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« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2018, 01:56:04 pm »

I drive a motorcycle and I wanna do it safe. I follow McRider on YouTube. Kevin’s videos are great to understand more about road strategies and motorcycle safety.

I never saw the man effectively doing what he is telling, but I know enough of driving a motorcycle to judge he isn’t talking bullshit.
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« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2018, 02:06:56 pm »

Compliments are nice but they're not advice. What I'm referring to is someone says to raise the temperature on the film developer two degrees and your tones will be more evenly spread out. So then you check to see their photos and there are none there. What am I supposed to do? Change my developer temperature based on with that guy said? Shouldn't I have be able to see what he's doing with his shots to make a decision what I should do first?
I am certainly not suggesting that you accept every piece of advice you receive on the internet. Surely you can sort the wheat from the chaff without doing a deep dive on every poster.
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« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2018, 02:11:30 pm »

What if they're engineering majors?
It would be quite important if one were taking pictures of trains.
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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2018, 02:14:06 pm »


At one time in the U.S. you had to own property to vote.  That way people who had nothing to lose couldn't keep voting for politicians who were generous with other people's money.


Kent in SD
That's correct.  You probably should have clarified the statement to read, "At one time in the US you had to be a white male and own property to be able to vote."  That was the "original" intent.
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Rob C

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« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2018, 02:28:21 pm »

That's correct.  You probably should have clarified the statement to read, "At one time in the US you had to be a white male and own property to be able to vote."  That was the "original" intent.

In the more expensive bits of London, that could apparently be problematic.

I wonder what the criterion would be in the illegal settlements in Palestinian areas...

Life is sometimes not so much a lottery as a mockery.

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« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2018, 02:31:02 pm »

That's correct.  You probably should have clarified the statement to read, "At one time in the US you had to be a white male and own property to be able to vote."  That was the "original" intent.

Not exactly, Alan. It was taken for granted that if you were interested in voting you were a white male. There was a lot of other stuff taken for granted too, like slavery. It wasn't a matter of "intent." It simply was the way society worked, and not just here in the U.S. Hindsight's always is twenty-twenty, and some take full advantage of that when criticizing what past society did in the past.

But this is getting awfully close to politics, so let's drop it.
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« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2018, 02:36:47 pm »

You could try it. If you never ever want to take a risk to get disappointed, you miss a lot.
Why not take your own advice and post some of your pictures?

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« Reply #67 on: December 14, 2018, 02:41:30 pm »

Why not take your own advice and post some of your pictures?
Ivo has posted quite a few photos in threads here at LuLa. 
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« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2018, 02:49:14 pm »

Compliments are nice but they're not advice. What I'm referring to is someone says to raise the temperature on the film developer two degrees and your tones will be more evenly spread out. So then you check to see their photos and there are none there. What am I supposed to do? Change my developer temperature based on with that guy said? Shouldn't I have be able to see what he's doing with his shots to make a decision what I should do first?

I'd suggest listening to the advice, considering it in your own mind and seeing if it made any sense. If it does, or it seems probable, you could try it. If not, you could file it away and maybe return to it if you see the same advice given elsewhere.
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« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2018, 04:06:41 pm »

Ivo has posted quite a few photos in threads here at LuLa. 
It would be more helpful if they were in a central location.

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« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2018, 04:13:08 pm »

It would be quite important if one were taking pictures of trains.


I do that!

An aside (but not far off the main topic.)  I posted the below night shot on a Facebook page belonging to a railroad magazine's editor.  I mentioned how I used 16 flash and it took me about two hours to set it all up and test.  Some guy then posted, "I could have done that with three flash." ;D   Railfan photography is full of guys that live in their parents' basement and don't have much of a social life.  (A higher percentage of Aspberger's than the general population!)  It also has more than its share of a-holes who are very jealous of any who obviously has more skill than they do.  I know the poster of that comment to be one of those.  He has an established reputation as a know-it-all.  Finding his statement farcical I pressed him, reminding him of the geometric fall off of light and the need to match each individual flash to an overall exposure using an assortment of techniques.  I posted that I would be most grateful if he would share how he could take the shot using only three flash considering the overall scope of the scene and the distances of the elements in the photo from each other?   No response.  I then asked if he had any experience at all with such photography, and he responded he used to do it but got bored with it.  I followed up by asking for a link to those shots as I wished to learn more from a master photographer.  No response, LOL! ;D   So anyway, my point is that some genres of photography seem to have more a-holes and wind bags than others.


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« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2018, 04:18:28 pm »

Kent: Reminds me of the comment in a movie scene from "Jerry Maguire": "Show me the money."

