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National Parks Article
« on: December 31, 2018, 07:19:54 pm »

Just found this:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/national-parks-dealing-with-vandals-human-waste-in-shutdown/ar-BBREZHN

Sometimes wonder why PEOPLE act like Animals?
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Re: National Parks Article
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 09:48:44 pm »

When you gotta go, you gotta go.  If the toilets are closed, where are you supposed to go?   

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 01:40:24 am »

Just found this:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/national-parks-dealing-with-vandals-human-waste-in-shutdown/ar-BBREZHN

Sometimes wonder why PEOPLE act like Animals?

Because people are animals. What else could they be? Or am I now straying into a political or religious debate.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 07:31:51 am »

When you gotta go, you gotta go.  If the toilets are closed, where are you supposed to go?   
Maybe not to a National Park where you know the toilets are closed.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 07:47:53 am »

Just hook up your Motorman's Friend of Stadium Pal and take off into the park.
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Re: National Parks Article
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2019, 09:16:16 am »

Go before you leave home or hotel? Routine is golden. It's what Kellogs were invented to solve.

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 10:16:43 am »

Go before you leave home or hotel? Routine is golden. It's what Kellogs were invented to solve.

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Sure, but not everyone can hold it.  People make plans for vacation and travel.  What are they suppose to do, cancel them because the government decided not to fund itself at the last minute?  Some parks are apparently handling the issue better than others.  When its over, they'll just have to clean up the mess.

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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2019, 10:57:11 am »

What are they suppose to do, cancel them because the government decided not to fund itself at the last minute?
If it means having to deficate in the woods, I think cancelling your vacation plans would be a reasonable option.
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2019, 11:53:24 am »

If it means having to deficate in the woods, I think cancelling your vacation plans would be a reasonable option.

If I spent $8000 on air fares, hotels, rental car reservations, I'm not going to cancel my plans.  Who would?  In any case, how do you know that there are no facilities?  The article says that depending on the park, conditions are better or worse.  Until you get there, you don't know what the actual and current situation is.

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2019, 11:58:28 am »

If I spent $8000 on air fares, hotels, rental car reservations, I'm not going to cancel my plans.  Who would?
Someone who didn't want to spend his vacation defecating in the woods?
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2019, 12:15:28 pm »

What’s wrong with it? Back to the nature, people! It is much better to do it in the woods, fresh air, birds chirping, sunlight streaming through the canopy, than on the streets of San Francisco 😉
« Last Edit: January 01, 2019, 12:31:47 pm by Slobodan Blagojevic »
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Re: National Parks Article
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2019, 12:30:46 pm »

You think the bears and wolves care about the government shutdown?
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2019, 01:39:15 pm »

Someone who didn't want to spend his vacation defecating in the woods?

No problem, Fab. What you do is put your feet against the base of a small tree, grab hold of the tree, and lean back. Everything comes out all right in the end. Just be careful which leaves you wipe with.
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2019, 02:12:07 pm »

Just found this:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/national-parks-dealing-with-vandals-human-waste-in-shutdown/ar-BBREZHN

Sometimes wonder why PEOPLE act like Animals?
They need to read https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Shit-Woods-Environmentally-Approach/dp/1580083633&ved=2ahUKEwjfzfmHpM3fAhWyUhUIHcnSCVoQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1QbAaVV_QWuS4KrJDMPiTg
You buy a small digging implement, dig a hole and then fill it in afterwards, if safe burn the toilet paper otherwise bury.
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Re: National Parks Article
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2019, 08:56:06 am »

Yosemite is certainly getting trashed with toilet paper everywhere- sad.  Also there is no resource protection.  You want to drive your big truck in the meadows go ahead.  So much for the Merced River's wild and scenic status. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2019, 03:25:36 pm »

With a small shovel or garden trowel, dig a hole at least 200 feet away (or around 70 adult paces) away from water, trails and campsites. Dig the hole six to eight inches deep and four to six inches wide. Once you’ve finished your business, cover the hole with soil, leaves and sticks so animals don’t get in there.

https://globalnews.ca/news/1442972/how-to-poop-in-the-woods/
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2019, 07:34:45 pm »

What’s wrong with it? Back to the nature, people! It is much better to do it in the woods...

That assumes that there ARE woods.  What about places where there are none?  (and they are many)

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Re: National Parks Article
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2019, 12:36:45 am »

In 1971 my wife and I signed up for a Sierra Club "High Light" trip, two weeks in the upper elevations of Sequoia and Kings Canyons National Parks. Most of the time we were well above tree line (highest point: 13,200 feet), with duffel carried by mules, about 60 people all together including staff.

At every camp site the leaders instructed volunteers on building two shielded privies, one for men and one for women. When we moved on, the privies and all other evidence of our camping were buried and cleaned well enough so that nobody could tell that a group had camped there. The staff provided excellent education on the environment and how to leave no visible trace.

I believe that was the last year the Sierra Club trips were so large. The main reason they went to smaller groups was that it was a bit intimidating for a lone hiker to encounter an army of 60 or so.

But even where there are no trees, it is possible to do your business without leaving a smelly mess.

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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2019, 08:02:34 pm »

Some people in this thread (and many people in national parks) are unaware of wilderness camping practice—slightly surprising in a site that was once focused on landscape photography before the “street people” took over. Yes, it involves a little shovel, and with groups, digging a communal trench that is then incrementally used and covered. BTW, I instead planned ahead, but that it not so easy with children!

Given the resources that I saw (during my non-cancelled vacation) that are being put into police guards at some national park and national monument entrances, perhaps portable toilets could be deployed there too.
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Re: National Parks Article
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2019, 07:44:03 am »

No problem, Fab. What you do is put your feet against the base of a small tree, grab hold of the tree, and lean back. Everything comes out all right in the end. Just be careful which leaves you wipe with.

Very true...leaf choice is paramount here.

Peter
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