job over seas is not done and only hanging from a thread.  Farmers are still up the creek and manufacturing in this country continues it's inexorable downward trend.  Other than a tax cut that favored the rich (not a new idea in any way) what has happened that is a "game changer?"  Has the swamp been drained?  Has the former Secretary of State been 'locked up?'  Have we disentangled our military from the middle east?  As Clara Peller so famously said, "where's the beef?"

-Reduced government control by doing away with a lot of wasteful regulations
-open the pipeline
-allow oil exploration in additional areas
-started effective negotiations with NK
-Imposed sanctions on Iran and stopped the stupid nuclear agreement
- New tax legislation that was a boon to the economy
- Started aggressive military actions in the Pacific to check CHinese expansion
- Started aggressive economic actions against China to check illegal and unfair economic actions on their part.
- Challenged NATO nations to get them to increase their defense spending.
- Destroyed ISIS's territorial ownership. 
- Moved American embassy to Jerusalem recognizing it as Israel's capital.

You may not agree with some of these actions.  But they were fresh and different then previous administrations and getting things done as hoped for by the people who voted for him.  Those who didn't vote for him like yourself, will never give him any credit.

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« Reply #1065 on: July 01, 2019, 05:37:10 pm »

Until the Israelis and Palestinians demonstrate a commitment to sit down and try to solve the nation state problem nothing will happen for the next 40 years.

Yes, very true, but who is responsible for coming to the table first? 

Although I don't like the new developments constantly being built by the Israelis in the West Bank, the Palestinians keep on support Hamas.  Kind of hard to negotiate with a people who keep on firing rockets at you.  Equally, it is kind of hard to trust a ruler who destroys new schools/structures built with foreign aid. 

Kind of a Quagmire, which is why I vote to just wash our hands of it and let the whole region burn itself down. 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1066 on: July 01, 2019, 05:53:24 pm »

-Reduced government control by doing away with a lot of wasteful regulations
most of the regulatory problems are at the state and local levels; the federal attempts are mostly bluster, e.g. bring back beautiful coal
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-open the pipeline
-allow oil exploration in additional areas
the pipeline will be meaningless when they build a pipeline from Edmonton to Vancouver as that's the key market for Canadian oil.  US doesn't need any oil from Canada
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-started effective negotiations with NK
Yes there has been at least one interesting photo shoot
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-Imposed sanctions on Iran and stopped the stupid nuclear agreement
not clear that this has worked
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- New tax legislation that was a boon to the economy
not a new Trump idea at all but just a continuation of the Republican desire to cut taxes for the rich; the economic boom is questionable as I noted a lot of stock prices are a result of buy backs with repatriated money; CEOs love this as it raises stock price which is key to their compensation even though the fundamental earnings are not robust at all
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- Started aggressive military actions in the Pacific to check CHinese expansion
yup, we got out of the TPP giving China the impetus to economically dominate the region
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- Challenged NATO nations to get them to increase their defense spending.
has this happened?
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- Destroyed ISIS's territorial ownership. 
and let's not forget that ISIS was the direct result of the warmongering Dick Cheney who got us into the Iraq war with no game plan at all
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- Moved American embassy to Jerusalem recognizing it as Israel's capital.
and this does what?  My sister who has lived in Israel since 1973 and has family who severed in the army just laughs when we talk about the geopolitical meaning of this major foreign policy coup

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You may not agree with some of these actions.  But they were fresh and different then previous administrations and getting things done as hoped for by the people who voted for him.  Those who didn't vote for him like yourself, will never give him any credit.
Are the people in Eastern Kentucky who voted for him in large numbers better off?  What about West Virginia and a number of the southern states which don't seem to be doing any better than they were back in 2014-16.  Much of the economic growth continues to take place in the larger tech areas a number of which voted Democrat with a few that voted Republican.  Look at the health care in the states who have not taken the Medicaid money; there was a story in the paper the other day about the pop up clinics that dedicated nurses, doctors and dentists are setting up on weekends in Tennessee, and some of the other states to try to bring a modicum of health care to these people who don't have it.  These are American citizens so you can't invoke the providing healthcare to illegal immigrants. 

