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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #140 on: January 28, 2017, 10:39:24 am »

If you want a close encounter with the making of the economic crisis, one that starts with some lovely landscape scenes from Iceland, then I suggest you try to get hold of a video called Inside Job which consists of a series of interviews with, among others, key US players in that event.

I watched the thing twice, and came away with the impression that there was nobody, yep, nobody in the game who really managed to understand what they were playing with, and that in fact, it was the biggest pyramid scheme ever, with an absolute supsension, at every level of it, of the sense of the implication of what was being cooked.

Several key governmental advisors (mainly professors) were interviewed (still holding their university jobs despite the glaringly bad advice they had been giving), and it was almost funny to see them squirm and splutter and attempt to stand on dignity as defence.

Perhaps the banks and governments should have called in a few vegetable market traders instead; they probably employ more common sense every day of their lives. Another feather in the cap for PhDs then. ;-)

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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #141 on: January 28, 2017, 10:47:17 am »

I think this depends on which region of the country you live in.  We too have a number of practices that do not accept insurance assignment and my internist who I have been with for over 30 years is one of them.  He is getting ready to retire in a year of so and I've been looking for another provider.  I contacted a recommended practice and was told that since I was on Medicare they would not accept me.  This practice is fee for service and I asked why they would not accept me if I was willing to pay the fee as per their policy and the reply was only, "we don't accept patients covered by Medicare."  This is not unique in the Washington DC area as I have found out and has been confirmed by many others.  Of course, one can spend a lot of time making calls to try to find the best value but in an area as big as the one I live in it would take an inordinate amount of time.  It's not like most other areas where you can go on the Internet and get pricing information fairly quickly.  The more important point, is that although there is a huge amount of choice where I live there is very little information on quality.

IIRC, you are retired.  What's an inordinate amount of time, when you are not working for a living?  But I digress, the point here is that people CAN have skin in the game and they can find better deals if they try.  I think we all would agree that the vast majority never really care about the cost of medical service unless they are on a high deductible plan or one that excludes certain services.  They just blindly let the insurance companies pay.  I'm not saying that makes them bad people but it plays a big role in the upward spiral of costs.

There are ways to reduce your medical spending costs, as I've shown.  I can't believe that this Midwest city is somehow radically different than anywhere else in the country. 
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #142 on: January 28, 2017, 10:53:30 am »

Perhaps the banks and governments should have called in a few vegetable market traders instead; they probably employ more common sense every day of their lives. Another feather in the cap for PhDs then. ;-)

Rob

I think that is absolutly true.  I'm not saying that these so called experts and advisors are all full of beans, but the vast majority make their claims having never made a payroll, dealt with poor cash flow, or had to risk their personal savings to start and run a business.  Let alone deal with a creative team 😂
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #143 on: January 28, 2017, 11:07:25 am »

If he is a civil servant he cannot fire him but must go through administrative procedures which make it very difficult unless there is gross malfeasance.  People can always be reassigned to other positions within the organization but this is quite different from a firing.

Thank you for making my point for me.

The Director is a political appointee. He can be fired.  Crap runs downhill.   
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2017, 11:15:05 am »

You are the perfect example of why I think Trump is perfect for the times.  Heck you are really clueless.  But thanks for playing.  Btw, perhaps you should consider some other news sources than the -Washington Post.  Let me guide you away from one of your falsehoods...

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/fake-news-trump-did-not-mock-disabled-reporter-and-other-lies-from-the-left/

Like a few other of your posts you believe fake news because it fits your worldview.
If you imagine that the link you cite proves, demonstrates, suggests anything remotely credible, then you are truly delusional. That is perhaps what one expects from a peddler of sophomoric insults - "clueless", "thanks for playing".

The truth is that Trump is a disgrace to the US. You choose to pretend otherwise, for whatever motives you may have, but the facts are clear.
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #145 on: January 28, 2017, 11:34:02 am »

I'm sorry, but the root of this problem lies directly with the community investment act.  Did the bankers, ratings houses and others have a part, sure, but the ball started rolling with the CRA.  Who pressured the banks to start writing loans they never would have written?  CRA.   This is what happens when the a government tries to play God. Gotta love the law of unintended consequences.
There has been a lot of writing about the mortgage industry over the past decade and the effect of the CRA has been totally debunked.  Now you might disagree with that which is fine but you then go into the area of "alternative facts."

