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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #120 on: June 29, 2016, 10:38:32 am »

Are you of the belief that you were born with the knowledge of how to start a car?

The learning process does not advance purely through osmosis nor does it have to be a daunting, time consuming drudgery. You should not spend so much time and effort in building a straw man argument for your thesis that does not hold water in real world application.
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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #121 on: June 29, 2016, 12:28:52 pm »

I started this discussion hoping, as a community who use Lr extensively, we might have an intelligent exploration  re what we might like improved in Lightroom.

I am so disappointed it descended into a debate on the semantics of what is learnt and what is inherited with our dna.

While I do not agree with all the points made by TN in his video clip, I thought it was an interesting perspective. I hoped we may have learned from others who would have a different background and experience.

Unfortunately not. I probably should not have used TN's title. Apologies for that.
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« Reply #122 on: June 29, 2016, 04:11:49 pm »

I'm a former Aperture user.  I thought that program was the end all, be all of editing and file organization.  When I switched to LR only a year and a half ago, I knew I needed to study books, watch videos, join forums, etc. just to get up to the basic operational speed. 

I was and am still amazed at the great performance of Lightroom.  It's like never having had a microwave oven and not realizing how much I needed it.  I get it that some of you see clearly into the future of what you want LR to become.  I'm hoping Adobe doesn't read this forum and incorporate all these niceties.  I'll never get ahead of the curve:)

I, for one, really enjoy the capabilities of the Library and Develop modules.  That's where I started my learning adventure. So, I'm just trying to bring us back to the reality of Lightroom.  It's a pretty damn sophisticated piece of software that (from my point of view) works really well.         
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« Reply #123 on: June 29, 2016, 06:21:28 pm »

It's a pretty damn sophisticated piece of software that (from my point of view) works really well.         
Exactly! We've had an amazing amount of trivial knit picking and I'm at a loss trying to understand why.

LR is a well written package and it's basic modules, Library, Develop, and Print work exceedingly well.

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« Reply #124 on: June 30, 2016, 07:18:54 am »

I guess it's all what someone is after. 

For me, I would prefer to have less features added, and have Adobe take some time and fix the processing power issues behind LR, at least on the windows OS side. 

Open CL, that support really seems to do nothing but slow things down. 
Overtime, 1 to 2 hours, the entire program bogs downs to a point where you no longer can use it reliably without a restart of the program or reboot of PC
Time to load a large file say D810 K1 import tif from a IQ100, etc or multipart pano from said cameras can take as long as 10 to 15 seconds to fully load,
   (display the image at 100%), and moving around the file drags and can seemingly take the same amount of time. The more local adjustments, the longer
    it takes to zoom to 100%.  I use a lot of local adjustments as many as 6 to 8 per image along with ND filters.  Tool sets are there, might was well use them


This has been the case for me for over a year now.

Same issue on 4.0i7 Asus and 3.4 i7 Asus both machines running 32GB of ram, one win7 the other win10.  Both running GTX970 4GB cards with latest drivers. 

Same files opened in Photoshop CC, 2015.5, no problems, zooming take seconds, 1-3, moving around takes the same time, no matter how many layers are on the image. 

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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #125 on: June 30, 2016, 08:56:41 am »

From what you report, it could perhaps appear that Windows is causing different issues for LR than for OSX, because I'm running a six year old MacPro having "only" 24GM RAM (with 24 virtual cores) and not experiencing the kind of overall performance drag you report here. But these are a sample of two, so not necessarily determinative of a general issue.
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« Reply #126 on: June 30, 2016, 09:10:15 am »

Hi Mark,

I would tend to agree that the Mac version seems to both run faster and seems to have more ability to work with open CL. 

Both of my windows machines are 8 core i7, 32GB of ram, with SSD for both OS and separate SSD for cache/catalog. 

Process for me starts pretty much the same each time. 

LR starts out fast, and as my work continues, it slowly drags down to where it is taking 8 to 12 seconds to zoom a larger file to 100%, and movement around the file when zoomed to 100% is slow and clunky.  Smaller files from Fuji or Nikon seem OK, but Phase One or large multiple segment Nikon or Pentax files really drag down the system. 

I generally start with open CL enabled, (I keep hoping that it will work some day for me), but sadly the best performance for me is turning it off and just running on the i7 processors for now. 

My overall impression of open CL for both LR and C1 is that it's too complicated to cover many platforms or there are just too many issues between machines to get a standard that seems to work across multiple platforms. 

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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #127 on: June 30, 2016, 09:21:33 am »

Paul, this begins to sound more like a graphics card limitation. My card is an "oldie" by now (the same one that came with the computer): ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024 MB. You may wish to check the specs of this card compared with cards in the computers you are using to see if there could be enough capability difference to cause the issues you are experiencing, and if so, perhaps a graphics card upgrade would solve your problem.
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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #128 on: June 30, 2016, 09:59:06 am »

Hi Mark

I am running GTX 970 nvidia cards both are less than 6 months old.  Nvidia makes new gen cards but the 970 series is pretty solid.

It might be that LR just can't work with the Cuda and open CL of nvidia.

