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The arts and cultural sector contributed over $763.6 billion to the American economy in 2015—more than the agriculture, transportation, or warehousing sectors, according to new U.S. government data released Tuesday by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) and the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA).

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-arts-sector-contributed-7636-billion-economy-agriculture-transportation?fbclid=IwAR2ocQsLFILnax6SO6T3I47sn2vmfxftjkuPEohID9glA8c0vcOTRgSZNPo

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That is a very impressive number - $763.6 billion.
But why it takes 3 years to summarize and publish such a report?
 
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Rob C

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But at the end of the report, they appear rather defensive...

I always think of these "reports" as part of some wider scam; an influencer on funding of some sort, a means of creating an impact greater than that of the things themselves.

The arts have always had a cap-in-hand kind of relationship with governments, a kind of subliminal confession that, of themselves, they are incapable of broad survival and must therefore be funded beyond their own ability to provide nurture. Of course, the main players need none of this, but are not going to close the door on any gratuitous spin-off benefit that may come their way. We, as photographers, make much of Frank's The Americans, but remember that it only came about because of grant money. There was no voracious appetite out there for such works. Avendon's In the American West came about because of art institute funding over several years, apparently to the tune of half-a-million dollars. Coud he, would he have done it of his own accord?

Perhaps the grim reality is that few really need the arts in the first place, the only worthwhile ones perhaps being industrial design and advertising, the rest but minor conceits. If that sounds a bit over the top, I, for one, have lived for years without setting foot in a cinema, miss it not at all, and find that I watch very few tv thriller series at home, most of the few I do being foreign, and those not on the tv set but on the iPad. Comedians I can't stand, finding most of them now spectacularly unfunny. British cop shows I actively avoid. It's the voices - just like the Brit versions of rock 'n' roll that we used to be fed in the 50s because of the musicians' union disputes... The BBC (on 4) does some great art programmes, and those I enjoy a lot, but do many other people in Britan or is it just a minority interest even today? Does being on BBC 4 of itself condemn it to the sidelines?

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Rob, humans have been creating arts long before governments and funding were even a thing. Why do we need to fund arts then? Well, why do we need to plant seeds for plants to grow, when it would grow spontaneously anyway? Because the yield is better than otherwise. Arts need funding not because it couldn’t exist without it, but because that existence is bigger and better with it.

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Great to see, though not surprising that the movie and broadcasting industries are major contributors to the numbers.

Most folks exhaust themselves working to sustain a decent life and as such the appreciation of "serious" art is often an added effort that is relegated to the bottom of a list. Unfortunately art is increasingly regarded with political suspicion, contributing yet more to the questionable relevance of the need for it. Still, as government funding of arts education programs continues, let us assume the sky hasn't fallen.

As for "The Americans," it seems there's a tenth edition. And "In The American West" is on a fourth edition, I think. Not bad for serious photography books. Patronage of the arts goes way back, nothing new there.

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Lotsa folks use Kickstarter campaigns, Patreon accounts & similar to raise funds for their creative endeavors. These means aren't without their issues but they can work well. I don't object to the NEA & such, but I do like knowing that some of my $$ go directly to particular creatives whose work I enjoy and admire.

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Art doesn't create wealth. It simply results in the transfer of wealth from one person, or group, to another, when a sale is made. The wealth that is transferred is created through practical activities, such as growing food, building roads and houses, constructing cars and TV sets and all sorts of appliances which are necessary for our standard of living.

Art is essentially entertainment and fiction, although it can be combined with educational or documentary projects to make them more appealing. However, quite often the artistic element disguises or covers up the truth. A film based upon a true story tends to distort the truth for the sake of the entertainment value which assists in the transfer of money from the relatively poor, ordinary person, to the ridiculously rich film stars.

Of course, the emotional need for entertainment, or joy and inspiration from the appreciation of amazing photos or paintings, is a real need, just as the need for tasty food is real, and causes massive amounts of obesity.  ;)

Hope I'm not being too controversial.  ;D
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... Hope I'm not being too controversial.  ;D

Not at all. Just plain silly.