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The increase of the national debt is a phony issue? Well, Alan, you have just destroyed any shrewd of credibility you may have had. So we have fared better than the rest of the world because we continue to rack up massive debt that we can never repay? That's your position?   Let me ask you, could you live your personal life like that?  What happens when the tap gets turned off and the hand is out asking for the money back?   Reasonable debt, and debt that gets repaid is one thing.  Consistently overspending year after year with no means to pay more than interest alone is a death sentence. Yes, austerity is a good thing.  In fact it's a virtue. It's one thing for a business or family to go bankrupt.  It's quite another for a country.  This will not end well unless we as a country learn to live within our means.
This is just too laughable to take seriously.
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #146 on: January 28, 2017, 11:37:12 am »

That is perhaps what one expects from a peddler of sophomoric insults - "clueless", "thanks for playing".

Wait....up until now that has been you.

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The truth is that Trump is a disgrace to the US.

And now you're the arbiter of truth. That's not sophomoric at all.

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the facts are clear.

Then trot them out. Make no mistake, I'm not a Trump defender, I despise the man, but your palaver is based on a week in office. Maybe you've let in a little forecast bias? But that could not be so, right, I mean, I'm sure you thought it was insane when they gave Obama the Peace Prize before he'd done anything....and yes, even before he incubated ISIS.   Now that was crazy, right?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #147 on: January 28, 2017, 11:42:19 am »

Then trot them out. Make no mistake, I'm not a Trump defender, I despise the man, but your palaver is based on a week in office. Maybe you've let in a little forecast bias? But that could not be so, right, I mean, I'm sure you thought it was insane when they gave Obama the Peace Prize before he'd done anything....and yes, even before he incubated ISIS.   Now that was crazy, right?

You are so very boring, N80. Trump is not judged solely on his week in office - he has a long track record of appalling behaviour. Now - do you actually have a point? What did Camus have to say about grabbing pussy? Or did you just pop up here for the pleasure of contradicting me?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #148 on: January 28, 2017, 11:46:16 am »

Ad hominem attacks will not be tolerated and will lead to banning - even on this Coffee Corner Forum.

Please, do I have to lock this down? Or can you all argue as adults who differ?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #149 on: January 28, 2017, 11:47:15 am »

There has been a lot of writing about the mortgage industry over the past decade and the effect of the CRA has been totally debunked.  Now you might disagree with that which is fine but you then go into the area of "alternative facts."
This is just too laughable to take seriously.

Japan's debt to GDP ratio is extremely large and one of the main reason economists believe they have anemic growth. 

The question is what is the threshold where debt becomes a burden?  Also, if your currency is the reserve currency, are you as subject to poor growth due to large debts as another country?

No one really knows the answers here, however I would prefer to not find out. 
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #150 on: January 28, 2017, 11:54:23 am »

You are the perfect example of why I think Trump is perfect for the times.  Heck you are really clueless.  But thanks for playing.  Btw, perhaps you should consider some other news sources than the -Washington Post.  Let me guide you away from one of your falsehoods...

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/fake-news-trump-did-not-mock-disabled-reporter-and-other-lies-from-the-left/

Like a few other of your posts you believe fake news because it fits your worldview.

A commentary piece in a publication that consistently leans to the right of center, in accordance with your world view, can hardly be regarded as evidence of anything. I read the piece and the basis upon which it is written comes from two places. One is "Rebel Media's fiery host Gavin McInnes" who rants and raves about fighting liberals and teaches people "talking points" for defending Trump. He also wrote a piece called "5 Reasons To Vote For Trump". The other is a group called "Catholics 4 Trump", a right wing group that condemns all things "liberal". These are certainly not unbiased sources.

The evidentiary videos show that the reporter does not flail his arms when he talks, thereby claiming Trump could not possibly have been mocking his obvious physical deformity. They also show Trump making erratic arm movements on two other occasions, but more briefly, less exaggerated, and talking with reasonable normalcy while doing it. Anyone can distinguish that from what he did when talking about the reporter. In that case only he acted like a child mocking a disabled kid. We are apparently in an age where we should believe what we are told and ignore what we see and hear.

