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Rob C

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2018, 01:02:31 pm »

Haven't seen anything even a little bit different, much less "totally" different in this thread, but it's obviously time to get rid of "Street Showcase" and replace it with "Selfie Showcase." It would be a terrific draw.

And the quality would shoot up too because Apple could be relied upon to do the awkward stuff in the cellphone itself!

I also kinda wondered what the rationale was behind a b/white section that well, also accepted colour. I'm trying to figure out how, therefore, it's any different to the rest of the threads, but as I can't figure out Brexit, either, I'm sure the fault must be mine.

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2018, 01:45:43 pm »

In Europe we call irresponsible citizens ‘Cowboys ‘

Photographic daredevils........




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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2018, 03:15:31 pm »

And the quality would shoot up too because Apple could be relied upon to do the awkward stuff in the cellphone itself!

I also kinda wondered what the rationale was behind a b/white section that well, also accepted colour. I'm trying to figure out how, therefore, it's any different to the rest of the threads, but as I can't figure out Brexit, either, I'm sure the fault must be mine.

:-)

I suspect it stems from the same kind of confusion that brought down Street Showcase before it ever even got airborne, Rob. You know, being unable to distinguish between B&W and color, and being unable to distinguish between something on the street and street photography.
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2018, 03:27:29 pm »

I was standing directly in front of this glass brick, so I'm sure my reflection is in there somewhere.  :)
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2018, 04:05:38 am »

I suspect it stems from the same kind of confusion that brought down Street Showcase before it ever even got airborne, Rob. You know, being unable to distinguish between B&W and color, and being unable to distinguish between something on the street and street photography.

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2018, 04:17:34 am »

Haven't seen anything even a little bit different, much less "totally" different in this thread, but it's obviously time to get rid of "Street Showcase" and replace it with "Selfie Showcase." It would be a terrific draw.



Charles Dickens:

“A merry Christmas, uncle! God save you!” cried a cheerful voice. It was the voice of Scrooge’s nephew, who came upon him so quickly that this was the first intimation he had of his approach.

“Bah!” said Scrooge, “Humbug!”

He had so heated himself with rapid walking in the fog and frost, this nephew of Scrooge’s, that he was all in a glow; his face was ruddy and handsome; his eyes sparkled, and his breath smoked again.

“Christmas a humbug, uncle!” said Scrooge’s nephew. “You don’t mean that, I am sure?”

“I do,” said Scrooge. “Merry Christmas! What right have you to be merry? What reason have you to be merry? You’re poor enough.”

“Come, then,” returned the nephew gaily. “What right have you to be dismal? What reason have you to be morose? You’re rich enough.”

Scrooge having no better answer ready on the spur of the moment, said, “Bah!” again; and followed it up with “Humbug.”
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2018, 05:19:49 am »

I suspect it stems from the same kind of confusion that brought down Street Showcase before it ever even got airborne, Rob. You know, being unable to distinguish between B&W and color, and being unable to distinguish between something on the street and street photography.

Perhaps what's needed is a Run it past Russ thread, where potential contributors could post an image to seek approval and suitability before committing it to the Street Showcase?

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2018, 08:11:11 am »

No, Keith. What's needed is for "Street Showcase" to be removed. The only active thread in the thing is your "On the Streets: an open image sharing thread," which has little to do with street photography. There's no reason that thread couldn't be moved to "User Critiques," or even "The Coffee Corner." The real problem with "Street Showcase" is that it contributes to the general ignorance about what the genre really is. It's a sad thing for LuLa to contribute to that ignorance. It tends to make LuLa look ignorant. I'm pretty sure Michael would have slammed "Street Showcase" shut once he saw what was being posted there.
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2018, 08:38:45 am »

No, Keith. What's needed is for "Street Showcase" to be removed. The only active thread in the thing is your "On the Streets: an open image sharing thread," which has little to do with street photography. There's no reason that thread couldn't be moved to "User Critiques," or even "The Coffee Corner." The real problem with "Street Showcase" is that it contributes to the general ignorance about what the genre really is. It's a sad thing for LuLa to contribute to that ignorance. It tends to make LuLa look ignorant. I'm pretty sure Michael would have slammed "Street Showcase" shut once he saw what was being posted there.

Russ, forums and threads live or die according to all of our contributions. If you have issues with the Street Showcase you have it in your power to make a difference, to initiate change: beats moaning. There's nothing stopping you or anyone else here continuing to contribute to the section.

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2018, 09:50:19 am »

No, Keith. What's needed is for "Street Showcase" to be removed...

And Carthage must be destroyed.” - Cato the Elder, a Roman senator*

* most famously associated with repeated use, in or out of its proper context, of the phrase Delenda est Carthago

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2018, 10:07:54 am »

The problem with street as a genre is time: the 21st Century is the era of fudge; look at our politicians, just for starters, and in my opinion, photographers of the era are doing no better.

Not only does it, fudge, pervade the amateur world but the commercial one too. If you care to glance at the current fashion magazines, you see little but shiny, unreal representations of Photoshopped people; it's all about style over substance and the real beauty of a Shrimpton, a Suzie Parker is no longer relevant because the local dog can be turned into Cruftsian winner in the computer.

