Brexit

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... while all the negative forecast of the stay camp in case of Brexit are starting to occur already?

... do we still call "populist" the mention of a real issue. I don't think we do.

You mean the market drop? One-day drop? Today, the markets are recovering. Does that vindicate the Leave side? Or simply illustrates that markets tend to go up or down on any given day, and that overreactions tend to correct itself over time?

As for "populist"... Immigration is a real issue. Does mentioning it counts as "populist"?

Once again, racism, bigotry, populism are simply labels one side slaps on another in absence of better arguments.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

From CNN:

It's not often that one decision can cripple your own economy, damage global investor confidence, imperil one of the most successful alliances in modern history, foster the rise of ultra-nationalists, precipitate the possible breakup of your own country, deeply divide your own party and cause a great schism between voters of every ideological stripe, but this is one of them...

What an insight! And all that after just one day of observation.

[Rajan Parrikar]

Once again, racism, bigotry, populism are simply labels one side slaps on another in absence of better arguments.

These days a "racist" or a "bigot" is simply someone who has the unfortunate habit of noticing things, as Bertie Russell might have put it.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Ok, this is too good (fun) to pass... a meme circulating the Internet:

"EU Referendum Local Results 2016 vs. Mad Cow Disease Outbreak Areas 1992

However, it would be a mistake to jump to conclusions."

 

[Zorki5]

"However, it would be a mistake to jump to conclusions."

 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

A view from Switzerland:

[muntanela]

She's still alive.

[JV]

A view from Switzerland:

Norway and Switzerland comply with EU regulations, have to allow free movement of people from within the EU and even contribute to the EU.

The same would apply to the UK.  Merkel has made it crystal clear that there will be no cherry picking...

[JV]

You mean the market drop? One-day drop? Today, the markets are recovering. Does that vindicate the Leave side? Or simply illustrates that markets tend to go up or down on any given day, and that overreactions tend to correct itself over time?

The pound went from $1.32 to $1.33 today... It came from $1.50...

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Norway and Switzerland comply with EU regulations, have to allow free movement of people from within the EU...

Are you suggesting that anyone from the 28 EU countries can immigrate to Switzerland?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

The pound went from $1.32 to $1.33 today... It came from $1.50...

That would be a 12% drop originally. Hardly a record drop in the last ten years:

[hjulenissen]

Norway and Switzerland comply with EU regulations, have to allow free movement of people from within the EU and even contribute to the EU.

The same would apply to the UK.  Merkel has made it crystal clear that there will be no cherry picking...

Our people voted to not be EU members. Then our politicians decided that we should be under strict EU control without having a saying in the directions of the EU, without asking the people.

I am all for free market, and for a Europe without wars. But I am not sure that this is (only) what the EU construct brings. If the goal of the EU is to make Europe into a US-like state, then those goals should be clearly stated and plans for democracy presented.

I truly don't understand why (reasonably) free trade cannot be had by writing agreements, rather than having a non-elected institution telling my nation that we need to start spying on our people in order to sell our goods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive

-h

[hjulenissen]

And as with Communism and some religions, it flourishes only amidst poverty and ignorance. Ain't no accident: it's just mind meds...

I'd say that the new fangled populist right thrives just as well (perhaps better) than the left among the poor and the ignorant.

-h

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I suggest only young, rich and highly educated should be allowed to vote.

[Jeremy Roussak]

That would be a !2% drop originally. Hardly a record drop in the last ten years:

It rose by some 8 cents against the dollar in the four days before the referendum, as traders speculated that Remain was going to win. It had been trading at $1.40 to $1.42 for several months. Yes, it's fallen, but not as much as the BBC would have you believe. Similarly, as I think I've observed before, the FTSE-100 finished last week about 2% up on the Monday opening level.

There was the customary initial hysteria. CNN's penetrating insight is a ludicrous comment on a single day.

Jeremy

[Jeremy Roussak]

Here is a little realism from the Guardian at last, it tells of the decay and poverty struck Britain in the 80's and never went away despite the pretence that it did -

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum

"realism"? The Grauniad wouldn't know realism if it tripped over it. It has a fixed mindset, the same mindset that led it to urge its readers to write to Americans in one state telling them not to vote for Bush (and increasing his majority in that state, I believe).

And the knee-jerk invocation of Thatcher in the last paragraph is exactly what I'd expect. All that that paper's readers have to see in an article is a mention of her to inspire a reassuring sense that evil still prevails and everything bad that has been described above can happily be attributed to her.

Or Blair, of course.

Jeremy

[scyth]

1942...

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I suggest only young, rich and highly educated should be allowed to vote.

Does that include bankers? 

Cheers,
Bart

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Does that include bankers? 

Only the young ones

[Rob C]

"realism"? The Grauniad wouldn't know realism if it tripped over it. It has a fixed mindset, the same mindset that led it to urge its readers to write to Americans in one state telling them not to vote for Bush (and increasing his majority in that state, I believe).

And the knee-jerk invocation of Thatcher in the last paragraph is exactly what I'd expect. All that that paper's readers have to see in an article is a mention of her to inspire a reassuring sense that evil still prevails and everything bad that has been described above can happily be attributed to her.

Or Blair, of course.

Jeremy

I think I believe that the best thing for the Com Socialists is to get Blair to stand, then push the poor guy into top spot. There's a good chance that turning back the clock will get them a better chance of forming a credible opposition. Of course, my side - well, the remnants of it - would need to exhume dear Margaret. I suppose there are those uncharitable ones that might suggest we wouldn't notice the difference, but they exaggerate.

;-)

Rob