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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #240 on: July 26, 2018, 09:37:38 am »

Following on from Slobodan's post and the WP extract , commentary from an FT columnist (also on Twitter)

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Trump won;t get everything he wants nor will the EU.  That's what negotiations are all about.  Good deals are win-win, not win-lose.  In Europe I suppose politicians will say they got the better of it.  In America, with all the Trump hating press we have, they'll agree and say Trump gave up.  The fact will be that for America, less tariffs will help our country.  It will be better than it was.  We'll also have a stronger hand with the EU to tackle China's mercantile war with the world.  That's something both the EU and America will benefit from as well.

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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #241 on: July 26, 2018, 09:52:21 am »

Alan -
That commentary above was even-handed and very unbiased, why don't you try it sometime?
From another thread:

Robert:  Real trade negotiations have started with the EU due to Trump's tariffs...

Reality check:
Not because of Trump's tariffs, rather a response to the very substantial risk of an unconscionable, uncontrolled all out trade war. That Trump started this ain't to his credit, but the net result is pretty much that two years on we're back to where the US (read: Obama) was with the TTIP.

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« Reply #242 on: July 26, 2018, 09:56:52 am »

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« Reply #243 on: July 26, 2018, 10:00:24 am »

Alan -
That commentary above was even-handed and very unbiased, why don't you try it sometime?
From another thread:

Reality check:
Not because of Trump's tariffs, rather a response to the very substantial risk of an unconscionable, uncontrolled all out trade war. That Trump started this ain't to his credit, but the net result is pretty much that two years on we're back to where the US (read: Obama) was with the TTIP.



After the Iran deal, I would rather have Trump negotiate than Obama.  I've seen Trump negotiate in business in NYC.  He's very tough.  Obama would give away the store. 

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« Reply #244 on: July 26, 2018, 10:28:32 am »

Ahhh too bad. :-(

Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Destroyed Again
The suspect has been jailed on a $20,000 bail.



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On Wednesday morning, Donald Trump's star along the Hollywood Walk of Fame was once again destroyed.

The star was totally demolished, not just vandalized, which has also happened numerous times.

So, I have two questions; why the heck does Trump have a star on the Walk of Fame? The Apprentice? The movies cameos? Really?

And why are they going to repair it...the odds are it will happen again. Seems like a waste of money.

Why did I say “too bad”...too bad the guy got caught so quick....
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« Reply #245 on: July 26, 2018, 10:54:25 am »

Ahhh too bad. :-(

Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame Star Destroyed Again
The suspect has been jailed on a $20,000 bail.


So, I have two questions; why the heck does Trump have a star on the Walk of Fame? The Apprentice? The movies cameos? Really?

And why are they going to repair it...the odds are it will happen again. Seems like a waste of money.

Why did I say “too bad”...too bad the guy got caught so quick....

The left is violent.  Destruction of property is illegal.   Approving and agreeing with it is wrong.   All the accusations from them against the right's violence is just a projection of what they are doing.   This is very dangerous for our country.  It invites violent response.  What goes around comes around. 

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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #246 on: July 26, 2018, 10:58:11 am »

Trump's Leaner White House Payroll Projected To Save Taxpayers $22 Million

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/07/02/trumps-leaner-white-house-payroll-projected-to-save-taxpayers-22-million/#248fa35757e6

Great news!  That means we're only bailing out Trump's farmer constituency to the tune of 11,978,000,000 instead of the full 12 billion!

And if you add the fact that he isn't taking salary in, well, that knocks it down near 11,977,000,000 over four years!

Are we Great Again yet?
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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #247 on: July 26, 2018, 11:00:37 am »

Not because of Trump's tariffs, rather a response to the very substantial risk of an unconscionable, uncontrolled all out trade war. That Trump started this ain't to his credit, but the net result is pretty much that two years on we're back to where the US (read: Obama) was with the TTIP.

We're not quite back to where we started.  The tariffs have created a political backlash that may have consequences for the Republican Party in the November congressional elections.  That's what yesterday's White House announcement was really about.

China is shifting soybean purchases from the United States to Brazil in retaliation for Trump's first round of tariffs.  The Trump Administration is under intense pressure from Republican members of Congress representing agricultural states to do something about that, and is preparing to hand out $12 billion in government agricultural subsidies to help the farm states cope with the short-term effects of what may be the long-term loss of a critical market.  Meanwhile, in what appears to be an offer to help Trump save face, the Europeans have agreed in principle to buy more soybeans from the United States.

The Trump Administration is also under intense pressure from representatives of the U.S. automobile industry to lift the steel and aluminum tariffs, which have increased their supply-chain costs.  These remain in place, but will be part of a general trade negotiation with the European Union which will include the continuation of the discussions that have been taking place for years about the possibility of eliminating the parties' respective tariffs on automobiles.  Meanwhile, in what appears to be yet another offer to help Trump save face, the Europeans have agreed to consider buying liquid natural gas from the United States when terminals become available (years from now) if the price is competitive with imports delivered through Russian pipelines.

