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JV

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #340 on: April 08, 2019, 07:00:43 pm »

I still donít get the value of a 28-70 f2.0 in 2019. I find a 24-70 f2.8 an order of magnitude more useful for the situations when you typically use such a zoom lens.

Personally I would have preferred a 24-70 as well... 

The Canon RF 24-70mm F2.8 L IS USM has been announced and is expected to be released still this year:
https://petapixel.com/2019/02/13/canon-announces-the-development-of-6-new-rf-lenses/

I have the 28-70 on order.  If all goes well I should get it tomorrow.  I am curious to try it out.  I am used to shooting the Leica SL with the 24-90mm lens.  The Canon plus 28-70mm is about 100g heavier. 
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #341 on: April 08, 2019, 07:28:21 pm »

You plan on purchasing both the 28-70 f2 and the 24-70 f2.8?

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« Reply #342 on: April 08, 2019, 09:31:24 pm »

I would only buy the 24-70 f2.8 if the 28-70 f2 turns out to be not practical enough and too (front) heavy.

The also announced 15-35 f2.8 in addition to the 50 f1.2 could (in my eyes) also be a nice combination.

This all obviously provided I stick with Canon... which is not a fact of life yet...
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #343 on: April 08, 2019, 09:57:13 pm »

If I were you I would measure your past usage with trans-standard zooms across a few thousand images.

I did that and more than 50% of my images were shot at or near 24mm...

I also vividly remember my constant frustration with the 28-70mm f2.8 lens I used to own many years ago. Since all the manufacturers moved to the 24-70 focal range I believe that this is wide spread.

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #344 on: April 09, 2019, 04:36:59 am »

Anyone unhappy with the RF 28-70 f2 is welcome to send it my way :-)
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« Reply #345 on: April 09, 2019, 05:52:34 pm »

Apparently even the CEO of Sigma is impressed...  From the interview on DPReview:
https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/7487852065/cp-2019-sigma-interview-optical-design-is-always-a-battle-with-the-design-constraints


What are the other products in the market you've been impressed by?
So far I like Canon, the 28-70mm F2 and the 50 mm F1.2. Their [RF] mount system is quite impressive.
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« Reply #346 on: April 09, 2019, 06:09:08 pm »

I don't believe that anyone is discussing the quality of these 2 lenses, they are very good and they completely match the philosophy of the Art line (large, heavy, excellent).

And the CEO of Sigma is an absolutely great guy it appears.

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« Reply #347 on: April 09, 2019, 06:39:48 pm »

The following comment was also interesting I thought:

A long time ago we produced similar lenses with much, much cheaper prices. But today we produce everything in Japan, including parts, so we can't be the cheapest product supplier. The only way to survive in the industry is to produce unique products. I think big, heavy but super performance was one of the strategies to differentiate ourselves. But today many companies have similar products so perhaps we need to find another [strategy].

Of course the Art series is our heart and we have many users all over the world, so we'll maintain this lineup. In order to differentiate ourselves we'll need to create new ideas for lenses and we're currently working on it.

I can't tell you [more] now. Maybe after several glasses of sake!
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« Reply #348 on: May 02, 2019, 06:09:10 pm »

Interesting graph IMO.  FF Mirrorless Sales Japan April 2019:
https://www.canonwatch.com/in-japan-the-sony-a7-iii-outsells-all-competitors-put-together/
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« Reply #349 on: May 03, 2019, 10:42:04 am »

A very close friend bought the Z6 in December and within days was diagnosed with cancer. He passed away three weeks ago. Shutter count about 50 I think. Sold the camera for less than half what he paid for it. It is hopelessly overstocked in South Africa and isnít selling at all well. The price new has dropped by about a third and now they are throwing in a card, card reader and extra battery in an effort to get them moving. Perhaps this is a local anomaly.

I was helping him with the camera when he was trying to do some table top work with it. Honestly he was just too sick. I thought it a decent looking camera and it has a nice feel in the hand. The menus made me nuts though, and I use a Sony which I find just fine after a few years use. Go figure. Anyway itís sold and gets collected tomorrow. Never felt tempted by it quite honestly despite its super cheap price.
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #350 on: May 03, 2019, 06:14:34 pm »

Really sorry to hear about your loss Martin.

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« Reply #351 on: May 04, 2019, 12:07:47 am »

Thank you Bernard. It has been quite a year. We have been shooting together for 35 years. Used different cameras and had different styles. Never argued about gear. It was a fine friendship. He really liked the new Nikon.
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« Reply #352 on: May 04, 2019, 01:23:59 am »

Thank you Bernard. It has been quite a year. We have been shooting together for 35 years. Used different cameras and had different styles. Never argued about gear. It was a fine friendship. He really liked the new Nikon.

That must be tough indeed.

Cameras are really not that important in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #353 on: May 18, 2019, 05:25:51 pm »

https://photorumors.com/2019/05/17/the-japanese-camera-grand-prix-2019-awards-are-out/

The Panasonic S1 having been elected camera of the year while both Canon and Nikon have released their super strategic mirrorless bodies also will be perceived as the ultimate humiliation...

This is great because it means that progress will accelerate further.

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« Reply #354 on: May 18, 2019, 05:36:59 pm »

The Panasonic S1 having been elected camera of the year while both Canon and Nikon have released their super strategic mirrorless bodies also will be perceived as the ultimate humiliation...
Who is really going to remember that in a year? And the Canon EOS R was never even in the running.
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« Reply #355 on: May 18, 2019, 07:36:44 pm »

Who is really going to remember that in a year? And the Canon EOS R was never even in the running.

Thatís post disaster statement. Until a few days before the R launched millions of Canon fanboys would have you believe that a revolution was about to come.

The R must be compared to what it should have been.

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« Reply #356 on: May 18, 2019, 07:53:17 pm »

https://photorumors.com/2019/05/17/the-japanese-camera-grand-prix-2019-awards-are-out/

The Panasonic S1 having been elected camera of the year while both Canon and Nikon have released their super strategic mirrorless bodies also will be perceived as the ultimate humiliation...

This is great because it means that progress will accelerate further.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bernard...does it really matter to you that Nikon was shut out of the awards? Both Nikon and Canon are trying to duplicate Sony whereas Panasonic is out on a limb with their camera. I'd rather recognize a manufacturer that goes out on a limb rather than trying just to duplicate what's already been designed, manufactured and released years ago.
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #357 on: May 18, 2019, 08:07:07 pm »

Bernard...does it really matter to you that Nikon was shut out of the awards? Both Nikon and Canon are trying to duplicate Sony whereas Panasonic is out on a limb with their camera. I'd rather recognize a manufacturer that goes out on a limb rather than trying just to duplicate what's already been designed, manufactured and released years ago.

As written, I think itís great.

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« Reply #358 on: May 18, 2019, 10:01:46 pm »

The R must be compared to what it should have been.
No, it should be compared against the competition.

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #359 on: May 18, 2019, 10:07:04 pm »

No, it should be compared against the competition.

Care to explain why you start by ďnoĒ instead of starting by ďyesĒ?

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Bernard
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