The American Constitution

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Got to give it to you, Rob, you succeeded in putting the con in the Constitution

[RSL]

Rob, it is amazing to watch how having the skin in the (Brexit) game can turn a conservative into a Soviet-loving commie

Easy, Slobodan. Rob's a good friend, even if seriously misguided.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Easy, Slobodan. Rob's a good friend, even if seriously misguided.

Serbs love nothing more than to roast their good friends

[Rob C]

Rob, it is amazing to watch how having the skin in the (Brexit) game can turn a conservative into a Soviet-loving commie

Moi? A red? You must really, really be feeling the humidity!

In normal circumstances I am somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan, but though the continents are pretty much the same, it's a bit of a stretch to think of the philosophy of the present occupiers as similar to his or even mine...

Trouble is, there is no longer a sensible right on the domestic scene; there are but those willing to sign the Faustian deal with my blood. But hey, this is the wrong thread for that teardrop!

;-)

[Jeremy Roussak]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/surreal-ivanka-trump-plays-a-prominent-role-in-her-fathers-historic-korea-trip/2019/06/30/98695704-9b58-11e9-b27f-ed2942f73d70_story.html

https://twitter.com/ParhamGhobadi/status/1145074623035449357

The USA as a constitutional monargy

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Jeremy

[kers]

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Jeremy

Sorry for not explaining myself properly;
According to some news reports from usually trusted sources the way the government is led seems to become a family affair with key family members Trumps daughter Ivanka trump and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner.
How do the forum members here feel about that?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-27/tillerson-says-kushner-conducted-foreign-policy-without-him
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/tillerson-kushner-conducted-diplomacy-190627185538439.html

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/surreal-ivanka-trump-plays-a-prominent-role-in-her-fathers-historic-korea-trip/ar-AADExbw?li=BBnbcA1&srcref=rss#

a quote from this article:
..Mostly, her prominence on a major foreign trip sends a message about who other countries should listen to or court, said Christopher R. Hill, a former U.S. ambassador to South Korea and other nations.

“It looks to the rest of the world like we have a kind of a constitutional monarchy,” said Hill, who oversaw nuclear talks with North Korea at the close of the George W. Bush administration.

“It’s increasingly problematic in terms of our credibility,” Hill said. “It says to our allies, to everyone we do business with, that the only people who matter are Trump and his family members.”

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... How do the forum members here feel about that?...

With many players entering his government with the purpose of sabotaging it, leaking info, or securing book rights as a minimum, no wonder he is trusting his family. It is not without a precedent (Wikipedia; emphasis mine):

After winning the 1960 presidential election, President-elect John F. Kennedy appointed his younger brother attorney general. The choice was controversial, with publications including The New York Times and The New Republic calling him inexperienced and unqualified.. He had no experience in any state or federal court,

[RSL]

Sorry for not explaining myself properly;
According to some news reports from usually trusted sources the way the government is led seems to become a family affair with key family members Trumps daughter Ivanka trump and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner.
How do the forum members here feel about that?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-27/tillerson-says-kushner-conducted-foreign-policy-without-him
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/tillerson-kushner-conducted-diplomacy-190627185538439.html

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/surreal-ivanka-trump-plays-a-prominent-role-in-her-fathers-historic-korea-trip/ar-AADExbw?li=BBnbcA1&srcref=rss#

a quote from this article:
..Mostly, her prominence on a major foreign trip sends a message about who other countries should listen to or court, said Christopher R. Hill, a former U.S. ambassador to South Korea and other nations.

“It looks to the rest of the world like we have a kind of a constitutional monarchy,” said Hill, who oversaw nuclear talks with North Korea at the close of the George W. Bush administration.

“It’s increasingly problematic in terms of our credibility,” Hill said. “It says to our allies, to everyone we do business with, that the only people who matter are Trump and his family members.”

Peter, (age unknown, location nowhere), have you ever heard of Eleanor Roosevelt? How about Hillary Clinton?

[Alan Klein]

 

Sorry for not explaining myself properly;
According to some news reports from usually trusted sources the way the government is led seems to become a family affair with key family members Trumps daughter Ivanka trump and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner.
How do the forum members here feel about that?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-27/tillerson-says-kushner-conducted-foreign-policy-without-him
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/tillerson-kushner-conducted-diplomacy-190627185538439.html

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/surreal-ivanka-trump-plays-a-prominent-role-in-her-fathers-historic-korea-trip/ar-AADExbw?li=BBnbcA1&srcref=rss#

a quote from this article:
..Mostly, her prominence on a major foreign trip sends a message about who other countries should listen to or court, said Christopher R. Hill, a former U.S. ambassador to South Korea and other nations.

“It looks to the rest of the world like we have a kind of a constitutional monarchy,” said Hill, who oversaw nuclear talks with North Korea at the close of the George W. Bush administration.

“It’s increasingly problematic in terms of our credibility,” Hill said. “It says to our allies, to everyone we do business with, that the only people who matter are Trump and his family members.”

If you were a foreign leader and wanted to negotiate or needed something from the American President, would you rather discuss it with the American ambassador to your country or with the President's son-in-law or daughter who represents him as one of his personal advisors?  Frankly, the articles are just more "hit" pieces on Trump.  They never end. 

