Started by DavidPalermo, December 04, 2018, 02:44:51 pm
Quote from: Mark D Segal on December 04, 2018, 07:31:51 pmI know all that, why I agreed with your previous post on the usefulness of Raw Digger. All I'm saying is that if one suspects the starting "recipe" is blowing highlights, one can check for that by toning them down and seeing what happens. I'm not pretending it's a perfect substitute for seeing all the raw information.
Quote from: Mark D Segal on December 04, 2018, 07:46:25 pmI don't know what you're arguing about. Look at David's example. In the Adobe Standard case the highlights don't reveal as much highlight detail as in the Adobe Neutral case. So he's saying he prefers to start with Adobe Neutral because it has a better chance of avoiding that kind of problem. It may well have other effects too, depending on the image, but one can start with either. All I was getting at is that if one started with David's Adobe Standard image, one could shift the highlight slider to the left to see whether more highlight detail comes into view as a result of pulling the highlights back. That's all. I think it's pretty obvious. I'm not leveraging that into arguing anything else.
Quote from: Mark D Segal on December 04, 2018, 07:59:39 pmGood Lord! For the 3rd time let me be clear - I'm not saying anything you said is inaccurate or incorrect. Basta Andrew. I'm moving on..........
Quote from: Alan Klein on December 04, 2018, 08:11:44 pmHow would I eliminate the initial settings since I'm starting with scanned color or BW film where no adjustments are applied during the scan except for possibly black and white points? Would there be settings on the other hand that would help initially that I could use?
Quote from: digitaldog on December 04, 2018, 08:46:16 pmDon't understand the question or why you'd be using a raw converter for scans.
Quote from: Alan Klein on December 04, 2018, 08:59:07 pmWhat do you mean why use a raw convertor? I don;t understand? I use Lightroom when I process digital and film scans.
Quote from: digitaldog on December 04, 2018, 08:05:26 pm Fine with me. This is for David since you've left the scene. Below is Adobe Neutral. The ONLY difference is PV1 vs. PV5. As you can see but (Mark may not), just the selection of a PV alters highlights tremendously. Same profile, every other setting identical. So no, you can't turn this stuff off and no, you can't tell squat about highlights (and other factors) without looking at the raw data, which is what I believe you wish to do.
Quote from: DavidPalermo on December 04, 2018, 09:53:19 pmI understand that you cannot use a RAW image in Lightroom without a profile. I get that. I was looking for a starting point whereby I can see with pretty good accuracy what my camera's sensor is recording without moving any sliders!
Quote from: digitaldog on December 04, 2018, 09:03:38 pmLightroom (Develop module) is (primary) a raw converter. Why are you not using the scanner software to "process" the scans?
Quote from: Alan Klein on December 04, 2018, 10:05:51 pmIf you adjust with the scanner, you;re locked into the results. If you want to change them, you have to re-scan, which takes a lot of time and effort. By scanning "flat", or at the most just esetting black and white points, you never have to go back to re-scan. Also, Lightroom has more adjustments available like cloning and spot removal to get rid of dust spots on the negatives, curves, graduated filter operations, etc, as well as great conversion to BW from color. Basically, I start with a "flat image and then adjust from there with Lightroom. I was curious if others use some sort of presets when they open the scanned file in the Develop mode?
Quote from: Alan Klein on December 04, 2018, 10:18:41 pmWhat is Adobe Neutral and how do you set it in Lightroom?
Quote from: Alan Klein on December 04, 2018, 10:24:13 pmHere's an example of the scanned image without adjustments and the final image adjusted in LR. Note the histogram for the scanned file stops at around 172. That's pretty typical of color scans, for me. So I then start from scratch for each photo using LR to produce the final. I was wondering if anyone else has a different take on LR presets using film scans?
Quote from: digitaldog on December 04, 2018, 10:26:48 pmYeah, obviously the "no adjustment" scanning method stinks. MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
Quote from: digitaldog on December 04, 2018, 10:25:30 pmIt's a camera (raw) profile; not going to work on scans.
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