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« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2018, 04:38:31 pm »

Kent: Reminds me of the comment in a movie scene from "Jerry Maguire": "Show me the money."


There is a bit of folk wisdom I heard about while living in rural Missouri of a practice called "coon hound."  The gist of it is a raccoon is running from a hound and takes to the water.  The dog follows, and the raccoon entices the dog into deeper and deeper water.  Finally when the dog is in way over its head, the coon will jump on the back of the dog's neck and drown it!


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« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2018, 06:11:23 pm »

Not exactly, Alan. It was taken for granted that if you were interested in voting you were a white male. There was a lot of other stuff taken for granted too, like slavery.

For the Lula curious, this is unequivocally wrong. (Edit: It would be more correct to say that if you weren't a white male, you were thought not qualified to wield the power of the vote, not that you had no desire to participate in self governance.)
(Me, B.A. History, 1993)

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I long to hear that you have declared an independancy—and by the way in the new Code of Laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make I desire you would Remember the Ladies, and be more generous and favourable to them than your ancestors. Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could. If perticuliar care and attention is not paid to the Laidies, we are determined to foment a Rebelion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any Laws in which we have no voice, or representation.
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...You complain that widows are not represented [in the Virginia legislature], and that being temporary possessors of their estates ought not to be liable to the tax. The doctrine of representation is a large subject, and it is certain that it ought to be extended as far as wisdom and policy can allow; nor do I see that either of these forbid widows having property from voting, notwithstanding it has never been the practice either here or in England....This, then, is the widow’s security as well as that of the never married women, who have lands in their own right, for both of whom I have the highest respect, and would at any time give my consent to establish their right of voting…
Richard Henry Lee, 1778

This isn't politics - it's history :). (Slavery wasn't "taken for granted" either, FWIW.)
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« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2018, 07:47:39 pm »

For the Lula curious, this is unequivocally wrong.
(Me, B.A. History, 1993)

Depends on where you were located, B.A. History. What you were told about it also depends on when you got your B.A. in history.
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« Reply #75 on: December 14, 2018, 08:24:08 pm »

Depends on where you were located, B.A. History. What you were told about it also depends on when you got your B.A. in history.

Re: location, it's true that then, as now, southerners were radically ignorant of the fallout from the racial implications of their assumptions.  What I was told about it is irrelevant, though, as is befitting of my education I'm citing primary sources, not repeating someone else's interpretations. Your contention was that suffrage restrictions were in place because men of the time were unaware of any concept to the contrary.  It's clearly established by writings of the era that they were, in fact, aware of the possibilities and desires of women and other minorities, ergo your understanding is incorrect.

To be fair, certainly SOME (many?) individuals would not have even considered that any other than white men of property would want to vote, nor would SOME have considered slavery to be anything other than the natural state of things for certain people.  But to assert that this was the general logic behind the laws as written in the colonial era is incorrect.  Ultimately though, I'm not sure it mattered.  We can agree that whether by ignorance of desire or ignorance of capability, the attitudes were certainly a product of their times, and indeed considerably more progressive than that governing ideals of most nations at the time.

(Still not political, but drifting into sociology!)
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« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2018, 07:13:27 am »

(Still not political, but drifting into sociology!)

Close enough for me, James.
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« Reply #77 on: December 15, 2018, 09:09:58 am »

How ironic, in the event: Britains most successful photographic star not considered good enough.

Surely one of Britain's successful stars.

 ;)

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« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2018, 09:14:12 am »

Surely one of Britain's successful stars.

 ;)

Mike


Yes indeed, as I indicated, but I think he won the biscuit.

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« Reply #79 on: December 15, 2018, 11:13:39 am »

Not exactly, Alan. It was taken for granted that if you were interested in voting you were a white male. There was a lot of other stuff taken for granted too, like slavery. It wasn't a matter of "intent." It simply was the way society worked, and not just here in the U.S. Hindsight's always is twenty-twenty, and some take full advantage of that when criticizing what past society did in the past.

But this is getting awfully close to politics, so let's drop it.
It's not politics but factual.  States set up laws for voting and only 6% of the white male population was eligible to vote initially.  Interest in voting had nothing to do with it.  As per the Constitution, slaves did not have citizenship and were counted as 3/5 of a person for census purposes.  They did not get the right to vote until the 14th amendment was passed in 1868.  Women did not get the right to vote until a lot later; I think Wyoming was the first state to have universal suffrage.  Full voting rights were not in place until the 19th amendment was ratified in 1920.

This timeline is useful for those wanting further information.
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