As noted above, I don't think President Trump has come up with any 'ground breaking' proposals that will move the needle.  what we are seeing is a continuation of the economic growth that began a couple of years after Obama's first term started in 2010.  You can go to the FRED data base and try to parse things out in whatever way you want but you cannot show any definitive impact on the economy from what it has been doing.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1067 on: July 01, 2019, 06:00:32 pm »

Yes, very true, but who is responsible for coming to the table first? 

Although I don't like the new developments constantly being built by the Israelis in the West Bank, the Palestinians keep on support Hamas.  Kind of hard to negotiate with a people who keep on firing rockets at you.  Equally, it is kind of hard to trust a ruler who destroys new schools/structures built with foreign aid. 

Kind of a Quagmire, which is why I vote to just wash our hands of it and let the whole region burn itself down.
It's probably 70% the Palestinian's fault for the whole mess.  I remember when Israel left the Gaza strip some years ago leaving a significant number of greenhouses standing where they grew tomatoes and peppers for export to Europe.  It was a good business and the first thing Hamas did was destroy them rather then asking for assistance in keeping this business going.  the Palestinians on the West Bank are playing things all wrong.  they should be taking the Ghandi/MLK non-violent approach and demand full annexation into Israel with voting rights.  that's the one sure way to get world opinion on their side and forced the hand of the settler movement.  It's so obvious that it will remain a path not to be followed.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1068 on: July 01, 2019, 06:13:37 pm »

most of the regulatory problems are at the state and local levels; the federal attempts are mostly bluster, e.g. bring back beautiful coalthe pipeline will be meaningless when they build a pipeline from Edmonton to Vancouver as that's the key market for Canadian oil.  US doesn't need any oil from Canada Yes there has been at least one interesting photo shoot not clear that this has worked not a new Trump idea at all but just a continuation of the Republican desire to cut taxes for the rich; the economic boom is questionable as I noted a lot of stock prices are a result of buy backs with repatriated money; CEOs love this as it raises stock price which is key to their compensation even though the fundamental earnings are not robust at all yup, we got out of the TPP giving China the impetus to economically dominate the region has this happened? and let's not forget that ISIS was the direct result of the warmongering Dick Cheney who got us into the Iraq war with no game plan at all and this does what?  My sister who has lived in Israel since 1973 and has family who severed in the army just laughs when we talk about the geopolitical meaning of this major foreign policy coup
Are the people in Eastern Kentucky who voted for him in large numbers better off?  What about West Virginia and a number of the southern states which don't seem to be doing any better than they were back in 2014-16.  Much of the economic growth continues to take place in the larger tech areas a number of which voted Democrat with a few that voted Republican.  Look at the health care in the states who have not taken the Medicaid money; there was a story in the paper the other day about the pop up clinics that dedicated nurses, doctors and dentists are setting up on weekends in Tennessee, and some of the other states to try to bring a modicum of health care to these people who don't have it.  These are American citizens so you can't invoke the providing healthcare to illegal immigrants. 

As noted above, I don't think President Trump has come up with any 'ground breaking' proposals that will move the needle. what we are seeing is a continuation of the economic growth that began a couple of years after Obama's first term started in 2010.  You can go to the FRED data base and try to parse things out in whatever way you want but you cannot show any definitive impact on the economy from what it has been doing.

You weren't able to find one positive thing proving my point about your bias.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1069 on: July 01, 2019, 06:13:55 pm »

... demand full annexation into Israel with voting rights...

With natality like rabbits, Jews would be a minority in their own state in no time at all.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1070 on: July 01, 2019, 06:15:00 pm »

You weren't able to find one positive thing proving my point about your bias.
Here is one, he didn't attack Iran. 
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« Reply #1071 on: July 01, 2019, 07:58:41 pm »

A First Lady with a law degree from Yale University, and with an extensive law practice resume before going to Washington.

