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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #700 on: June 23, 2019, 04:31:08 pm »

... If that's what you prefer, it's your call to disappear from this thread and to pop up in others. You see? Everybody free to do as they wish.

Sorry to see you go, rabanito 😢

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #701 on: June 23, 2019, 04:54:34 pm »

I'm all for sharing great photography. But if it's not that great, I'd rather amuse and educate myself by reading some other topics.
Actually great photography and interesting political discussions are not mutually exclusive. Even on the same site.
Of course you are right.
That was a friendly proposal to the person which which I was conversing, just to finish that particular debate.
Rob was probably not aware of it and reacted without knowing all the facts.
I explained the situation to him above.
And "Great Photography" is an ironical remark. That's not mine, to be sure  ;D
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #702 on: June 23, 2019, 05:05:12 pm »

... And "Great Photography" is an ironical remark...

You are now insulting my photography too?

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #703 on: June 23, 2019, 05:10:59 pm »

Sorry to see you go, rabanito 😢

Hehe, I got my orders from Rob. What else could I do?
And I'm easy to be bullied, as you well know.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #704 on: June 23, 2019, 05:24:06 pm »

You are now insulting my photography too?

Me? God forbid!
Irony: the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
The word used for the insulting expression is sarcasm
English is a very difficult language, I know ;)
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #705 on: June 23, 2019, 06:48:20 pm »

About the lack and cessation of Great Photography: Contrary to all rumours, it is still alive and thriving.
The latest Lula article / Zizka Photography shows some spectacular and very unique images. Quite different from the silky waterfalls, homeless persons, and Grand Canyon panoramas.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #706 on: June 24, 2019, 06:35:24 am »

Let me help you. The comparison is in American terms. What’s left in America is probably touching right-of-center in Europe.

American Democrats were “the left” something like 15-20 years ago. Heck, my daughter reminds me that I was pro-Democrats when we arrived to America. She asked what changed. While I changed a bit, getting better and smarter with years, like a good wine :), the Democrats changed a lot, to the point that it would be unrecognizable 15-20 years ago. That’s what makes them “ultra-left,” in comparison with themselves, not “socialist regimes.”

Not only that, but their colours are also confusing.
Red has been traditionally a communist colour. In Canada, Liberals use bright red colour and the conservatives a blue colour. No wonder, there is so little international cooperation between the parties.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #707 on: June 24, 2019, 07:21:40 am »

Not only that, but their colours are also confusing.
Red has been traditionally a communist colour. In Canada, Liberals use bright red colour and the conservatives a blue colour. No wonder, there is so little international cooperation between the parties.

The red color is effective, attractive and "revolutionary"
Both the NSDAP and the communists chose these colors for their banners.
Not necessarily a sign of political ideology (right or left)
Now the Nazis are almost extinct and the left are the only "reds" left (pun not intended)
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #708 on: June 24, 2019, 07:56:05 am »

50 years ago Americans interchangeably called the communists "Reds".  Such as "The reds behind the iron curtain."  Also "Red CHina"  or "The Red Army" although you don;t hear that today about China even though they still are.  What did they call them in Europe?

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #709 on: June 24, 2019, 08:03:14 am »

And our "neutral" media decided they didn't want the left to be branded as reds, so they started printing maps showing Republicans as red and Democrats as blue. This was a gross mischaracterization, but it fit their fake news purposes.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #710 on: June 24, 2019, 08:03:41 am »

The Nazis are far from extinct.

The rise of the ultra-right across the first world shows that relatively clearly.

You have it in Britain, in Italy, In France, in Spain and in more European countries and Lord knows you have it in the States!

It renewed its public face with the onset of the Middle Eastern and African civil commotions and the resultant refugees, because it finally had a tangible fact that all but the wilfully blind could not avoid seeing: the changing face of the city streets and the people trying to ride trucks and trains and boats and well, probably not 'planes, to cross into Europe. In France, those refugees wise enough to know that the UK is an even softer touch, with thousands of liberal whites screaming against scanning uninvited guests, did and still do their best to get across the Channel into England. An added advantage they have is the already huge population of non-whites, a diaspora of black and brown within which all who enter illegally have little trouble disappearing, and then re-emerging with brand new identities, should they so desire, rather than stay "invisibly lost" in the crowd.

In France, at the ferry terminal ports, some locals feed these people and encourage them. Of course they do! The better their health and the fitter they are, the sooner and more able they will be to get the hell out of France and into the UK! There's nothing humanitarian about it - it's clear self-interest in moving their problem next door.

No, one cannot deny them their right to want a better life; one can deny them the ability to drop in uninvited. Recent stirs about London no longer being a "British" city, as in a white one, shows just how divided the country has become, with those with poor sight (alluded to above) chanting that 'tis not so, despite the evidence that those who live there see every day.

Unfortunately, that has all beome entangled with the idea that Brexit will supply the solution, when in fact it is totally irrelevant, as anybody who has looked at it coldly, knows. Refugee rights are limited to the first safe state of entry, so they are legally obliged to stay, for example, in Turkey, in Italy, in Greece or even Spain. They don't ride an inflatable from North Africa along the Atlantic and onto British beaches!

They clearly have no intentions of staying where they first hit "safety".

It's a deep problem, and I honestly believe it's going to end in those forseen rivers of blood.

