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davidgp

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #320 on: February 04, 2019, 10:24:06 AM »

Well, looks like Canon wants to catch up with Sony lens roadmap as soon as possible, they plan to announce 5 lenses and a new camera next week: https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/first-leaked-images-of-the-five-new-canon-rf-lenses/

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #321 on: February 04, 2019, 01:21:54 PM »

Canon seems to employing the inverse of Sony's early strategy... A new, inexpensive body and five new lenses (all but one big pro lenses) just leaked.  Sony released all sorts of great bodies, then took years to get a decent line of lenses worthy of the bodies out there (they now have in FE, but still not in APS-C). Canon seems to be releasing every fast (but also big, heavy, expensive)pro lens they can think of - what are they missing now with the five new releases that just leaked? Some wide primes seem like the biggest gap (other than a camera to go with them...) - the exotic teles are just fine on an adapter...

On the other hand, their bodies don't match the lenses - the EOS-R is somewhere between the 5D and 6D lines, while the new camera seems likely to fit even below the 6D line? Of these five lenses, the 24-240 travel zoom seems to be a fit for the new camera and perhaps the EOS-R, while the other four are waiting for their body...

Best fit for $1599 body (EOS-RP?):
24-240mm
35mm macro (if it can really be said to fit ANY body - a macro that short on full frame is very questionable.)

Best fit for EOS-R:
24-105mm f4

Best fit for ???? (unreleased pro body):
28-70 f2
24-70 f2.8
15-35 f2.8
70-200 f2.8
50 f1.2
85 f1.2


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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #322 on: February 04, 2019, 03:39:59 PM »

In what way do the new Canon lenses not fit the current R body (and the rumored upcoming models)?

You can mount them on the camera and use them, can't you? Or do I need to have a $4000 "pro" body before I dare to use a f1.2 L prime with it? This specs snobbery is silly.
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #323 on: February 04, 2019, 09:47:14 PM »

There are certainly usage patterns where people would want to mount a 800mm f5.6 on a consumer rebel, but youíll probably agree that most photographers mount them on more pro specced bodies.

The reason lies in the usage patterns.

Other aspects include:
- physical balance impacted by body/lens
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #324 on: February 04, 2019, 10:34:47 PM »

After almost 30 years of shooting Canon I made the switch.  It really doesn't matter what brand I switched to but rather why I moved away from Canon.  The last time I got excited by anything Canon did was when they released their 200-400 f/4 w/1.4TC built in.  That's it, there hasn't been any lens, body, or anything that they have released that has excited me to the point where I was giddy! 

Not to say that others haven't been excited, for me I haven't.  I switched and now I'm having a ton of fun with my new system and look forward to more as new features, bodies & lenses are released.  I feel like a giddy teenager again!

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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #325 on: February 04, 2019, 10:39:14 PM »

I'd also think that you might well want either more sensor performance (resolution/dynamic range), more speed, more durability, IBIS, or some combination in a body you were going to mount $2000+ lenses on. I'd imagine most big white Canon telephotos, f2.8 zooms and f1.2 or f1.4 primes end up on 5D or 1D series bodies?

There's nothing physically wrong with mounting those lenses on the EOS-R (there is an actual issue with combos like an 800mm on a Rebel, because the lens mount wasn't designed for big lenses) - but, if you're going to spend the money on several of those lenses, is the EOS-R the body you want, let alone the EOS-RP?
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #326 on: February 05, 2019, 02:02:16 AM »

It will be really interesting to see how large the new 70-200 will be. Till now it was mainly said there is no real benefit with the new mounts for longer lenses.

The new 70-200 looks compact, which means itís could extend, is very wide or a distorted image.


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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #327 on: February 05, 2019, 05:27:16 AM »

Hi,

Just a small note, if I want short DoF, I would buy a 85/1.4 or a 135/2.0 lens.

For other tasks, having 1EV better ISO capability like usable ISO being 1600 instead of 800 compensates for the lower speed.

  • I would say that using a sharper lens always makes sense.
  • But using a faster camera with a lower lens may also make sense.

If the camera has built in image stabilization, it tilts the playing ground even more, albeit it doesn't stop action.

Personally, I would like to see more high quality moderate aperture lenses.

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Canon seems to employing the inverse of Sony's early strategy... A new, inexpensive body and five new lenses (all but one big pro lenses) just leaked.  Sony released all sorts of great bodies, then took years to get a decent line of lenses worthy of the bodies out there (they now have in FE, but still not in APS-C). Canon seems to be releasing every fast (but also big, heavy, expensive)pro lens they can think of - what are they missing now with the five new releases that just leaked? Some wide primes seem like the biggest gap (other than a camera to go with them...) - the exotic teles are just fine on an adapter...

On the other hand, their bodies don't match the lenses - the EOS-R is somewhere between the 5D and 6D lines, while the new camera seems likely to fit even below the 6D line? Of these five lenses, the 24-240 travel zoom seems to be a fit for the new camera and perhaps the EOS-R, while the other four are waiting for their body...

Best fit for $1599 body (EOS-RP?):
24-240mm
35mm macro (if it can really be said to fit ANY body - a macro that short on full frame is very questionable.)

Best fit for EOS-R:
24-105mm f4

Best fit for ???? (unreleased pro body):
28-70 f2
24-70 f2.8
15-35 f2.8
70-200 f2.8
50 f1.2
85 f1.2
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Re: Mirrorless war - Canon vs Nikon - who is the current winner?
« Reply #328 on: February 05, 2019, 07:55:11 AM »

There's nothing physically wrong with mounting those lenses on the EOS-R (there is an actual issue with combos like an 800mm on a Rebel, because the lens mount wasn't designed for big lenses) - but, if you're going to spend the money on several of those lenses, is the EOS-R the body you want, let alone the EOS-RP?
Yes the EOS R is almost perfect for me*. I'm a portrait shooter so I don't need action/speed features associated with pro bodies and I definitely don't want more resolution (I've retouched 50mpx images and it's a pain in the ass. Very few people need or want so much skin detail and I'm not one of them). It's also a question of budget - unlike some people I'm not made of money and I've been always prioritizing spending on lenses over bodies. If the RP is full frame and focuses as well as R does, I would probably be pretty happy with it and the fast primes/zoom.

*I've shot the R for about 2 months now and the only thing that really annoys me is the slow data transfer when tethered over usb (compared to DSLRs)
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