Similarly, we are to ignore Trumps own words about groping women, and the 13 women who confirmed them because Trump said "It never happened". 1984 anyone?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #151 on: January 28, 2017, 11:57:25 am »

Back in the early 1990s during Ms. Clinton's failed effort to solve the healthcare problem to just open up the program to everyone as a simple way to expand coverage.  It probably would have worked.

Hillary's plan had traction until the prospect of lost freedom was brought up. Her program could not promise it and its popularity fell immediately. Putting everyone on a Federal program would never had been sustainable. It would have sunk under bureaucratic burden.

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Isn't this the primary way costs are controlled?  One reason networks work is that they have negotiated pricing.

Are you kidding? Large systems negotiate higher payments for themselves because they are large. Small providers get screwed. If a large healthcare system has large market penetration then the prices soar, as they have done in the market I work in.

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You are making assumptions that individuals can easily do this for themselves.

No I'm not. As it stands the average person cannot understand the coverage decisions they make even with limited choices. I see it with Medicare secondary coverage everyday. The patients are lied to and scammed. Even the options from employers are staggeringly complex. So, first, it wouldn't be any worse, but second, the insurance companies would have to simplify because they would be selling directly to us. Think IBM vs Macintosh in 1984.

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I'm not sure that your statement about 'denying a test and dying' is valid.

What are you confused about. I order an MRI on a patient. His insurance company denies it. We appeal as the patient gets sicker. I talk to an MD who works for the insurer who looks at a set of guidelines and denies the scan. The patient cannot afford the scan and suffers the consequences. State medical boards claim that the insurance physician is practicing medicine on this patient and 1) must have a state license to do so and 2) is liable for his decisions. State medical boards have no teeth and federal laws do not hold them accountable. So he cannot be sued for his mistake. End of story.

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You seriously think doctors are going to lower their fees?

I know they will and they already are. Direct Primary Care is a new (very old concept) in which you pay cash for primary care visits. No insurance is accepted, no Medicare is accepted. Ever. You either pay for office visits or you pay, on average, $1000 a year for unlimited primary office care. Office visit rates are around $50. That's 1/3 what I charge under the current system. Those with large deductibles pay that out of pocket. Those on managed care plans have copays that range from $20-$40. I have two former partners doing this now. Super low overhead, 24/7 access for patients. For $500 a year for young patients. The patients will still need a catastrophic plan and hopefully under Trump those will become available again.
 
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I'm sure the AMA would go crazy.

I don't think people know what the AMA is. The AMA is almost irrelevant and has suffered low and/or declining membership for years. They are extremely liberal, advocated the ACA and actively seek a single payer system. They have little or no lobbying clout. They make no decisions whatsoever that affect physicians in any legal or binding sense. They certainly care nothing about physician compensation.

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In the states where this has already been done there has been very little impact of the cost of healthcare

That can't be good, right?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2017, 12:02:59 pm »

If you imagine that the link you cite proves, demonstrates, suggests anything remotely credible, then you are truly delusional. That is perhaps what one expects from a peddler of sophomoric insults - "clueless", "thanks for playing".

The truth is that Trump is a disgrace to the US. You choose to pretend otherwise, for whatever motives you may have, but the facts are clear.

Actually the link does prove you are wrong and there are videos of before and after the so called shaming of that reporter that prove it is nothing of the sort.

That's reality.

Maybe this will help you.

https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/

You got suckered by the media....
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2017, 12:09:13 pm »

I suspect the opposite;
I think the US deficit will grow under Trump;

As it did under Obama.

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built new highways and bridges

As Obama promised but failed to do. Remember "shovel ready jobs"?

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The rich will be richer and the poor will be poorer;

Exactly what we have from Obama.

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With his lack of diplomacy he already made China and Mexico pissed without any good reason; even before he was president.

Obama had the same sort of diplomacy as Neville Chamberlain. Who cares if Mexico is pissed? China needs to be pissed. We've been their cash cow for far too long.

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He twitters from the hip, without thinking. Next day he changes his mind again...

Agreed. He's an idiot.

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It is wrong to think a country can do it alone.

Prove it. The global village hasn't worked out too well either, right?

