Trump II

[Schewe]

The cloud that you and the Democrats constant implying he was colluding did not let Trump act with the Russians without having to be accused he's was being nice to them because of it.  Now with that cleared up, Trump can move ahead with American interests as they relate to the Russians.  I think that's why Trump fired him. 

I don't know if Trump was personally involved in colluding with the Russians. As it stands all we actually know based on Comey's testimony is that he did indeed tell Trump he was not being personally investigated. But that does not clear the Trump Presidential Campaign of collusion–that's being investigated. So, the only thing "cleared up" is Trump himself isn't under investigated...the investigation into Russian interference and potential collusion by Trump "satellites" (Trump's word according to Comey) and that investigation is on going and is being conducted by Special Council Robert Mueller. So, in no way has Trump's "Russian Problem" gone away...

But, you dodged the question, who is lying; Trump or Comey?

A career huckster who is a pathological bullshiter or a career law enforcement professional?

Somebody is telling the truth and somebody is lying...

[Schewe]

Not to beat a dead horse (well, ok, I'm beating a dead horse because we all already know that Trump is a liar) but, we've been down this road since, well, forever. The "Birther Movement" comes to mind :~(

A Nation Bursts Into Laughter As White House Responds To Comey By Declaring Trump Isn’t A Liar

The country burst out laughing as the White House Deputy Press Secretary hid off camera for the press briefing while announcing that she can say "definitively" that Trump "is not a liar."

After James Comey had called President Trump a liar While testifying before the Senate, Trump White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in an off-camera briefing, “I can definitively say the President is not a liar.”

The White House’s claim that Trump isn’t a liar is itself a lie. Trump is the biggest liar in presidential history. PolitiFact found that only 17% of Trump’s statements are true. There has never been a president with a more extensively proven track record of lying than Donald Trump. For the White House to stand in front of the country and defend Trump’s honesty, it demonstrates that no one working at the White House has a single shred of credibility.

And, in case you've forgotten so many of Trump's lies, Politifact has a running list of Trump's lies (currently up to June 4th 2017).



All False statements involving Donald Trump

[pegelli]

So, who do YOU believe?

I believe Comey.

Trump tweets and White House statements provided several (sometimes conflicting) statements on why Comey was fired. My analysis is that if you need so many reasons to exlpain why you did it you're seeking excuses and not telling the truth. And Alan, this is not coming from biased liberal media, these different statements and tweets all came directly from the horse's mouth.

[Farmer]

I believe Comey.

Trump tweets and White House statements provided several (sometimes conflicting) statements on why Comey was fired. My analysis is that if you need so many reasons to exlpain why you did it you're seeking excuses and not telling the truth. And Alan, this is not coming from biased liberal media, these different statements and tweets all came directly from the horse's mouth.

Are you sure they came from the mouth end, Pieter?

[pegelli]

Are you sure they came from the mouth end, Pieter?

Haha, with his tweets you're indeed never sure. Maybe that's why the official White House spokespersons say we shouldn't pay attention to them 

[Robert Roaldi]

I feel so out of time. People are discussing what Trump says in his tweets, how truth or crazy or not they are, but I'm still a little annoyed that he tweets at all. It's so undignified. I said it the first time I saw him speak, he's just one of those used car salesman that make those lame pitches on late night local cable channels.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Out of all of the articles on CNN there was only really one I was concerned enough about to read yesterday, and the only one that would actually have an effect on the country, the one about the repeal of Dodd-Frank, which should be repealed.

Maybe the rest of America doesn't care about that either?

Cheers,
Bart

[Alan Klein]

The Dow is up 100 points today despite Britain and Comey.   The stock market,  jobs,  etc are what got Trump elected.  If the economy does well, the Republicans will keep Congress in 2018 and Trump will get re-elected in 2020.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

The Dow is up 100 points today despite Britain and Comey.   The stock market,  jobs,  etc are what got Trump elected.  If the economy does well, the Republicans will keep Congress in 2018 and Trump will get re-elected in 2020.

One wonders, who is trying to fool who?

Trump's 'infrastructure week' goes off the rails
http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/337046-trumps-infrastructure-week-goes-off-the-rails

"The White House's self-proclaimed "infrastructure week" has generated a flurry of headlines on nearly everything else.

Part of the reason the initiative was overshadowed was ex-FBI Director James Comey's gripping testimony on Capitol Hill, which commanded the attention of Washington and major cable news networks all week.

But much of the derailment on the infrastructure rollout has been of President Trump's own making. He repeatedly veered off message in tweets and during infrastructure-themed speeches, flouting some of White House staffers’ carefully laid plans.

“They tried really hard, and certainly several people inside care deeply about this,” said Marcia Hale, president of Building America’s Future, who worked under the Clinton administration.

“But inside the White House, you have to have incredible discipline to stay on message, regardless of what else happens. Everyone inside has to be on the same page, and that just didn’t happen.”

The White House launched a weeklong infrastructure initiative designed to ramp up support for Trump’s $1 trillion rebuilding proposal, which has yet to be fully released but remains a top priority for the president."


Oh well, another week lost. No, wait, there was this important signing:

 President Trump signed a memo on Monday outlining the principles of his plan to privatize the nation’s air traffic control system. Credit Stephen Crowley/The New York Times


President Trump Just Held a Signing. He Had Nothing to Sign
http://time.com/4805726/donald-trump-air-traffic-privatization-document-signing/

"After announcing his goal to privatize the nation's Air Traffic Control System, President Donald Trump sat down at a desk on Monday and signed two documents. There was only one problem: He wasn't actually signing something that would have any tangible impact on what he had just proposed.