Omer, did you ever read or read about the book, "Hell to Pay?"
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« Reply #1072 on: July 01, 2019, 09:14:19 pm »

Omer, did you ever read or read about the book, "Hell to Pay?"

No, but if you’re referring to the Clintons’ private life, well they are consenting adults. Yes, the Monica Lewinsky affair was sordid and is on Bill.

We all know there will be like books on Donald exposing his sordid behavior.

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« Reply #1073 on: July 01, 2019, 09:32:53 pm »

No, but if you’re referring to the Clintons’ private life, well they are consenting adults. Yes, the Monica Lewinsky affair was sordid and is on Bill.

We all know there will be like books on Donald exposing his sordid behavior.

Monica Lewinsky affair was quite harmless. Actually, in Europe it would be rather harmless, in USA it caused a lot of unnecessary upheaval and disruption.
On the other hand, the Benghazi attack and how it was handled by Hillary Clinton caused considerable damage and loss of lives.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1074 on: July 01, 2019, 09:55:47 pm »

Here is one, he didn't attack Iran. 
He didn't attack NK either.

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« Reply #1075 on: July 01, 2019, 10:01:24 pm »

No, but if you’re referring to the Clintons’ private life, well they are consenting adults. Yes, the Monica Lewinsky affair was sordid and is on Bill.

We all know there will be like books on Donald exposing his sordid behavior.
Yes Monica is on Bill.  But Hillary tried to bury her and all the women Bill had affairs with.  She stayed and protected him because of her own political ambitions.  Many women condemned her for that and voted for Trump because of it.  My wife is one.

Regarding Trump, we new about his sordid behavior before he was elected.  Nothing new there. 

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« Reply #1076 on: July 02, 2019, 01:32:43 am »

Yes Monica is on Bill.  But Hillary tried to bury her and all the women Bill had affairs with.  She stayed and protected him because of her own political ambitions.  Many women condemned her for that and voted for Trump because of it.  My wife is one.


Hang on - your wife voted for The Pussy Grabber because of her concern for HC's standing by her husband after his infidelity?  Sometimes I really do think this "democracy" thing is over-rated :-(
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1077 on: July 02, 2019, 04:21:05 am »

Those friggin' straws folks grab in this thread have turned into matchsticks.

The US can't abandon Isreal: much of the USA is Jewish, especially where it matters. It's got nothing to do with anything as foreign as "policy": it's to do with family, blood, religion and clan.

The only case I can think of right now (it's already hot and humid at 10.15a.m.) where those four pillars were betrayed by Britain - and to what a disaster of a result - was in Rhodesia.

At a weak moment of kindness I'd say the son-in-law has got that one. Apart fom the daughter, of course. Which is as ambiguous as a good street snap!

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« Reply #1078 on: July 02, 2019, 07:30:16 am »

No, but if you’re referring to the Clintons’ private life, well they are consenting adults. Yes, the Monica Lewinsky affair was sordid and is on Bill.

“Hell to Pay” was a book written by Barbara Olson, wife of Ted Olson who was U.S. Solicitor General for several years beginning in 2001. The book deals with Hillary’s interference in the government and in international relations during part of the Clinton administration. Unfortunately, Barbara was a passenger on one of the 9/11 aircraft that hit the World Trade Center. She called Ted on her cell phone to say goodbye before the aircraft hit.
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« Reply #1079 on: July 02, 2019, 07:49:47 am »

“Hell to Pay” was a book written by Barbara Olson, wife of Ted Olson who was U.S. Solicitor General for several years beginning in 2001. The book deals with Hillary’s interference in the government and in international relations during part of the Clinton administration. Unfortunately, Barbara was a passenger on one of the 9/11 aircraft that hit the World Trade Center. She called Ted on her cell phone to say goodbye before the aircraft hit.
My niece Lisa Raines was on that plane.
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