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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5820 on: August 29, 2017, 11:54:45 pm »



"Hi! I'm from the government and we're here to help!"


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5821 on: August 29, 2017, 11:59:06 pm »

I've been telling my wife recently we have to go to the Thousand Islands.  I've always wanted to go muskellunge fishing.

I seldom find time for fishing on my trips, but taking a sightseeing cruise through Thousand Islands is always a very nice experience. Much nicer than the Rhein or Danube cruise.
Crossing the international boundaries and leisurely cruising between the islands on a warm sunny day you can even forget about Trump and any related forum discussions.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5822 on: August 30, 2017, 12:07:00 am »

The white population needs to be culled according to Michael Moore:

"by 2050, white people are going to be the minority, and I’m not sad to say I can’t wait for that day to happen. I hope I live long enough to see it because it will be a better country.”

Can one be a racist against his own race? ...

If one ever had doubts that liberals are waging a war on whites. Or about the real reason for favoring illegal immigration.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5823 on: August 30, 2017, 12:08:26 am »

These two photographs say more about the "Presidentialness" of the first family than a zillion pages of this thread ever could. 
Black stiletto heels on Air Force One, and USA and FLOTUS ball caps?  Really?

clicking on the first image several times allows you to view both of them sequentially

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/us/trump-texas-harvey.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=thumb&module=span-abc-region&region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

Somebody else noticed this questionable dress.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/29/news/trump-harvey-campaign-hat/index.html



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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5824 on: August 30, 2017, 12:13:37 am »

Somebody else noticed this questionable dress....

Trump was wearing a dress!? Impeach!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5825 on: August 30, 2017, 12:23:02 am »



"Hi! I'm from the government and we're here to help!"



Things seem to go better with the military doing stuff as in your helicopter rescue picture.  It's when FEMA and other civilian agencies get involved, government falls down.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5826 on: August 30, 2017, 12:27:44 am »

It's a form of nihilism. 

Bingo!  In other words: If I can't have the life I want, then nobody else can. BURN IT DOWN!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5827 on: August 30, 2017, 01:21:16 am »

Trump was wearing a dress!? Impeach!

No, no, no.  He was dressed in peach.  It goes with his hair.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5828 on: August 30, 2017, 02:27:17 am »

I posted awhile back that Trump could stand on his head and spit wooden nickels and the biased press would object to their size.  Well, here you go.  The "Old Lady" biased NY Times objects to the way Trump does his visit to Texas to inspire and give hope to the flood victims.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/opinion/trump-ego-harvey-floods.html?_r=0

Did you actually listen to Trump speak? He didn't thank the first responders...he didn't lament the deaths...he didn't thank the various groups that have come from all over the country to help the flood rescues. He didn't really do anything other than thank the governor and the FEMA director and comment on how famous he became on TV...

Wait, what? Trump is fixated on the fact that the FEMA director is getting a lot of air time on TV?

And then he goes on to comment on the size of the crowd? Again with the crowd?

President Bush today said what Trump should have said and then just shut up...and this was from an informal stop to visit with members of the Southern Methodist University football team from Houston.

In Dallas, George W. Bush offers words of support for Houston, via college football players

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During his stop on Tuesday, the former Texas governor told the players from Houston and the surrounding area that he knew they were "going through a really tough time," but they're not alone. "Just know that there will be a lot of people that are going to help the people down there," said Bush, who served as president during Hurricane Katrina. "A lot. Right now they're recovering, and so the key thing on the recovery is to keep people safe. And then it's going to be rebuilding. And if you're from that area, you'll be amazed at the people that come down there to help. All kinds of people. So, the days are dark now, but they're going to get better."

What did Trump say?

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I can tell you that my people are telling me how great your representatives have been in working together. It's a real team. And we want to do it better than ever before. We want to be looked at in five years, in ten years from now as this is the way to do it. This was of epic proportion. Nobody's ever seen anything like this.

And I just want to say that working with the governor and his entire team has been an honor for us. So, governor, again, thank you very much, and we won't say congratulations. We don't want to hear that. We don't want to congratulate. We'll congratulate each other when it's all finished.

Yeah so The Big Orange Dummy went down to Texas and did nothing to help anybody...is that about right?

Oh and the article in the NYT was not a report doodle, it was an opinion so not news...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5829 on: August 30, 2017, 02:39:26 am »

Not so fast there Donny...

Mattis freezes Trump ban on transgender troops pending review



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Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Tuesday night that the Pentagon's current policy on transgender troops "will remain in place" while President Trump's directive banning transgender people from joining the military undergoes an expert study.

The move by Mattis allows transgender people to continue serving openly in the military while the Pentagon considers whether to discharge them in light of Trump's order.

In a statement, Mattis said that Trump's directive would be reviewed by a panel of experts from the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security.

"Once the panel reports its recommendations and following my consultation with the secretary of Homeland Security, I will provide my advice to the president concerning implementation of his policy direction," Mattis said.

Trump just doesn't get it...he can't just make edicts and expect the country to turn on a dime.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5830 on: August 30, 2017, 06:25:57 am »

Unfortunately, when it comes to large natural disasters, there is really nothing that a president can do that won't end up pissing off a lot of people.  It is truly a political lose-lose situation.

If the president travels to the disaster area he will be accused of using it for a photo op and for disrupting the rescue/recovery efforts due to security
If the president does not travel to the disaster area he will be accused of not caring
If the president did what Bush did and fly over the disaster area he will be criticized for being "aloof" and detached while people are suffering.
If the president arrives quickly he is using the disaster as a political platform
If the president delays his arrival he is not giving the suffering citizens the priority they deserve.