Does it matter? Yes, I believe that it does, because when everything can be faked then nothing has value. And likewise with photographic genre: if it is now perfectly acceptable to call something anything anyone wants to, everything becomes equally devalued because it is contaminated and eventually completely overpowered by the junk.

It is very difficult for most people to do people street well - I sure can't - and allowing any old shot with a street in the frame and some aimless person taking up space in it to be called street does a huge disservice to those who actually do have the talent to produce something with meaning, emotion and some impact.

But hey, in this egalitarian world, where even gender is no longer guaranteed its proper place in the scheme of things, why be surprised at anything?

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2018, 10:15:35 am »

The problem with street as a genre...

Rob, you (and Russ) seem to have gotten lost, wandering the streets, even if metaphorical ones. What “street as a genre” has to do with this thread? The thread about selfies, in the Coffee Corner?

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2018, 10:26:46 am »

Rob, you (and Russ) seem to have gotten lost, wandering the streets, even if metaphorical ones. What “street as a genre” has to do with this thread? The thread about selfies, in the Coffee Corner?

Good question.
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2018, 10:30:20 am »

The problem with street as a genre is time: the 21st Century is the era of fudge; look at our politicians, just for starters, and in my opinion, photographers of the era are doing no better.

Not only does it, fudge, pervade the amateur world but the commercial one too. If you care to glance at the current fashion magazines, you see little but shiny, unreal representations of Photoshopped people; it's all about style over substance and the real beauty of a Shrimpton, a Suzie Parker is no longer relevant because the local dog can be turned into Cruftsian winner in the computer.

Does it matter? Yes, I believe that it does, because when everything can be faked then nothing has value. And likewise with photographic genre: if it is now perfectly acceptable to call something anything anyone wants to, everything becomes equally devalued because it is contaminated and eventually completely overpowered by the junk.

It is very difficult for most people to do people street well - I sure can't - and allowing any old shot with a street in the frame and some aimless person taking up space in it to be called street does a huge disservice to those who actually do have the talent to produce something with meaning, emotion and some impact.

But hey, in this egalitarian world, where even gender is no longer guaranteed its proper place in the scheme of things, why be surprised at anything?

It's Gresham's law applied to esthetics. Actually, Gresham's law applies to most everything. The bad always drives out the good. I watched that happen in artist towns like Manitou Springs, Colorado, where the young people who were doing often quite fine art eventually were driven out by rising prices for everything except their art, as more affluent people moved in to enjoy living in an artist's community. The same thing happened to Mount Dora, Florida, and Cañon Road in Santa Fe, New Mexico. It didn't happen in the case of Street Showcase, because the good never got there to begin with.
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2018, 10:54:55 am »

At times the negativity here has to be seen to be believed.

There are a good number of threads within the Street Showcase that would seem to meet the strictures of Russ & Rob. Please, celebrate and contribute to those threads and add more of your own rather than fixating on those that don't meet with your approval. Getting in a hissy fit over what is essentially your baby and wishing it gone solves nothing. Don't throw your baby out with the bath water.

Get positive: grow some.

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2018, 11:03:56 am »

It is very difficult for most people to do people street well - I sure can't - and allowing any old shot with a street in the frame and some aimless person taking up space in it to be called street does a huge disservice to those who actually do have the talent to produce something with meaning, emotion and some impact.
The same could be said for any genre. There are a lot of vacuous images of all kinds out there.
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2018, 11:26:11 am »

Not necessarily just "out there."
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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2018, 11:38:50 am »

Rob, you (and Russ) seem to have gotten lost, wandering the streets, even if metaphorical ones. What “street as a genre” has to do with this thread? The thread about selfies, in the Coffee Corner?


What I'm doing, Slobodan, clearly, is answering a point raised by another poster.

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Re: And now something totally different
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2018, 12:00:13 pm »

It's been a pretty decent selfie trend so far, why then ruin it with the incessant attempts to t-bone everything and anything that does not fit your lofty standards, even if those belong to a completely unrelated genre?

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« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2018, 12:08:23 pm »

The same could be said for any genre. There are a lot of vacuous images of all kinds out there.

Nobody in their right mind could argue against you there!

Frankly, I find photography becoming less and less interesting as the years roll along. Was a time that it bore me along on its crest, now it seems to be turning into something pretty flat and vacuous and almost as if its time has run, and we await something new to replace it. No idea what that'll be, though.

In a way, you can see that sense of purpose vanishing even in the camera makers: they just make new toys in what appears to be an unstoppable decline in real camera sales. Unlike with the film cameras, where a good, working plateau had been reached and you only needed something new if your old one broke or wore out, or you were able to trade upmarket to something more sophisticated and reliable, the new breed of stuff has built-in obsolescence with but one goal in mind: fuel people's GAS. The ability to allow photographers to make pictures to their personal limits was reached a long time ago; now we are encouraged to buy just because we can, the most stupid reason of all.

Oh well, not my problem, thank goodness! I reached my own limits years ago, and nothing new on the market will make me think other than as I already think, and there the problem for everybody who has reached their own level of visual maturity: no place else to go.

A bright, sunny afternoon here today, and as I prefer stormy days for snaps, I went out for a walk without the weight of a camera hanging somewhere off my person; how nice not to be thinking of feeding the damned thing at least one reasonable image today: absolutely no sense of guilt or disappointment!

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