[faberryman]

If you were a foreign leader and wanted to negotiate or needed something from the American President, would you rather discuss it with the American ambassador to your country or with the President's son-in-law or daughter who represents him as one of his personal advisors?  Frankly, the articles are just more "hit" pieces on Trump.  They never end.

If I wanted something from a president, I'd want to talk to the president, not to his daughter or son-in-law. If you wanted something in business, would you want to talk to the principal, or his daughter or son in law?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

If I wanted something from a president, I'd want to talk to the president, not to his daughter or son-in-law.

You do not always have a direct line to heads of state. You more often than not have to go through intermediaries. Chief of Staff, ambassador, national security advisor, etc. His daughter and son-in-law aren't just family, but have official capacities in the White House. Rest assured that his daughter will have a quicker access to her dad than some ambassador. So, yes, you would want to talk to her.

[OmerV]

Peter, (age unknown, location nowhere), have you ever heard of Eleanor Roosevelt? How about Hillary Clinton?

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer and was a Secretary of State. And while Eleanor Roosevelt was highly intelligent and a superb activist, she never conducted foreign state diplomacy.

Is Ivanka anything more than an adornment that Donald likes to show off?

Well, with Daddy’s help Ivanka and Jared have reaped the benefits of doing business while being government employees.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-2017-financial-disclosure_n_5b1f4061e4b09d7a3d762f8f

[Alan Klein]

If I wanted something from a president, I'd want to talk to the president, not to his daughter or son-in-law.

The president doesn't talk to everyone directly all the time.  That's the purpose of ambassadors and presidential advisors.  If I was a foreign leader, and had a choice between the American ambassador to my country or the president's personal advisor, whether a family member or not, I would choose the advisor.  Advisor's have the personal ear of the president.  Actually, the fact the advisor is a family member would make the selection choice even easier.  I would tell Ivanka how talented she is and how great I think her dad is.  Then ask her to ask her dad to send those missiles we need to shoot down the bad guys.  Why would you want to negotiate these things with an ambassador, another bureaucrat  hoping he's still going to have his job when a new president takes over? 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Hillary Clinton is a lawyer and was a Secretary of State...

She wasn't the Secretary of State when she was pushing the first health care attempt, with lousy results, in the capacity of the First Lady only.

[OmerV]

She wasn't the Secretary of State when she was pushing the first health care attempt, with lousy results, in the capacity of the First Lady only.

A First Lady with a law degree from Yale University, and with an extensive law practice resume before going to Washington.

[Alan Klein]

A First Lady with a law degree from Yale University, and with an extensive law practice resume before going to Washington.

The president himself had no previous ambassadorial or for that matter any government or military experience. But that's who we elected, not a former Secretary of State and lawyer who lied about her emails and made secret deals with foreign leaders to enrich her and her husband through their personal foundation.   We wanted a tough guy who did things as a CEO, as an executive.  That's why we elected him.  Ivanka has similar experience as well as an executive, and no previous government experience.  Great.  Fresh ideas and capabilities. Meanwhile, Trump's done a great job overseas.  For America.  The government guys who were there for 40 years have screwed things up in North Korea, Iran, China  and elsewhere.  We sent Trump to Washington to change things and get results.  It's working. 

[Alan Goldhammer]

The president himself had no previous ambassadorial or for that matter any government or military experience. But that's who we elected, not a former Secretary of State and lawyer who lied about her emails and made secret deals with foreign leaders to enrich her and her husband through their personal foundation.   We wanted a tough guy who did things as a CEO, as an executive.  That's why we elected him.  Ivanka has similar experience as well as an executive, and no previous government experience.  Great.  Fresh ideas and capabilities. Meanwhile, Trump's done a great job overseas.  For America.  The government guys who were there for 40 years have screwed things up in North Korea, Iran, China  and elsewhere.  We sent Trump to Washington to change things and get results.  It's working.

this may win the award for oxymoron of the month.  I'm hard pressed to point to any fresh ideas from the President and I'm really unsure that he is capable.  His job over seas is not done and only hanging from a thread.  Farmers are still up the creek and manufacturing in this country continues it's inexorable downward trend.  Other than a tax cut that favored the rich (not a new idea in any way) what has happened that is a "game changer?"  Has the swamp been drained?  Has the former Secretary of State been 'locked up?'  Have we disentangled our military from the middle east?  As Clara Peller so famously said, "where's the beef?"

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

A First Lady with a law degree from Yale University, and with an extensive law practice resume before going to Washington.

You are changing the issue. What her degrees have to do with what we are discussing? Ivanka has degrees too. We are discussing family members performing duties beyond protocolar for their position.

Again, there were precedents:

[OmerV]

You are changing the issue. What her degrees have to do with what we are discussing? Ivanka has degrees too. We are discussing family members performing duties beyond protocolar for their position.

Again, there were precedents:

Yes Slobodan, but qualifications and experience matter. But in this administration it seems personal favors are the currency of national “diplomacy.”

[JoeKitchen]

Yes Slobodan, but qualifications and experience matter. But in this administration it seems personal favors are the currency of national “diplomacy.”

Is that why Obama got elected?