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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2017, 08:53:40 pm »

Edmund, they already avoid me; worse, they don't even see me.

Just discovered that Cindy Crawford's daughter - Kaia - or similar, is in the business too and has appeared on Vogue covers with Mum... who needs a camera or a cellphone to get ahead. To be fair, she's quite a pretty kid!

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Rob,

 The days of the patriarchy are over - the women now do it all themselves ... while enriching Facebook, Google and Twitter ;)

 It's interesting that the ones originally afraid of the direct-to-market phenomenon were the music firms, who thought the musicians would be able to market their own music over the Internet. It turns out the net left the music studios clinging on to life, but Facebook and Google ate the lunch of both the print press and the traditional advertising structures.

 Here in Paris we have a dotcom called  Ventes Privées where a few hundred women employees now account for something like 10% of all apparel sales in France.  Ventes Privées sells zillions of "remaindered" clothing items via pictures but ALMOST ALL THE FEMALE IMAGES ARE VIRTUAL (!).

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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2017, 07:07:52 am »

Rob,

 The days of the patriarchy are over - the women now do it all themselves ... while enriching Facebook, Google and Twitter ;)

 It's interesting that the ones originally afraid of the direct-to-market phenomenon were the music firms, who thought the musicians would be able to market their own music over the Internet. It turns out the net left the music studios clinging on to life, but Facebook and Google ate the lunch of both the print press and the traditional advertising structures.

 Here in Paris we have a dotcom called  Ventes Privées where a few hundred women employees now account for something like 10% of all apparel sales in France.  Ventes Privées sells zillions of "remaindered" clothing items via pictures but ALMOST ALL THE FEMALE IMAGES ARE VIRTUAL (!).

Edmund

Virtual women have a long history of promotion: mail-order brides come to mind, with or without remaindered apparel.

Reading the expat Scottish press, it seems one of the Glasgow glad-rags units has become super-successful since going not virtual, but listed. There you go. I think.

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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2017, 11:38:56 am »

Virtual women have a long history of promotion: mail-order brides come to mind, with or without remaindered apparel.

Reading the expat Scottish press, it seems one of the Glasgow glad-rags units has become super-successful since going not virtual, but listed. There you go. I think.

Rob

Yeah, well apparently they now have software that can stick the clothes on quite realistic "virtual women" and pose them.

I was at Vente Privée for a machine learning talk, and a lady explained that french women buyers won't buy clothes displayed by "normal-looking" models, they insist on "supermodel"  models, and at some point they just ran out of models for their photoshoots and went computer-generated. Their sales success demonstrates that human models and human photographers are totally superfluous for apparel catalog shoots, but we all knew that anyway, right?

I guess porn actors and camera ops may soon go the same way as the apparel models and be replaced by virtual models :)

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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2017, 11:54:44 am »

Yeah, well apparently they now have software that can stick the clothes on quite realistic "virtual women" and pose them.

I was at Vente Privée for a machine learning talk, and a lady explained that french women buyers won't buy clothes displayed by "normal-looking" models, they insist on "supermodel"  models, and at some point they just ran out of models for their photoshoots and went computer-generated. Their sales success demonstrates that human models and human photographers are totally superfluous for apparel catalog shoots, but we all knew that anyway, right?

I guess porn actors and camera ops may soon go the same way as the apparel models and be replaced by virtual models :)

Edmund

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I thought porn stars already were computer-generated creatures... shows how little of it has crossed my path! But even had it, isn't the technology so good we'd never know?

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Re: Why use an iphone when there is no other camera
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2017, 12:45:12 pm »



Are you going to post some of your iPhone pics? 
Here are two from my new X. I really like this camera coming from an iPhone 6. I like the Pano's, that way you can shoot 'live' and after, pin the best expression, and the HRD doesn't suck.
When I went to the Great Sand Dunes this month, I also took the 5DMII with 100-400 and was glad I did. But for an over night in Trinidad, traveling light, still had something nice from Simpson's Rest. At 100%, there are areas I think are over processed by the camera. This is 100% iPhoto/defaults.
This camera is vastly superior to a medium format camera. When that camera isn't with you!