A White House aide told reporters Trump had signed a "a decision memo and letter transmitting legislative principles to Congress," surrounding the privatization of the Air Traffic Control system, which he had just spent the last few minutes advocating for. But in order for his goal to come to fruition, Congress would need to pass legislation implementing it. Before Trump gave remarks Monday, White House officials had told reporters that the President is only dictating his legislative goals of separating air traffic controls from the FAA. Congress is not required to follow through on these goals."

Cheers,
Bart

[Peter McLennan]

If the economy does well, the Republicans will keep Congress in 2018 and Trump will get re-elected in 2020.

Right.

Because that's more important than anything else.

[mecrox]

So what's the overall feeling in the USA with Trump? That his administration will last the course OK or that it is too compromised and chaotic to work and that eventually he'll be forced to hand over to Mr Pence if only to ensure competent government (and thus competent stewardship of the economy)? I had the feeling from a few snippets on TV here that Comey probably marked by beginning of the end even if no charges are ever brought. I suspect it may be a simple thing really. Too many people at home and abroad don't like the guy and don't want to work with him - that's my impression, anyway - for his administration to succeed.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Right.

Because that's more important than anything else.

[Chris_Brown]

So what's the overall feeling in the USA with Trump?

It depends on where one is at, but many are still very bitter about it (e.g., just browse the previous thread that was locked by admin).

I, for example, am in a blue (democrat/socialist) county surrounded by red (republican/conservative) counties. If I were to walk down the street saying, "I love Trump!" I would be angrily confronted by one or more democrat/socialist citizen. If I were to go 50 miles in any direction and do the same thing, I would be given the thumbs-up sign with a smile.

How do I know? I tried it, and it was sadly disappointing.

As an aside, that election map of Illinois (11 counties out of 102 voting democrat/blue and carrying the state) was very similar to the overall map of the USA. Blue/democrat counties are clustered in metro/urban areas and red/republican counties are spread throughout the rest of the country.

[Alan Klein]

I believe Comey.

Trump tweets and White House statements provided several (sometimes conflicting) statements on why Comey was fired. My analysis is that if you need so many reasons to exlpain why you did it you're seeking excuses and not telling the truth. And Alan, this is not coming from biased liberal media, these different statements and tweets all came directly from the horse's mouth.

Trump stated he fired Comey because of Russia, that he refused to acknowledge publicly that Trump was not under investigation regarding any collusion.  Just re-read all the posts in this thread by Jeff and others accusing Trump of collusion. This tied the presidents hands in dealing with Russia. 

So you have a subordinate controlling his boss's action to do America's business with a foreign power.  If Comey could revel publicly that Hillary was no longer under investigation regarding her email server, certainly Comey should have removed the false cloud over Trump a lot earlier than at his hearing yesterday.  If he didn't want to make the decision to take the cloud away, he should have provided the information to the Department of Justice who he works for to make the decision.  He deserved to be fired so Trump can now do America's business with a free hand. 

As an aside, you can add to that his total mismanagement of the Hillary email server issue that even Democrats wanted him fired.  As Director of the FBI, he had no authority to decide what should happen to Hillary.  His job was to investigate.  The department of Justice (Attorney general or her associate) should have made the decision whether to indict or not. 

Now that the cloud has been lifted, expect to see more American discussions and meetings with Russia.   We have to be discussing things with them.  Creating a better atmosphere between America and Russia will benefit Europe as well.  Two nuclear superpowers having tanks aimed at each other in Eastern Zeurope is too threatening to the world to have the American president's hands tied with limiting ability to negotiate.  Don't you want to see things quieted down there?

[Alan Klein]

Right.

Because that's more important than anything else.

The economy including trade and jobs is the main reason he got elected.    So, yes.  It's more important than anything else. 

[Alan Klein]

Sorry Slobodan.  I didn't notice your cartoon post before I posted. 

[Alan Klein]

So what's the overall feeling in the USA with Trump? That his administration will last the course OK or that it is too compromised and chaotic to work and that eventually he'll be forced to hand over to Mr Pence if only to ensure competent government (and thus competent stewardship of the economy)? I had the feeling from a few snippets on TV here that Comey probably marked by beginning of the end even if no charges are ever brought. I suspect it may be a simple thing really. Too many people at home and abroad don't like the guy and don't want to work with him - that's my impression, anyway - for his administration to succeed.

You really have to stop watching liberal media only.  I realize 95% of the world's media is biased liberal, but you need to get some balance. 

Comey helped Trump today because he removed the cloud of collusion over him.  Now Trump can deal with the Russians. (see my previous post on this).  The President still has a Republican controlled congress.  So all the wheels of Washington power are Republican.  You've been so caught up in the liberal press's "let's destroy Trump" campaign, you haven't been paying attention to what Trump has been doing domestically and internationally to reverse Obama's lackluster administrations and liberal direction. 

Regarding Pence becoming President, there's no way Trump will get impeached, much less convicted by the 2/3 vote of the Senate.  The only way Pence will become President if Trump dies in office.    If the democrats want to regain power, they have to come up with a real plan of how they intend to help Americans rather than relying on calling the President obscene names.  Anyway, Trump, as you saw in the campaign, is better at that then anyone else. 

[Peter McLennan]

The economy including trade and jobs is the main reason he got elected.    So, yes.  It's more important than anything else.

Of course it is.  To Trump supporters. 
To the rest of us?  Perhaps not.

[Peter McLennan]

Sorry Slobodan.  I didn't notice your cartoon post before I posted.

Which, I have to add, was meaningless.  I can use Photoshop, too.

[Alan Klein]

Of course it is.  To Trump supporters. 
To the rest of us?  Perhaps not.

If the economy isn't important, what is?