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Welfare is built on world wide trade and mutual understanding. That is what history shows.

When have we ever had that? Are you serious?

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The US is now (again) ruled by a bunch of cynic old conservative men deciding what is right for the young.

You clearly have no idea what happened in this election. The Democrats became the synical old men. They forgot the people. The people threw them out. But the bigger is that the cynic old conservative men are getting a boot in the butt right now too. This is not business as usual. The status quo, on both sides of the isle is gone.

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My biggest fear is that the US welfare will go down with Trump;

What on earth do you mean by welfare and what makes you think the liberals did ANYTHING to enhance it?

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Then we have a nation with angry old men at the top and the most/best arms in the world

You just don't get it. The Republicans are reeling under Trump and the Democrats STILL don't realize that for the last 8 years have been the angry old establishment.

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with a 'leader' as you call it, that pulls the trigger without too much thought.
for America First; America First.

Could be. Hardly any worse that Barak "Neville Chamberlain" Obama laying the ground work for ISIS and a Middle East far more disastrous than what Bush left him with.

The point is, Trump is an unknown. And if he does everything you say he will then he has only continued the legacy of Obama who spent 8 years wrecking this nation.

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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2017, 12:10:43 pm »

A commentary piece in a publication that consistently leans to the right of center, in accordance with your world view, can hardly be regarded as evidence of anything. I read the piece and the basis upon which it is written comes from two places. One is "Rebel Media's fiery host Gavin McInnes" who rants and raves about fighting liberals and teaches people "talking points" for defending Trump. He also wrote a piece called "5 Reasons To Vote For Trump". The other is a group called "Catholics 4 Trump", a right wing group that condemns all things "liberal". These are certainly not unbiased sources.

The evidentiary videos show that the reporter does not flail his arms when he talks, thereby claiming Trump could not possibly have been mocking his obvious physical deformity. They also show Trump making erratic arm movements on two other occasions, but more briefly, less exaggerated, and talking with reasonable normalcy while doing it. Anyone can distinguish that from what he did when talking about the reporter. In that case only he acted like a child mocking a disabled kid. We are apparently in an age where we should believe what we are told and ignore what we see and hear.

Similarly, we are to ignore Trumps own words about groping women, and the 13 women who confirmed them because Trump said "It never happened". 1984 anyone?

No, the MEDIA took a snippet of time and warped it to fit their agenda.  You fell for it.  What you did was believe what you were told without seeing with your eyes.   You have a problem with the source of my link, but the facts are the facts regardless.  Even worse you chose to believe the false narrative of the MSM because it fit your worldview, facts be danged

As to the groping claims, has any of those women, actually proven those claims in a court of law or are you just choosing to believe what you hear?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2017, 12:11:39 pm »

And you really are clueless, but again, thanks for plying.  Better luck next time.
Maybe this will help you realize just how guliable and foolish your position on this makes you look. 

Thanks for the ad hominem, Craig.
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2017, 12:15:41 pm »

There has been a lot of writing about the mortgage industry over the past decade and the effect of the CRA has been totally debunked.  Now you might disagree with that which is fine but you then go into the area of "alternative facts."
This is just too laughable to take seriously.

I've read quite a bit about this as well, and saying that the effects of the CRA has been debunked is laughable as well.  Might I suggest your position also fits the area of Alternative facts. 

Just to make sure I can understand you correctly.  You feel that a 19 trillion National Debt, that keeps growing, and a country that consistently outspends its income is just fine?  Is that your position Alan?
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2017, 12:31:07 pm »

I've read quite a bit about this as well, and saying that the effects of the CRA has been debunked is laughable as well.  Might I suggest your position also fits the area of Alternative facts.

Do you mean that your (undisclosed) Alternative facts 'trump' the other facts?

Cheers,
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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2017, 12:31:17 pm »

Thanks for the ad hominem, Craig.

Right...did you call me delusional?

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Re: 20th January, 2017
« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2017, 12:34:06 pm »

Do you mean that your (undisclosed) Alternative facts 'trump' the other facts?

Cheers,
Bart

No, I'm saying there are two sides to this issue and both some have merit. I believe the CRA had a huge hand in the crash of 08.  Alan seems to believe otherwise. 
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