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« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2017, 12:44:55 am »

Hi,

I would suggest that anyone having a high resolution camera, like my Sony A7rII at 42 MP, makes a small experiment.

  • Take sharp image
  • Downsize it to 50%
  • Upsize the downscaled file to 200%
  • Print both images at 16"x23" size

The results may depend on the observer's eye sight, but they may come as a surprise.

The way I see it, cell phone cameras are getting better over time. Much of sensor development happens on small sensors, they are employed everywhere.

The utility of cell phone cameras is somewhat limited by lenses. Cell phones are expected to be pocketable and that may mean that they probably cannot have very long focal lengths.

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Erik


Interesting discussion!  Are we are getting image quality confused with print quality?  Great images can be made with any camera but the possibility to make great prints is often diminished/restricted with lesser quality cameras – particularly if you print large. With the example you site, Giacomelli made exceptional images but his print quality was average at best.  Unfortunately, we have become accustomed to higher quality prints much as we have become accustomed higher resolution TV screens.  Additionally, we have become accustomed to large screen TVs.   It seems print size has increased with the advent of larger TVs.   Given a choice would you like to watch a movie on a TV made in the 60s?  I guess we have conditioned the viewer to want better resolution and larger size while their appreciation of better aesthetics hasn’t keep pace.
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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2017, 08:52:53 am »

One of the things I enjoy about medium format photography is the process of taking a picture.  The deliberate and sometimes somewhat arduous process (those long hikes particularly) of using my Phase One is part of what attracts me to it.  For me, it is an escape form the fast pace life I lead.  Using an iPhone doesn’t give me that experience. I recently returned from a shoot where I used my D850 and the experience wasn’t as satisfying.  In addition, working with the D850 files left me feeling that I left something on the table by not having the sharper more workable XF100 files.  If anything, I feel more like moving to a tech camera than moving to an easier more convenient solution.  If an iPhone works for you then great but it sure wouldn’t work for me!
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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2017, 04:14:44 pm »

This pic took less than 2 minutes to make, it’s almost good enough eg. for a flyer. With a “real” camera it would take tilt shift and lights.  Phones with their huge dof have revolutionised close-up photography.


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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2017, 04:17:38 pm »

This pic took less than 2 minutes to make, it’s almost good enough eg. for a flyer.
Almost?  :o
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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2017, 05:21:33 pm »

This pic took less than 2 minutes to make, it’s almost good enough eg. for a flyer. With a “real” camera it would take tilt shift and lights.  Phones with their huge dof have revolutionised close-up photography.


Edmund

Really? I don't doubt that the iPhone is very capable but your shot is nowhere near good enough even for a small screen shot and I doubt it convinces anybody.


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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2017, 05:55:58 pm »

Really? I don't doubt that the iPhone is very capable but your shot is nowhere near good enough even for a small screen shot and I doubt it convinces anybody.

That shot is trashy, with a random subject, and taken handheld with ambient light to keep a position reference, but it still shows the dof and magnification one gets from a phone. Now after criticising me, show me one of yours, taken with an MF kit, and objects not in the same plane. Go ahead, I’ve noticed that critics here always use “copyright” as an excuse not to post images.

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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2017, 02:47:51 am »

Almost?  :o

Sometimes good enough is good enough.
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Re: Why using medium format if there is an iphone...
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2017, 06:53:56 am »

That shot is trashy, with a random subject, and taken handheld with ambient light to keep a position reference, but it still shows the dof and magnification one gets from a phone. Now after criticising me, show me one of yours, taken with an MF kit, and objects not in the same plane. Go ahead, I’ve noticed that critics here always use “copyright” as an excuse not to post images.

Edmund

Hell, Edmund, this isn't rocket science. The beauty of medium format is that there's plenty of real estate. Take a step or two back, snap, crop into image, done.

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