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GUUUUUUUUNZ
« on: April 05, 2019, 02:11:35 pm »

This was made in a funnel, in emulation of Weston's Pepper #30.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2019, 02:35:10 pm »

These remarks pertain to the USA, although our global friends may enjoy them, it must of necessity be at a slight remove.

Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 2: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Entrenched in these words is the idea of individual liberty, the right of each of us, one by one, to seek out what it best for us and ours. Entrenched in these words is the idea that the government should at no time and in no way attempt to restrict our individual freedoms, our individual search, our individual labors. Ours is a nation built, the idea goes, on the efforts of individuals. The west was won by steely-gazed men with Colt pistols and strong-willed horses.

Whether the second amendment is really about militias, privately owned guns, or donuts does not matter. We have internalized it as a central idea of gun ownership as American. Some deplore it, and some approve it; all agree that it's deeply American. The myths and legends of the American West helped entrench these ideas, our heroes are soldiers, sharpshooters, experts with the rifle or the pistol.

Sergeant Alvin York is famous as the pacifist who became a war hero, because of his skill with guns. A pacifist. They made at least one movie about him.

Guns, guns are just tools. They're things. They're not more dangerous than chainsaws, or cars, or fire, or poison. Wags are fond of saying "guns don't kill people, people do" or sometimes "bullets do" or something.

In a literal way, these things are true, but the deeper truth is that whoever says this is looking for a way to not talk about what it is that kills people. Guns kill people in a lot of ways, but the uniquely American way they kill is enabled by their power as a fetish object. Little kids raised on videos are fascinated with Dad's gun. Unhinged men collect the things and purchase gimmicks to enable them to shoot them more efficiently. The suicidal snuggle their gun, the solution to all of their problems except one.

The trouble arises not with gun use or gun proliferation, it arises when someone gets the idea that the answer is embodied in the gun. Perhaps the answer is to put the gun to his own head, or to shoot his girlfriend, or his dog, or a whole batch of people at a concert. Perhaps the answer is to shoot that cop, or that perp, or that enemy.

The Gun enables me to choose. The Gun enables me to make choices that are denied to people who do not possess The Gun.

In this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You: dig.

Those with loaded guns do not dig, those with running cars do have jobs, those with money make the rules for everyone without it.

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2019, 04:20:15 pm »

Start 'em young.

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2019, 08:16:57 pm »

Amendment 2: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. . . .

Whether the second amendment is really about militias, privately owned guns, or donuts does not matter.

Actually, it matters a great deal.

For many years, there was an extended debate among legal scholars, echoed in a number of appellate cases, about whether the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution, adopted in 1791, referred to a private right to possess firearms or to a collective right that could only be exercised by a militia—such as the federally-chartered reserve military organizations maintained by the individual states (the "National Guard").  Prior to 2008, I think the weight of legal opinion was that the provision was intended to refer to the latter.

That year, in an appeal captioned District of Coumbia v. Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court adopted the opposite interpretation, invalidating a Washington, D.C. local law that effectively prohibited personal possession of firearms, ruling that

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the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful fire­ arm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualified from the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the Dis­trict must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.  (Opinion of the Court, p. 64.)

In subsequent litigation, the Supreme Court extended to the states the constitutional principle that possession of firearms was a personal rather than a collective right.  (For those reading this from other countries, I should point out that the District of Columbia, as the national capital, is an enclave of the federal government, and therefore Heller did not directly address the authority of the individual states to ban firearms.)

This case law settled the fundamental constitutional issue.  However, both the federal government and the states retain broad discretion—precisely how broad will probably need to be determined by future litigation—to regulate firearms.  What is clear is that neither can pass laws that explicitly or implicitly ban gun possession by individuals.

How much regulation there will be in the future is essentially a political issue which, I suspect, will be determined on a state-by-state basis rather than by the federal government.  The United States is a huge and very diverse country.  Gun control laws and regulations that make sense to the voters in Maryland, where I live, may seem ludicrous to voters in Montana.  And vice versa.

