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Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« on: October 18, 2017, 09:31:33 am »

I've just published this lengthy article on Lightroom 7's (Lightroom “Classic”) new Embedded & Sidecar workflow here
http://lightroomsolutions.com/embedded-sidecar-workflow-in-lightroom-classic/

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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 10:17:02 am »

Thank you for that contribution John, I'll read with interest.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 10:24:50 am »

I'll be posting another one later mainly on what Adobe call "Lightroom CC" and the name shenanigans. A lot of us expected the embargo would be lifted slightly later today, but things started tumbling out a couple of hours early!
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 10:43:28 am »

I've just published this lengthy article on Lightroom 7's (Lightroom “Classic”) new Embedded & Sidecar workflow here
http://lightroomsolutions.com/embedded-sidecar-workflow-in-lightroom-classic/

John

Finally ... it only took a decade of begging for this addition.  Although camerabits appreciated all those unnecessary sales of Photo Mechanic due to Adobe's indifference.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 11:14:33 am »

Thank you John. Very helpful.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 11:20:19 am »

Finally ... it only took a decade of begging for this addition.  Although camerabits appreciated all those unnecessary sales of Photo Mechanic due to Adobe's indifference.

And you know I've been one of those whispering in their ear! It works OK, but I do wish they had done something like Aperture 3 where you could switch to the embedded previews whenever you wanted, rather than being forced to set the option in Import.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 06:09:15 pm »

Thanks for the scoop John.  This is a real improvement but I feel LR is still missing the boat on an efficient workflow for photographers facing large imports and culling.  A workflow where you still have to import ALL the images into LR before culling is DUMB.  The initial cull should be made before importing in the import module by only selecting the winners or deselecting the losers.   In my wildlife shoots I typically only import 10-25% of the images on the card.  If LR sped up the browsing speed in the import module by prefetching previews this would solve this issue.  I won't be ditching photo mechanic yet.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 07:01:24 pm »

I would have preferred if they implemented a solution similar to FastRawViewer in the import module, which lets you check the images based on RAW data and very fast.

This Embedded & Sidecar workflow is useless (IMO) if you use ETTR, UniWB or "ISO less" mode during capture,

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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 09:06:07 pm »

I would have preferred if they implemented a solution similar to FastRawViewer in the import module, which lets you check the images based on RAW data and very fast.

I agree. However, they'd have to rewrite their code that develops RAW files to optimize it for blazing fast speed and less features, which is exactly what you get with FastRawViewer. They'd then have to maintain two primary code branches: the speed optimized one, and the image quality one. Adobe is awash in cash, but it's hard to see them doing that. It's also not immediately obvious they have enough engineering talent to do it. The FastRawViewer folks are clearly super-talented and hard-working coders. How many Erics does Adobe have? It takes special skills to develop that kind of code.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2017, 11:35:52 am »

I would have preferred if they implemented a solution similar to FastRawViewer in the import module, which lets you check the images based on RAW data and very fast.
And give us a stinking raw Histogram. No wonder they are embarrassed to call this version 7.  :o
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 01:36:44 pm »

grazie mille, John, chiarissimo e molto utile.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2017, 01:38:55 pm »

Prego ;)
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2017, 02:34:45 pm »

Thank you John. I’m away from my computer for another few days. I’m interested to see if they’ll be using all 4 cores in my i-7 effectively and if they now take advantage of the 8GB RAM video card in my new iMac. It seems like this solution is just a slight of hand trick. 
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 03:09:01 pm »

The generate previews in parallel preference (enabled by default) makes a big difference. Make sure you do some tests with Lr6 vs "Classic" - I find standard previews generate 4 times faster, 1:1 previews about 2 1/2 times faster. That's with tests of 500 compressed RAFs, which would be more demanding than if you used the demosaiced DNGs from XT.

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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2017, 06:53:06 pm »

thanks, John!!!  That's very encouraging.  I'll be testing things out this week with "Classic" as I'm back at home again.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 04:25:22 am »

I hope you noticed the point about Fuji, Ron. I switched to raw + jpeg to take advantage of the changes.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 07:30:05 am »

The generate previews in parallel preference (enabled by default) makes a big difference. Make sure you do some tests with Lr6 vs "Classic" - I find standard previews generate 4 times faster, 1:1 previews about 2 1/2 times faster. That's with tests of 500 compressed RAFs, which would be more demanding than if you used the demosaiced DNGs from XT.

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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 05:35:04 pm »

I hope you noticed the point about Fuji, Ron. I switched to raw + jpeg to take advantage of the changes.

Thanks, John, I did see that.  I'm intrigued and will give it a try.
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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2017, 03:47:08 am »

If you are processing the files as DNGs, Ron, I've not looked if XT provides an option to embed a full size preview. I would use it though. Sorry if that was obvious.

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Re: Lightroom 7's new Embedded & Sidecar workflow
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2017, 10:48:47 am »

I hope you noticed the point about Fuji, Ron. I switched to raw + jpeg to take advantage of the changes.
When you shoot raw+JPEG, which gets the optimal exposure?
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