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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2016, 11:24:39 am »

Thank you for letting us know Rikk.
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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2016, 11:45:00 am »

Thanks, Rikk !!!  Hopefully it will show up in my CC app soon and I'll be able to update.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2016, 12:00:47 pm »

Thanks, Rikk !!!  Hopefully it will show up in my CC app soon and I'll be able to update.

Ron,

The update did not show up until I refreshed the CC App. After doing that it showed up.

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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2016, 12:20:15 pm »

Can anyone confirm that this update does indeed fix the OS X color sync printing issue?

I'm not going to jump in early ... I've wasted too much time rolling back of late.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 12:24:17 pm »

Can anyone confirm that this update does indeed fix the OS X color sync printing issue?
I'm not going to jump in early ... I've wasted too much time rolling back of late.
Yes it does.


But Adobe makes it darn difficult to tell WTF they are going to do when you select to update in the CC app. Here's a copy and paste I just wrote publicly on the Adobe Family web site out of more frustration in how this is supposed to work:

It is incredibly difficult to figure out what you folks are telling us is the latest version to download based on the CC app. It does tell me there's a new version. When I click on "What's New" link from the CC menu item (Mac) it takes me to a page that doesn't tell me anything like what the version is I'm going to download or the fixes, just 'newer' features in general. This URL is far more specific and what I'd expect CC would take me to: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2016/07/lightroom-cc-2015-6-1-now-available.html

I do have a previous release with the print bug fix you folks supplied me to test. All I see in Get Info on the Mac is this: (Build 1083169) and Adobe Lightroom [1083169]. But in this newer version, selecting "about Lightroom"  tells me this is version 2015.6.1 so I'm not sure why CC thinks I need an update. I will do so but now I'm not sure if I need to print and measure targets again just to ensure all is well.

Could you people perhaps consider putting that useful info (2015.6.1) in the Get Info window too? Build 1083169 is meaningless in comparison.

Oh, in the CC app, after selecting update, all it shows me is "You're updating to CC 2015". Big engineering to tell me EXACTLY what version ( 2015.6.1 )?
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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 12:30:43 pm »

Yes it does.

Thanks Andrew,

So I'm guessing the problem wasn't an OS X or Printer driver issue?
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 12:34:53 pm »

So I'm guessing the problem wasn't an OS X or Printer driver issue?
That was Adobe's fantasies and no, it was purely a bug of their own creation for both Photoshop and LR (the former is fixed too FWIW). In fact, Apple's Preview and ColorSync utility printed correctly and much like my 'control', Photoshop CS6. Simply ridiculous to think this was an Apple bug or a print driver bug.
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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 12:43:19 pm »


The update did not show up until I refreshed the CC App. After doing that it showed up.

still not showing up for me, refreshed CC app, also tried logging out of CC app and logging back in.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 12:49:31 pm »

Yes it does.


But Adobe makes it darn difficult to tell WTF they are going to do when you select to update in the CC app. Here's a copy and paste I just wrote publicly on the Adobe Family web site out of more frustration in how this is supposed to work:

It is incredibly difficult to figure out what you folks are telling us is the latest version to download based on the CC app. It does tell me there's a new version. When I click on "What's New" link from the CC menu item (Mac) it takes me to a page that doesn't tell me anything like what the version is I'm going to download or the fixes, just 'newer' features in general. This URL is far more specific and what I'd expect CC would take me to: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2016/07/lightroom-cc-2015-6-1-now-available.html

I do have a previous release with the print bug fix you folks supplied me to test. All I see in Get Info on the Mac is this: (Build 1083169) and Adobe Lightroom [1083169]. But in this newer version, selecting "about Lightroom"  tells me this is version 2015.6.1 so I'm not sure why CC thinks I need an update. I will do so but now I'm not sure if I need to print and measure targets again just to ensure all is well.

Could you people perhaps consider putting that useful info (2015.6.1) in the Get Info window too? Build 1083169 is meaningless in comparison.

Oh, in the CC app, after selecting update, all it shows me is "You're updating to CC 2015". Big engineering to tell me EXACTLY what version ( 2015.6.1 )?