There may be some areas where Congress will pass new legislation for the entire country—for example, to close some loopholes in the federal gun registration requirements or to regulate additional types of rapid-firing weapons and large magazines or accumulations of ammunition.  But getting a national consensus on the proper extent of gun control has proved extremely elusive, and absent a considerable shift in public opinion it appears to me that these decisions will largely be left to the states.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2019, 08:26:02 pm »

The point is that it doesn't matter culturally. The attitudes of people in Montana toward the 2nd amendment are not predicated particularly on case law or other legal doctrine, but on other rather squishier factors.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2019, 12:11:33 am »

Self Portrait.


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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2019, 03:25:54 am »

Illustration for a book.

Selfie with my .44 Ruger Redhawk 10"

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2019, 08:00:38 am »

 Jus added this little beauty to my collection. Lockup and action are like a Swiss watch. These were discontinued by Colt in 1985 due to the very high production costs which resulted in extremely high sales prices. Rumor has it they will reintroduce The Python next year but I fear the old school talent has been replaced by CNC programmers.

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2019, 05:12:41 pm »

Jus added this little beauty to my collection. Lockup and action are like a Swiss watch. These were discontinued by Colt in 1985 due to the very high production costs which resulted in extremely high sales prices. Rumor has it they will reintroduce The Python next year but I fear the old school talent has been replaced by CNC programmers.


I understand you're feeling about the old school talent. I was lucky to be able to pick up a Gold Cup MKIV Series 70, Factory tuned (must be +20 y ago) The only thing I changed was the sear spring for a Les Bears,  polished by myself. (I should have given the piece a better cleaning before taking it's picture...)

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2019, 07:41:52 am »

 Great piece and a great shot! The B&W works very well for it. I worked in a large gun shop here in CT off & on in the 70's, 80's, 90's. True to those times, I like many, were too enamored of the S&W M29  :). I also remember guys buying the Gold Cups and totally ignoring the fact that it was sprung for 185 WC mid rage ammo, they started running hot .45's through them and pounded many to the point of uselessness.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2019, 09:15:43 am »

 And here's another from a couple years back. It's a Pedersoli repro of the Sharps Rifle that was featured in the movie "Quigley Down Under". The wide range tang rear sight was added by me. In most respects it's the same as the one used in the movie, 34 inch barrel, double set triggers, etc. I did opt for the .45-70 over the movie's .45-110 as you can not safely use modern smokeless powders in anything larger that the -70 in that caliber (or so my research told me). I did not want to have to mess about with all the cleaning etc. that is a must when using black powder.

Recoil is very mild given the weight of this thing and it's a hoot on the steel gongs set out at 200, 500, yards. This was just a quick shot of it taken on my kitchen table, I could not resist getting the fringed suede cover for it.

Turns out there is a whole following for this type of shooting with the World Series equivalent match being held in Montana and it's called The Quigley. It attracts shooters from the world over to compete. Online there are cartridge belts etc. that are copies of the one Tom Selleck wore in the film as well.

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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2019, 03:28:52 pm »

And here's another from a couple years back. It's a Pedersoli repro of the Sharps Rifle that was featured in the movie "Quigley Down Under". The wide range tang rear sight was added by me. In most respects it's the same as the one used in the movie, 34 inch barrel, double set triggers, etc. I did opt for the .45-70 over the movie's .45-110 as you can not safely use modern smokeless powders in anything larger that the -70 in that caliber (or so my research told me). I did not want to have to mess about with all the cleaning etc. that is a must when using black powder.

Recoil is very mild given the weight of this thing and it's a hoot on the steel gongs set out at 200, 500, yards. This was just a quick shot of it taken on my kitchen table, I could not resist getting the fringed suede cover for it.

Turns out there is a whole following for this type of shooting with the World Series equivalent match being held in Montana and it's called The Quigley. It attracts shooters from the world over to compete. Online there are cartridge belts etc. that are copies of the one Tom Selleck wore in the film as well.