So, in your view, art is just a transfer of wealth? If I buy a Picasso for $20 million, you are saying the painter or owner of the painting is wealthier by $20 million, but I, the buyer, am poorer for $20 million? Because that is what "transfer" means. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

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Not at all. Just plain silly.

So, in your view, art is just a transfer of wealth? If I buy a Picasso for $20 million, you are saying the painter or owner of the painting is wealthier by $20 million, but I, the buyer, am poorer for $20 million? Because that is what "transfer" means. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

If you buy a painting from the painter, for whatever price, then the painter is definitely wealthier.
Whether or not you are poorer will not be known until you sell the painting, but in the meantime you have less money at your disposal. The modern economy doesn't work like a bartering system.

If you buy a movie ticket, that ticket has no value after you've used it. You've definitely transferred a small portion of your wealth to the movie industry, which of course, with millions of other ticket purchases, sustains all the workers in the movie industry, and makes a few individuals extremely rich at the expense of a very slight reduction in wealth of each individual ticket purchaser.

In the case of an art work with a generally recognized value, such as a Picasso or an ancient sculpture, the possession is equivalent to transferring or exchanging some of your funds into another currency, or placing them in a fixed term deposit. Unless the art work is a fake, it will likely retain its value and hopefully increase in value over time, just as money in a fixed term deposit does.

However, none of this contributes to the overall, average prosperity of the world at large, except perhaps indirectly in a psychological sense. Perhaps some people are motivated to work extra hard in their practical jobs so they can eventually fulfill their dream to own a Picasso.  ;)
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Rob, humans have been creating arts long before governments and funding were even a thing. Why do we need to fund arts then? Well, why do we need to plant seeds for plants to grow, when it would grow spontaneously anyway? Because the yield is better than otherwise. Arts need funding not because it couldn’t exist without it, but because that existence is bigger and better with it.


And there you state the flaw: it leads to genetic modification and political pressure, as now, from the US trying to strong-arm future trade deals with Britain and Europe by insisting it buy American chlorine-washed chickens and GM crops that neither Britain nor Europe desire. If we did, we would long have been using our own; we are not exactly laggards in science.

It's not that the world can't produce enough food (remember the mountains of grain and olive oil and wine?) to feed itself, but that it won't distribute it at prices that all can afford to avoid the starvation we see around us and have shoved in our faces by charities every single day. The food's there, can be grown, but the desire to make much more money from it that need be is too strong. Even in places like Britain, farmers have a tough time selling their produce at profit, yet the supemarkets make zillions. If there is nothing to be seen as out of kilter there, then I'm a Dutchman.

And applying such concepts to art, as is the inevitable situation when galleries find themselves making decisions as to whom to champion and which trends to create and to back, we end up with the crap and excesses that exist today, designed for the commercial good of said galleries and owners and, of course, auction houses.

Ray's right about the high value prices in art: they represent a hedge against currency fluctuations. Here, in Mallorca, the area around the capital, Palma, ran out of multi-million pound houses for sale to people dumping their exposure to pounds sterling because of Brexit pressures in the currency.

Movies and football: people with not a lot else going for them beyond the physical ability to look sexually desirable and play a part until they get it right in the case of the former, and the ability to kick an object in a given direction in the other, amass vast sums of money derived from relatively small payments made by people going to the movies or watching at home, with television pouring zillions into football in order to get high viewing figures and to sell on through the subscription channels. That any of those people contribute anything that I can ever find of value to myself is debatable, other than yes, I did snap Brigitte and the pix did me no harm in my portfolio at the time. Today, younger peope have no idea what she was or represented. Frankly, there is nobody around today that matches the fame, in their time, of the old stars. All is devalued by the very system that constantly pushes for new, not better.

It's what you get with the culture.
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Art doesn't create wealth. It simply results in the transfer of wealth from one person, or group, to another, when a sale is made.


What? ???

I believe that the value of a Picasso is much more then the canvas and paint that went to create it.  If wealth is truly not created by art, this would not be the case. 

Same thing with music.  The songs of any popular musician are worth more then the cost of the instruments and recording equipment. 