I don't know what the problem is. We both probably received the same beta to test early last week (and I can confirm it works fine). Anyhow, if you click on "Lightroom" and then on "About Adobe Photoshop Lightroom" you get a credits screen that looks like the attached, and in small print under the title it says "2015.6.1". The defective version was 2015.6 (without the point-one). So it's pretty clear what's what, provided the official release is also 2015.6.1.
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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 01:10:45 pm »

I don't know what the problem is.
Problem 1 is the CC app which doesn't tell us the exact version (it doesn't show 2015.6.1).
Problem 2 is in the CC app, when you want to know what's new, you're taken to a general site about LR and it's general newer features. There's nothing there that tells you about what this dot release provides.
Problem 3 is Adobe can't seem to put the version number into the Get Info dialog on Mac and rather tells us something useless: Adobe Lightroom [1083169]
Problem 4 for me (and maybe you) is that the CC app thinks there's a new update even though we have it and worse, can't install it. I had to do an Uninstall then use the CC app to install the 'official' version.
Problem 5 is I don't trust this new version per se so yes, I'm measuring targets again (wet, close enough) to be absolutely sure what's getting downloaded by the Adobe CC app really is a fix.
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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 01:12:17 pm »

That was Adobe's fantasies and no, it was purely a bug of their own creation for both Photoshop and LR (the former is fixed too FWIW). In fact, Apple's Preview and ColorSync utility printed correctly and much like my 'control', Photoshop CS6. Simply ridiculous to think this was an Apple bug or a print driver bug.

From what I understand reading various posts, the reality is a bit more complicated, but the responsibility isn't. I understand based on what I read in the Adobe Forum that the problem started with Apple deleting or amending some APIs that affected LR and PS for Mac OSX. I also understand that when Apple intends to make these changes, they provide them to developers about six months before publication allowing those developers to update their applications as necessary. If this is all correct, then one could credibly surmise that Adobe did not implement the necessary modifications to LR and PS print pipelines correctly, and also failed to adequately quality check their implementation. As I've mentioned elsewhere, in the final analysis, unless each developer remains responsible for their own applications, there is chaos; and if implementing that responsibility requires collaboration with the OS provider so be it. Now, even if Apple had not provided enough time or information to assure a faultless updating at Adobe, one could also credibly argue that with proper QA, the issue would have been detected before release and the two companies would talk enough to fix whatever. Anyhow, all this is now history.

Not to say history should be dismissed - we can do so as consumers provided the product is now OK, which I think it is; however, for the company it is a different story. There is something in the corporate environment (generally, not specific to any one industry) called "Lessons of Experience". I've lived through years of this, so I have a pretty clear view of what it involves. The basic philosophy is that when screw-ups occur, which for all kinds of reasons they can, it's important to diagnose exactly what happened, how, why, and what could have been done, with the benefit of hindsight, to apprehend them. The more thorough and probing the analysis, the more useful the results. The findings go into a report which becomes part of the corporation's "institutional memory". Then the next time a similar project or set of actions comes up, it is the responsibility of the quality checkers to make sure the project team has reviewed the relevant "Lessons of Experience" and taken the indicated measures to prevent a re-occurrence. One fervently hopes that Adobe has or will have such internal "Lessons of Experience" procedures in place to minimize the risk of future issues interfering with the smooth transition of the applications from one version to the next.
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Re: Lightroom 6.6.1/CC2015.6.1 Released
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2016, 01:14:24 pm »

Testing the new release (2015.6.1) versus the control (Photoshop CS6) but assigning Adobe RGB rather than sRGB to the target. PRINTS 'wet' right out of the printer!!!!



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dE Report
Number of Samples: 700
Delta-E Formula dE2000
Overall - (700 colors)
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Average dE:   0.69
    Max dE:   2.60
    Min dE:   0.02
 StdDev dE:   0.39


Best 90% - (629 colors)
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Average dE:   0.61
    Max dE:   1.19
    Min dE:   0.02
 StdDev dE:   0.29


Worst 10% - (71 colors)
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Average dE:   1.46
    Max dE:   2.60
    Min dE:   1.20
 StdDev dE:   0.33
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Higher max dE than using sRGB with dry targets. Need to let targets dry but it appears that the build from the CC servers has a fix (it's not a dE of 16)!
Will update finding after giving targets some time to dry. It's not uncommon to see a dE of over 1 with a wet target.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2016, 01:17:41 pm »