There is really nothing that a president can do or not do during a major natural disaster that won't piss off many people. That's just par for the job.

Part of being president is accepting that no matter what you do or don't do, many people will be angry with you. How the president reacts to this gives us insight into his character.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5831 on: August 30, 2017, 07:29:19 am »

It's a form of nihilism.  These people need to get a life.

Michael Moore is a satirist. Taking his words literally might be a mistake. Just sayin'.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5832 on: August 30, 2017, 08:34:14 am »

The United States, unlike most countries, does not have a domestic intelligence agency.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (c) ...

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5833 on: August 30, 2017, 08:37:13 am »

The CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies have no law enforcement responsibilities. 

and yet CIA has people on its payroll that do just that  ;D

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/support-professional/security-protective-officer.html

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5834 on: August 30, 2017, 09:32:05 am »

Trump just doesn't get it...he can't just make edicts and expect the country to turn on a dime.

The same is true for NAFTA. I have friends who worked in the Canadian government department that did a lot of that work and it involved years of work writing detailed regulations in different industry sectors. It will take years to unravel them. And my understanding is that unraveling regulations is not a trivial procedure in the USA . A public body enacted those rules and had to justify why they were doing so. Any public body that undoes them has to do the same. There aren't Trump's rules or the lonnie left's rules, they are the countries' rules that were put in place for many reasons over many years. The Twitter media spin that Trump will wash all this away overnight and everything will then be just fine is a crock of BS.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5835 on: August 30, 2017, 10:22:38 am »

The same is true for NAFTA. I have friends who worked in the Canadian government department that did a lot of that work and it involved years of work writing detailed regulations in different industry sectors. It will take years to unravel them. And my understanding is that unraveling regulations is not a trivial procedure in the USA . A public body enacted those rules and had to justify why they were doing so. Any public body that undoes them has to do the same. There aren't Trump's rules or the lonnie left's rules, they are the countries' rules that were put in place for many reasons over many years. The Twitter media spin that Trump will wash all this away overnight and everything will then be just fine is a crock of BS.

I don't believe anything has happened on the ground.  NAFTA continues regardless what he says.  Frankly, I think this is just a political statement to satisfy his base.  He promised he would do this in his campaign,  so now he can say he did it.  If Congress doesn't follow up, well, it's their fault.  Also, he might be able to get additional concessions by playing tough.  He's always done that with his business agreements.  But otherwise, how has trade changed between the three countries since Trump said what he said?

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« Reply #5836 on: August 30, 2017, 10:29:29 am »

and yet CIA has people on its payroll that do just that  ;D

https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/support-professional/security-protective-officer.html


They guard CIA headquarters and personnel in Washington DC. That's not law enforcement.   They don't have policing authority in or to the public.

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« Reply #5837 on: August 30, 2017, 10:38:30 am »

Bingo!  In other words: If I can't have the life I want, then nobody else can. BURN IT DOWN!


It brings to mind Antifa and the other nihilists running around shutting everyone up and attacking them and smashing colleges and free speech.  Just angry people wanting to take out their frustrations in life by attacking and destroying everything else so they can feel better about themselves.  Meanwhile society gets bruised.  You think they could do something positive if they wanted to change things.  But they really don't believe in anything except hate.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5838 on: August 30, 2017, 10:54:34 am »

Michael Moore is a satirist. Taking his words literally might be a mistake. Just sayin'.
I've seen him talking with Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC. Actually, I enjoy listening and watching him.  He's pretty funny.  But I do believe his fans take him literally.  The loony left believes all this stuff.  The Democrats have used this stuff to get votes.  But it didn't work for them against Trump.  It'll be interesting to see how they're going to move from the left to the middle in the 2018 Congressional elections without losing the left's votes.  Most normal people aren't concerned with the percent of whites in America.  They're concerned with the percent of taxes they have to pay to the IRS. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5839 on: August 30, 2017, 11:01:42 am »

The same is true for NAFTA. I have friends who worked in the Canadian government department that did a lot of that work and it involved years of work writing detailed regulations in different industry sectors. It will take years to unravel them. And my understanding is that unraveling regulations is not a trivial procedure in the USA . A public body enacted those rules and had to justify why they were doing so. Any public body that undoes them has to do the same.

That's correct: U.S. federal regulations generally need to be established or modified in accordance with a statute, the Administrative Procedure Act.  Regulations typically fill in gaps in the more general language of laws enacted by Congress, and the APA is intended to provide assurance that agency regulations are consistent with their underlying statutes, that there is a rational basis for the regulations, and that the public has an opportunity to comment before the regulations go into effect.  The APA also provides for judicial review of regulations promulgated by federal agencies in many instances.

Withdrawal or modification of NAFTA may be even more complicated because Congress enacted a specific statute to implement the agreement.  It's not clear whether Trump can simply give notice of U.S. withdrawal, pursuant to Article 2205 of NAFTA, or whether he would need to seek Congressional authority to do so.  (Obviously, any modification of the agreement would require the consent of Canada and Mexico.)

It didn't appear that Trump was familiar with either the rulemaking process or the legal status of NAFTA during his campaign for president.  He didn't even seem conversant with the president's basic constitutional authorities, for that matter.  He gave the impression he believed he could change things on his ipse dixit.  That's not how the U.S. government works.
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