When I get paid for a shoot, my images are then used to market the firm's service or product to gain more clients or market share typically more valuable then what they paid me. 
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What art contributes to a society goes far beyond any monetary consideration.
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What? ???

I believe that the value of a Picasso is much more then the canvas and paint that went to create it.  If wealth is truly not created by art, this would not be the case. 


Provided we're talking about the value of a recognized work of art, such as a Picasso, and other lesser works of art which have an advertised price, then of course the value is likely much more than the cost of the canvas and paint, although it's possible that an artist who is starving and in desperate need of cash, might sell his painting for less than the cost of the materials he used to create the painting.

A similar principle applies to a $100 bank note. It's value is worth far more than the cost of the materials used to print the note.

However, the point I'm making is that the printing of bank notes, and the creation of elaborate, artistic designs on the bank notes, will not of itself create more wealth, otherwise every country in the world could raise its living standards by just printing more money.

The Picasso painting is the equivalent of a million dollar bank note, which hopefully for the owner, will not gradually decrease in value as a million dollars worth of real banknotes will tend to do, in accordance with the rate of inflation.
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What art contributes to a society goes far beyond any monetary consideration.

Do you mean, a bit like religion, or spirituality, Russ? If so, I would agree. However, these factors are not noted for contributing to the economy.
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The issue with the article is that the "research" is being used by the NEA to push getting more government funding for it.  Since the NEA supports more liberal viewpoints in it's "art" presentations, there is political opposition to it from more conservative people.  That's the main issue with government funding art, at least in the US.

It also tries to make the link that without the NEA, all those hundreds of millions spent on art would disappear.  That's far from the truth.  The NEA only has a very tiny budget.  Most artwork is supported privately or through museums and other non-profits.  In ancient times, everyone was poor except for a few very rich and government or church.  So government supported much of a nation's art.  That's not the case today.  There's private wealth and people rich enough to buy all sorts of artwork, from $100 framed photos, to Picasso paintings auctioned in Sotheby's for millions.  Government is not involved.  We don't need the government unless you're an artist who can't sell privately and have a connection to someone in the organization who can get you funding for your project.  Just more government corruption.

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The issue with the article is that the "research" is being used by the NEA to push getting more government funding for it.  Since the NEA supports more liberal viewpoints in it's "art" presentations, there is political opposition to it from more conservative people.  That's the main issue with government funding art, at least in the US.

This sounds like biased conjecture on your part, until you can prove it. I presume that you're referring to a few grants of trivial amounts to avant garde arists in which you have no interest. How about symphony orchestras and opera houses? How about community theatres? Children's dance and drama classes? Are they all full of god-forbid, "liberals"?

But leaving aside that pointless discussion, it's an incomplete analysis to only include tax money spent on the arts. Do governments spend too much on the arts? How long is a piece of string?

How much money do governments spend to entice pro sport teams to come to a city, or to provide tax incentives to Amazon to move somewhere (as if Amazon needs the help). All of these industry sectors produce goods and services that factor into GDP. People make and buy stuff from one another. A large part of what we buy and sell to each other these days falls outside the categories of food and shelter. Should government spend money on any of that? If you're saying that the NEA should not give money to some far-out artist of which you happen to disapprove, cool, but shouldn't the government stop subsidizing Boeing, or pro NFL teams, or Amazon too. I know this sounds like silly "what aboutism" but why do taxpayers have to subsidize Amazon in a supposed free market economy?

But go ahead, close down all the museums and libraries and public archives. What good are they.
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This sounds like biased conjecture on your part, until you can prove it. I presume that you're referring to a few grants of trivial amounts to avant garde arists in which you have no interest. How about symphony orchestras and opera houses? How about community theatres? Children's dance and drama classes? Are they all full of god-forbid, "liberals"?

But leaving aside that pointless discussion, it's an incomplete analysis to only include tax money spent on the arts. Do governments spend too much on the arts? How long is a piece of string?