From what I understand reading various posts, the reality is a bit more complicated, but the responsibility isn't. I understand based on what I read in the Adobe Forum that the problem started with Apple deleting or amending some APIs that affected LR and PS for Mac OSX.
I am not buying that Mark. And I'm getting data directly, behind closed doors, from Adobe engineers (yes, originally that was their story and no, they are not unofficially sticking to it).
It makes zero sense that Apple would do this yet NOT fix their own two app's that print.
It makes zero sense that Adobe released two products with a broken print path and had to have end users bring it to their attention IF what they reported about Apple and print drivers were true.
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2016, 01:25:52 pm »

Problem 1 is the CC app which doesn't tell us the exact version (it doesn't show 2015.6.1).
Problem 2 is in the CC app, when you want to know what's new, you're taken to a general site about LR and it's general newer features. There's nothing there that tells you about what this dot release provides.
Problem 3 is Adobe can't seem to put the version number into the Get Info dialog on Mac and rather tells us something useless: Adobe Lightroom [1083169]
Problem 4 for me (and maybe you) is that the CC app thinks there's a new update even though we have it and worse, can't install it. I had to do an Uninstall then use the CC app to install the 'official' version.
Problem 5 is I don't trust this new version per se so yes, I'm measuring targets again (wet, close enough) to be absolutely sure what's getting downloaded by the Adobe CC app really is a fix.

OK - now I see where you are coming from:

Problem (1): correct, and they should.
Problem (2) is that they haven't updated the "What's New" page when you go for "More information", so the version history is incomplete and there we are stuck. I assume we are supposed to take their word for it that we are now installing 2015.6.1. - perhaps OK, but one likes the reassurance anyhow.
Problem (3); More generally, I don't understand why 2016 versions are still being called 2015 and yes, the exact version and build numbers for apps should be in "Get Info".
Problem (4): I was pre-advised to uninstall the test version before downloading the commercial version, because once we download from a separate source, CC loses track. However, this is not an issue that will affect anyone other than application testers. We are meant to suffer through the hoops :-)
Problem (5): Out of abundance of caution one can of course re-measure as you are doing, but I'm more of the view that if what they posted differs in any way from what they sent us, we would/should have been pre-advised. As you are anyhow doing it, I'll wait for your final outcome before either installing or testing the commercial update release - on dry prints.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2016, 01:29:50 pm »

As you are anyhow doing it, I'll wait for your final outcome before either installing or testing the commercial update release - on dry prints.
Well with an average dE of 0.69 with this new build, I'm 99.99% sure it's fixed. Yes, the max dE of one patch is 2.60 rather than 16 and I think that's the dry down issues. As far as I'm concerned, whatever Adobe's servers are providing us is a fix to this print bug. PS should be coming soon too. So for LR, download and print away.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2016, 01:30:54 pm »

I am not buying that Mark. And I'm getting data directly, behind closed doors, from Adobe engineers (yes, originally that was their story and no, they are not unofficially sticking to it).
It makes zero sense that Apple would do this yet NOT fix their own two app's that print.
It makes zero sense that Adobe released two products with a broken print path and had to have end users bring it to their attention IF what they reported about Apple and print drivers were true.

That's OK Andrew, I guess in the final analysis we're not saying all that much different in terms of where responsibility ultimately rests. I would of course be curious to really know how this mess happened, because we are agreed that releasing apps with such defects makes zero sense, no matter how one slices or dices it.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2016, 01:35:18 pm »

I would of course be curious to really know how this mess happened, because we are agreed that releasing apps with such defects makes zero sense, no matter how one slices or dices it.
This mess happened like all bugs. Some engineer made a mistake, they are human. WHY the mistake wasn't detected in TWO major app's before a release is a more interesting question to me.
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2016, 01:50:48 pm »

This mess happened like all bugs. Some engineer made a mistake, they are human. WHY the mistake wasn't detected in TWO major app's before a release is a more interesting question to me.

Yes, that is the key question indeed, and why I suggested the company needs to develop lessons of experience - in which there would probably be a key focus on QA and Product Management.
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