Ha, we have the same gun taste, I have a 45-70 gvt as well, and did we say S&W?:

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2019, 03:29:44 pm »

Is someone recognizing this .22?

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2019, 06:12:52 pm »

 Browning Medalist??
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2019, 10:26:41 pm »

Kind of surprising to me that when most all of you think of a gun, you post a photo of a pistol.   I'm from the Northern Plains/West and my thoughts always go to either a rifle or a shotgun.  I do own two pistols--a very small Sig Sauer .380 which I bought a year ago (and have yet to even fire ;D ) and a Ruger .22/.22 magnum revolver that I sometimes hunt squirrels with.  Other than that about 90% of my time with a gun is hunting ducks/pheasants/geese with a shotgun, and the other 9% is spent hunting antelope (or sometimes deer or elk) with a .30-06 rifle.  For a life long outdoors guy like me, my first thoughts always go to a rifle.


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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2019, 04:07:54 am »

Browning Medalist??

Almost!!!!

It’s a FN Medalist.
Brownings patent made in Belgium in the famous FN factory.
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2019, 04:11:53 am »

Kind of surprising to me that when most all of you think of a gun, you post a photo of a pistol.   I'm from the Northern Plains/West and my thoughts always go to either a rifle or a shotgun.  I do own two pistols--a very small Sig Sauer .380 which I bought a year ago (and have yet to even fire ;D ) and a Ruger .22/.22 magnum revolver that I sometimes hunt squirrels with.  Other than that about 90% of my time with a gun is hunting ducks/pheasants/geese with a shotgun, and the other 9% is spent hunting antelope (or sometimes deer or elk) with a .30-06 rifle.  For a life long outdoors guy like me, my first thoughts always go to a rifle.


Kent in SD
I had a Ruger m77 in .243Win and still owning a 45-70 gvt and a winchester 30-30 lever. But, I was target shooter at 25m with revolver and Pistol, and 100m with rifle,not a hunter.
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2019, 09:09:55 am »

 Hi Kent, I am also a serious long range shooter although not a hunter. My current "reach out and touch someone" rig is a Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua and topped with a Premiere Reticle scope and Richard Near muzzle break. Again, between the weight of the rig and the action of the muzzle break the recoil is very manageable.

The downside is the terrific muzzle blast that is directed to the sides by the muzzle break. I generally try to get a table far away from other shooters so as not to hammer them, it has, on occasion flipped over some 1/2 full styro coffee cups on adjacent benches. I'm using Lapua brass with 300 Gr. Lapua SCENAR projectiles. These run supersonic out to about 1800 yards or so.

The other obvious downside is the cost, it cost me over 200 bucks for 100 EMPTY Lapua cases!! Add that to the projectile cost and 70-80 grains of powder and you've got some pricey reloads. Oh well, I didn't get into this to save $$
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2019, 09:48:04 am »

Hi Kent, I am also a serious long range shooter although not a hunter. My current "reach out and touch someone" rig is a Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua and topped with a Premiere Reticle scope and Richard Near muzzle break. Again, between the weight of the rig and the action of the muzzle break the recoil is very manageable.

The downside is the terrific muzzle blast that is directed to the sides by the muzzle break. I generally try to get a table far away from other shooters so as not to hammer them, it has, on occasion flipped over some 1/2 full styro coffee cups on adjacent benches. I'm using Lapua brass with 300 Gr. Lapua SCENAR projectiles. These run supersonic out to about 1800 yards or so.




Why not put a suppressor on it?  I was quoted a price of $800 to put one on my
30-06.


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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2019, 10:02:10 am »

I have enjoyed collecting BB/pellet/airsoft replica guns and often use them as photo/video subjects.  This helps me to learn about photography and videography as well as learning how to handle various guns.  Plus they are fun to shoot in my garage!  Here's an example of a video I made with my Cowboy six shooter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo8qYW12ifA&t=26s
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