How much money do governments spend to entice pro sport teams to come to a city, or to provide tax incentives to Amazon to move somewhere (as if Amazon needs the help). All of these industry sectors produce goods and services that factor into GDP. People make and buy stuff from one another. A large part of what we buy and sell to each other these days falls outside the categories of food and shelter. Should government spend money on any of that? If you're saying that the NEA should not give money to some far-out artist of which you happen to disapprove, cool, but shouldn't the government stop subsidizing Boeing, or pro NFL teams, or Amazon too. I know this sounds like silly "what aboutism" but why do taxpayers have to subsidize Amazon in a supposed free market economy?

But go ahead, close down all the museums and libraries and public archives. What good are they.


Frankly, I think they should stop subsidising some of those giants who, in a way, are bigger than the governments that give them subs. But hey, we get into politics, buying votes and associated rotten flesh. How many kids got shot last year because of some of those lobbies and their sway on government? My favourite swamp pop rock station is currently advertising two shooting events in Louisiana, one of them under the spur of upholding the right to bear arms... I wonder why you need that added carrot to attract people to your gun sales show? Is it fear that drives, just like Brexit, maybe? The other one simply invites you to come shoot clay pigeons and provide your own guns, shells and safety equipment and offers a shotgun as a prize. Seems fair enough, and not pushing some political agenda; it could even be thought a sport. At least it doesn't kill anything with feathers or fur.

In light of the mass murders in New Zealand, I watched the political head honcho tell the press that this time, they were going to resolve NZ gun laws...right, just as in America.

Art, unfortunately, is not sport. Billions of people watch football, golf, racing and almost anything else that can be watched from your couch or in the company of screaming fans. Art doesn't tick those boxes; rather, as Ray pointed out, where it counts, it's a hedge against currency, just like real estate beyond a certain point of value. Unless you can play these kinds of games or are already blessed/cursed with an artistic soul, art isn't going to do a lot for your juices and drive you to galleries and museums.

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To clarify my position, I do think that governments should help to fund museums and art centers for the education of the public, if such places are currently lacking. Imagine a fairly large city with a million tax-paying workers. If just one dollar per year were taken from each worker to help fund a museum and art center, that would amount to a million dollars per year for the operation and maintenance of the museum and art center.

Those who are not interested in art, and prefer football, should not have any sensible reason to complain about just one dollar per year (or even 2 or 3 dollars per year) of their taxation being syphoned off to assist in the display of art and museum relics.
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This sounds like biased conjecture on your part, until you can prove it. I presume that you're referring to a few grants of trivial amounts to avant garde arists in which you have no interest. How about symphony orchestras and opera houses? How about community theatres? Children's dance and drama classes? Are they all full of god-forbid, "liberals"?

But leaving aside that pointless discussion, it's an incomplete analysis to only include tax money spent on the arts. Do governments spend too much on the arts? How long is a piece of string?

How much money do governments spend to entice pro sport teams to come to a city, or to provide tax incentives to Amazon to move somewhere (as if Amazon needs the help). All of these industry sectors produce goods and services that factor into GDP. People make and buy stuff from one another. A large part of what we buy and sell to each other these days falls outside the categories of food and shelter. Should government spend money on any of that? If you're saying that the NEA should not give money to some far-out artist of which you happen to disapprove, cool, but shouldn't the government stop subsidizing Boeing, or pro NFL teams, or Amazon too. I know this sounds like silly "what aboutism" but why do taxpayers have to subsidize Amazon in a supposed free market economy?

But go ahead, close down all the museums and libraries and public archives. What good are they.
The prestigious Metropolitan Museum of Art (The Met) in NYC is 90% funding through private means.  10% or so by the government of NYC not the Federal government that funds the NEA.  There are around 150 museums in NYC.  The NEA I'm sure supports very little of these.  Most art, museums, etc are privately financed in the USA.   If government funding stopped tomorrow, art would continue just fine.  The issue is not government supporting some obscure artist.  It's that they fund media programs that unequally support many liberal issues regarding such things as climate change, carbon, social programs, etc.   COnservative viewpoints are marginalized.   Those things should be left to the people's representatives in Congress to decide, not a quasi public entity like the NEA run by liberals and leftists. 

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COnservative viewpoints are marginalized.

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