So my reading of yesterday's announcement is that (1) the Trump Administration is trying to placate important domestic political and commercial interests by agreeing to reconsider its new tariffs while it pumps money into states with nervous Republican congressional delegations and (2) the Europeans are providing Trump with a pretext to claim a symbolic "victory" in return for which they actually aren't offering anything substantial that they weren't prepared to offer before.

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« Reply #248 on: July 26, 2018, 11:09:33 am »

We're not quite back to where we started.  The tariffs have created a political backlash that may have consequences for the Republican Party in the November congressional elections.  That's what yesterday's White House announcement was really about.

China is shifting soybean purchases from the United States to Brazil in retaliation for Trump's first round of tariffs.  The Trump Administration is under intense pressure from Republican members of Congress representing agricultural states to do something about that, and is preparing to hand out $12 billion in government agricultural subsidies to help the farm states cope with the short-term effects of what may be the long-term loss of a critical market.  Meanwhile, in what appears to be an offer to help Trump save face, the Europeans have agreed in principle to buy more soybeans from the United States.

The Trump Administration is also under intense pressure from representatives of the U.S. automobile industry to lift the steel and aluminum tariffs, which have increased their supply-chain costs.  These remain in place, but will be part of a general trade negotiation with the European Union which will include the continuation of the discussions that have been taking place for years about the possibility of eliminating the parties' respective tariffs on automobiles.  Meanwhile, in what appears to be yet another offer to help Trump save face, the Europeans have agreed to consider buying liquid natural gas from the United States when terminals become available (years from now) if the price is competitive with imports delivered through Russian pipelines.

So my reading of yesterday's announcement is that (1) the Trump Administration is trying to placate important domestic political and commercial interests by agreeing to reconsider its new tariffs while it pumps money into states with nervous Republican congressional delegations and (2) the Europeans are providing Trump with a pretext to claim a symbolic "victory" in return for which they actually aren't offering anything substantial that they weren't prepared to offer before.

You may be right.  But Trump is trying to do what every president and republican nominee for president argued for years, the unfair trade tariffs. If he corrects some of them, more power to him.  Let's see what happens.  At least we're talking.  This reminds me of North Korea.  No it's not settled, but things are being discussed.  Better than war.

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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #249 on: July 26, 2018, 11:23:09 am »

No it's not settled, but things are being discussed.  Better than war.

Now you're beginning to sound like Obama ...
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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #250 on: July 26, 2018, 11:38:13 am »

... in what appears to be an offer to help Trump save face, the Europeans have agreed...

Why would Europeans do that? Isn't he universally hated in Europe? If anything, if Europe indeed were in a superior position, that was their chance for a payback for all the mean things Trump said about them, their chance to knock him down, rather than save his face.

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« Reply #251 on: July 26, 2018, 11:58:10 am »

Isn't he universally hated in Europe? . . . that was their chance for a payback for all the mean things Trump said about them, their chance to knock him down, rather than save his face.

Because experienced international negotiators represent the interests of their constituencies, rather than their emotions.  And, whatever else may be said about him, Jean-Claude Juncker is an experienced negotiator.

Also, I would argue with your premise that Trump is "universally hated" in Europe.  He seems to have quite a few admirers among the nativist-populist factions in a number of European countries.

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« Reply #252 on: July 26, 2018, 12:12:06 pm »

Trump's Leaner White House Payroll Projected To Save Taxpayers $22 Million

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/07/02/trumps-leaner-white-house-payroll-projected-to-save-taxpayers-22-million/#248fa35757e6
$12B - $22M = still a bad deal for the budget if that is the true figure for the farm bailout.  Of course increase travel to Mar A Lago during the winter months might eat into that $22M as well.
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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #253 on: July 26, 2018, 12:43:38 pm »

Because experienced international negotiators represent the interests of their constituencies, rather than their emotions...

Right, but "saving face" is about emotions.

My point being that "saving face" couldn't have been the reason. In other words, they caved in because of Trump's threats of trade war and because it is in their interest to do so, not to save Trump's face.

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« Reply #254 on: July 26, 2018, 12:44:24 pm »

The left is violent.
Unlike racists at Charlottesville I suppose you mean, "Alan"?
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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #255 on: July 26, 2018, 12:46:54 pm »

Unlike racists at Charlottesville I suppose you mean, "Alan"?

Whatever happened there was started by the left's attack.

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« Reply #256 on: July 26, 2018, 12:47:06 pm »

Right, but "saving face" is about emotions.

My point being that "saving face" couldn't have been the reason. In other words, they caved in because of Trump's threats of trade war and because it is in their interest to do so, not to save Trump's face.
Nothing has actually been agreed at this point so it remains to be seen who has "caved in". So far it's just the usual hot air from Trump.
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« Reply #257 on: July 26, 2018, 12:48:10 pm »

Whatever happened there was started by the left's attack.
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Re: Trump III - the daily log
« Reply #258 on: July 26, 2018, 02:00:39 pm »

The left is violent.  Destruction of property is illegal....

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/betsy-devos-40-million-yacht-set-adrift-by-vandals-at-ohio-dock_us_5b59cf4fe4b0fd5c73cc92ea

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Betsy DeVos’ $40 Million Yacht Set Adrift By Vandals At Ohio Dock

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« Reply #259 on: July 26, 2018, 02:28:55 pm »

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