Rob
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #711 on: June 24, 2019, 08:05:45 am »

And our "neutral" media decided they didn't want the left to be branded as reds, so they started printing maps showing Republicans as red and Democrats as blue. This was a gross mischaracterization, but it fit their fake news purposes.

Yeah, when did that start.  I just noticed it recently and thought that the press made it up that way.  Democrats should be "red".  I agree. 

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« Reply #712 on: June 24, 2019, 08:13:55 am »

The Nazis are far from extinct.

The rise of the ultra-right across the first world shows that relatively clearly.

You have it in Britain, in Italy, In France, in Spain and in more European countries and Lord knows you have it in the States!

It renewed its public face with the onset of the Middle Eastern and African civil commotions and the resultant refugees, because it finally had a tangible fact that all but the wilfully blind could not avoid seeing: the changing face of the city streets and the people trying to ride trucks and trains and boats and well, probably not 'planes, to cross into Europe. In France, those refugees wise enough to know that the UK is an even softer touch, with thousands of liberal whites screaming against scanning uninvited guests, did and still do their best to get across the Channel into England. An added advantage they have is the already huge population of non-whites, a diaspora of black and brown within which all who enter illegally have little trouble disappearing, and then re-emerging with brand new identities, should they so desire, rather than stay "invisibly lost" in the crowd.

In France, at the ferry terminal ports, some locals feed these people and encourage them. Of course they do! The better their health and the fitter they are, the sooner and more able they will be to get the hell out of France and into the UK! There's nothing humanitarian about it - it's clear self-interest in moving their problem next door.

No, one cannot deny them their right to want a better life; one can deny them the ability to drop in uninvited. Recent stirs about London no longer being a "British" city, as in a white one, shows just how divided the country has become, with those with poor sight (alluded to above) chanting that 'tis not so, despite the evidence that those who live there see every day.

It's a deep problem, and I honestly believe it's going to end in those forseen rivers of blood.

Rob


Isn't that one of the main arguments for Brexit?  It seems you're conflicted. 

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #713 on: June 24, 2019, 09:01:08 am »

The Nazis are far from extinct.

The rise of the ultra-right across the first world shows that relatively clearly.


It depends to what degree of precision you call anybody "Nazi"
You can call Nazi a person who at their time followed that ideology
Or you can call Nazi anybody with racist traits.
Or if not racist, maybe xenophobe. Or homophobe or whateverphobe.
Just a Boo-Word to define an enemy and make it easily identifiable.
Then the Nazis are far from extinct. Under special circumstances anybody can become a nazi of this kind.
But what I was talking about is colors.
Rightist (NSDAP) and Leftists (socialists to communists) chose red as their color.
It's not what others called them but what color they chose.

It's just a color.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #714 on: June 24, 2019, 09:03:22 am »

Rob, as I'm sure you're fully aware, NAZI translates as "National SOCIALIST German Worker's" party. In spite of the unfortunately successful attempts of our news media to hang that label on the right, in fact it's just another left-wing socialist title.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #715 on: June 24, 2019, 09:13:39 am »

Rob, as I'm sure you're fully aware, NAZI translates as "National SOCIALIST German Worker's" party. In spite of the unfortunately successful attempts of our news media to hang that label on the right, in fact it's just another left-wing socialist title.
You are right. But it is not less national than socialist.
It is not "international". It is a "local" - ideology, they didn't speak of "struggle of classes".
That's what Hitler wanted. To make Germany great again. (no ugly comparisons intended, but that was it) after WWI, Versailles, humiliation and the stab-in-the-back legend.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #716 on: June 24, 2019, 09:17:46 am »

Ah, but it was socialism at work, Rab. With socialism you always end up with a dictator, even though, as in Venezuela the dictator pretends to hold elections.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #717 on: June 24, 2019, 09:21:55 am »

Rob, as I'm sure you're fully aware, NAZI translates as "National SOCIALIST German Worker's" party. In spite of the unfortunately successful attempts of our news media to hang that label on the right, in fact it's just another left-wing socialist title.

Well Russ, perhaps because the right includes skin heads and white nationalists who use Nazi emblems as part of their identity, and who support your beloved Donald. Funny how socialism is good when it's for whites only.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #718 on: June 24, 2019, 09:31:44 am »

Most of the violence in America is coming from the "left".  On campus violence to shutdown viewpoints of others who the left disagrees with is a common example.


Even before in the 1960's and 1970's, left-wing organizations like The Black Liberation Army, Symbionese Liberation Army, Weathermen, etc. were extremely violent blowing up bombs and killing people and cops.   The Nazi party was rather sedate doing little comparably.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/days-rage-1970s-americas-homegrown-violent-bomb-setting-radical-underground

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« Reply #719 on: June 24, 2019, 09:42:09 am »

Well Russ, perhaps because the right includes skin heads and white nationalists who use Nazi emblems as part of their identity, and who support your beloved Donald. Funny how socialism is good when it's for whites only.

There are just as many "wackos" on the left who are violent and support regular politicians like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.  The problem is America has two parties only.  So you have to select one of them.  So each party gets a bad wrap from the outlier groups who should all be in jail.  But 98% of the people are not in these groups or care about their politics.  The average person cares about their taxes, how can they afford to send their kid to college, health care, war, and where they're going to spend their vacation this year.  Of course the liberal anti Trump press always tries to make the links to smear the Republicans.  When a leftist does violence, ,they quickly change the subject to gun control.   
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