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patjoja

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Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« on: October 26, 2017, 04:16:54 PM »

According to one prominent internet reviewer, 'Pros' do not use medium range zooms such as the Nikon AF-S 24-70 f/2.8 ED VR.  Only hobbyist use them. 

What do you guys think?

Patrick
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 04:23:40 PM »

IMO a “pro” lens is any lens used by one or more pros, as opposed to a marketing buzzword.

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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 05:01:10 PM »

Interesting. Probably 99.99% of the professional photographers I know (and that's probably several hundred people) would consider the 24-70/2.8 their bread-and-butter lens. But I guess they are all wrong.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 05:03:05 PM »

Hi,

That is complete nonsense. Any good photographer would use the appropriate tool for the task at hand. Moden zoom lenses are very capable, but they are still a compromise.

Just as an example, if you need short DoF and great bokeh, an Otus 85/1.4 or Sigma 85/1.4 Art may be the optimal choice. But if you need a 45 mm lens, an Otus 55/1.4 may be pretty useless. Zooms are flexible and can be very good, especially stopped down.

Best regards
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According to one prominent internet reviewer, 'Pros' do not use medium range zooms such as the Nikon AF-S 24-70 f/2.8 ED VR.  Only hobbyist use them. 

What do you guys think?

Patrick
« Last Edit: October 27, 2017, 02:10:53 AM by ErikKaffehr »
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 09:29:54 PM »

Look in almost any event or wedding photographer's kit and you'll find the answer there.

If you can't get the shot because you don't have the right focal length available (both in the kit, and on the camera body at the time it is needed), it doesn't matter how sharp your lens is. And missed shots mean no bookings, which means no income.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2017, 12:51:33 AM »

Interesting. Probably 99.99% of the professional photographers I know (and that's probably several hundred people) would consider the 24-70/2.8 their bread-and-butter lens. But I guess they are all wrong.

100% agree Ken. 24-70 2.8 is the #1 go to lens for almost any job. Sure they may use primes but the 24-70 is the workhorse. That is probably the first lens you buy when you move to a new system.  Anyone to make a statement like that has to be looking for clicks.

Now the 24-105 f4 kit lenses are another story....
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 04:03:10 AM »

Depends on what the pro shooting. A 24 to 70 is useless for product photography, too short for portraits and not really wide enough for most architecture. Pretty good for PR and wedding.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2017, 02:57:21 PM »

Yeah, right: the first - and last - zoom I bought was the 24-70 Nikkor G and it was a lemon. Never again. But then weddings were never my bag. Photography for me was always done with those focal length problems solved via primes. In other words, I avoided situations where I had little control.

Actually, now it's all my decision, I leave home with only the lens fitted to the body; that focuses the mind beautifully, but of course, pro life was seldom like that!
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David Eichler

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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2017, 05:23:15 PM »

With so many gullible people on the Internet, anyone can become an Internet “authority”.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2017, 06:05:17 PM »

Whose definition of "pro" is everyone using???   ::)
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2017, 09:35:57 PM »

Shall we give Patrick the benefit of the doubt and not call him a troll? Who cares about the opinion of "one prominent internet reviewer?" Those of us who consider ourselves basically competent and reasonably intelligent can figure out which tool to use for our own style of imaging. I'm not trying to make anyone else happy with my photography and am fortunately not trying to earn a living, I'd starve.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2017, 01:47:37 AM »

Shall we give Patrick the benefit of the doubt and not call him a troll? Who cares about the opinion of "one prominent internet reviewer?" Those of us who consider ourselves basically competent and reasonably intelligent can figure out which tool to use for our own style of imaging. I'm not trying to make anyone else happy with my photography and am fortunately not trying to earn a living, I'd starve.

No, I really wasn't trolling, really... ;-)   

I was reading Ken Rockwell's comments on midsize zooms, and when he made that comment I just sat there for a few seconds dumbfounded.  I'm not sure what "Pro" he has in mind because there are a lot of pros out there doing a lot of different types of work using lots of different tools.

In general, I appreciate Ken Rockwell's gear analysis, but sometimes he's over the top.  :-)  Oh well... 

Sorry...

Patrick
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2017, 02:59:18 AM »

The epitome of the self-appointed Internet authority.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2017, 03:56:45 AM »

A lot of people claiming to be pros and if the definition of pro includes making a living pontificating on the net then I guess they are pros. If your definition of pro is someone who is paid to take photos then not so many of them endlessly jabbering away on blogs and websites.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2017, 04:59:54 AM »

On a personal note I've always used primes. That said I've known many professional photographers who use zooms.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2017, 09:11:08 AM »

I was reading Ken Rockwell's comments ...

Probably best to just stop there

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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2017, 09:15:41 AM »

I guessed it was Ken Rockwell...

Although I would have thought the 70-200mm would be very slightly more universal than the 24-70mm.
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2017, 09:23:23 AM »


According to one prominent internet reviewer,

I was reading Ken Rockwell's comments on midsize zooms,

Since when is Ken Rockwell a prominent internet reviewer?
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2017, 09:27:19 AM »

Hi,

There were two expressions: "Medium Range" and "Zooms". It is quite possible that the most engaging photos are not shot with medium range lenses. It could be that more great images are created using wide angles, weather zooms or primes, than with medium range lenses. Same could apply to telephoto.

This may point in that direction: https://petapixel.com/2012/12/02/the-most-popular-cameras-and-settings-for-reuters-best-photos-of-the-year-2012/



I was shooting at Iceland this summer with my friend. We had very different statistics. Pierre was shooting with two cameras, the 16-35 on one and the 70-200 on the other. I was essentially shooting with one camera that I carried without a lens mounted, so my shooting was a bit more distributed. My friend also has a 24-105/4 lens, but for me the 24-105 was kind of default and for him it was more the exception.

The unknown lenses in my case are probably the two Zeiss/Contax zooms I carry for Scheimpflug photography.

Best regards
Erik
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Re: Medium Range Zooms not for Pros??
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2017, 09:49:25 AM »

I don't think anyone said anything about 'good photos'.

Most professionally-taken photos aren't taken to be good, at least from an aesthetic sense. They're technically competent, but taken for purpose of documentation rather than pure aesthetics.
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