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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #129 on: June 30, 2016, 10:02:53 am »

I believe you can verify this on Adobe's website. If my memory serves correctly, they have a page of tested or compatible video cards.
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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #130 on: June 30, 2016, 10:31:42 am »

Thanks

I will give it look.

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« Reply #131 on: June 30, 2016, 11:53:44 am »

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I believe you can verify this on Adobe's website. If my memory serves correctly, they have a page of tested or compatible video cards.

Are you also using a Wacom tablet.

I decided to buy a new graphics card, approx 2 years ago,  for my Windows Pc.  I double checked the Adobe site, so I could select one that was recommended. Subsequently, I ran into problems with Wacom and discovered the graphics card I was using was not on their recommended list. [I may have this vica versa]. I also found that Nik software at that time had a different set of recommended graphics cards.

So, it might be worth also checking the compatibility of your graphics card as per both Adobe and Wacom recommendations.
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« Reply #132 on: June 30, 2016, 01:11:57 pm »

No Wacom, installed.  But the GTX970 is currently a pretty state of the art card, only 980 and 1080 are current above that I can tell and 1080 is just shipping.  Heck for Adobe the power of a correctly used GTX970 is overkill (for the card).

For the record, the GTX970 is support, and LR sees it and agrees it's supported.   Just not the best implementation for me I guess.

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« Reply #133 on: June 30, 2016, 02:57:02 pm »

FWIW, I am using the Intuos 4 L and the Intuos Pro M on Windows 10 Pro with the GTX970 with no issues.
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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #134 on: July 04, 2016, 07:25:56 am »

Are you of the belief that you were born with the knowledge of how to start a car?
No. But in the not-so-distant future, I hope that all people will have what it needs without any training, using self-driving cars. A great future, I think, based on car manufacturers spending R&D man-years on solving their users challenges.

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« Reply #135 on: July 04, 2016, 12:59:12 pm »

No. But in the not-so-distant future, I hope that all people will have what it needs without any training, using self-driving cars. A great future, I think, based on car manufacturers spending R&D man-years on solving their users challenges.

-h

We have had that in photography for years ... it's called the Program setting on your camera ... simply point and shoot. And if you shoot jpeg ... no need for any further thought or concern on the photographer's part. Why bother yourself with the knowledge and concept of how the image is captured or the technology that produced it? If that is the case ... just use a smartphone only and be done with it. Then you won't need to be encumbered by Lightroom at all.

As for the self-driving car ... yes ... it's a great future as long as the occupants of those vehicles are well-informed as to what they must do when the tech fails and they must once again become the driver.

One should always strive to be the master of technology ... then they can avoid being enslaved by it.
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« Reply #136 on: July 19, 2016, 01:41:00 pm »

I am having the same issues as Paul with a mac, ssd and these specs...( two graphic cards!!! )
it is really annoying
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Re: "Please Fix Lightroom"
« Reply #137 on: July 28, 2016, 05:26:43 pm »

......... For example, my main usability complaint with LR is with the syncing of catalogs between computers for those who work between a laptop and a desktop. This is doable, but awkward. There are other applications that manage to sync between devices much more easily, but they are different kind of applications. Perhaps it poses special issues for LR, I don't know; but if I ask them to improve this, it would be a feature request and not a fix.

This, this, a thousand times, THIS! That is what I've been saying since the release of Lightroom Mobile... I would even be happy with a Lightroom Mobile application that ran on my laptop. Seems like it should be a no brainer, especially given the fact that "Cloud" has been a part of the name for years now.
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« Reply #138 on: July 28, 2016, 05:29:04 pm »

No Wacom, installed.  But the GTX970 is currently a pretty state of the art card, only 980 and 1080 are current above that I can tell and 1080 is just shipping.  Heck for Adobe the power of a correctly used GTX970 is overkill (for the card).

For the record, the GTX970 is support, and LR sees it and agrees it's supported.   Just not the best implementation for me I guess.

Paul C

Paul, have you tried disabling GPU acceleration? I had issues with quality/speed (albeit on my less-capable Nvidia card) and have since gone back to CPU-only operation in Lightroom and don't suffer any such slowdowns. May be worth a try.

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« Reply #139 on: July 29, 2016, 10:59:50 am »

I guess it's all what someone is after. 

For me, I would prefer to have less features added, and have Adobe take some time and fix the processing power issues behind LR, at least on the windows OS side. 

Open CL, that support really seems to do nothing but slow things down. 
Overtime, 1 to 2 hours, the entire program bogs downs to a point where you no longer can use it reliably without a restart of the program or reboot of PC
Time to load a large file say D810 K1 import tif from a IQ100, etc or multipart pano from said cameras can take as long as 10 to 15 seconds to fully load,
   (display the image at 100%), and moving around the file drags and can seemingly take the same amount of time. The more local adjustments, the longer
    it takes to zoom to 100%.  I use a lot of local adjustments as many as 6 to 8 per image along with ND filters.  Tool sets are there, might was well use them


This has been the case for me for over a year now.

Same issue on 4.0i7 Asus and 3.4 i7 Asus both machines running 32GB of ram, one win7 the other win10.  Both running GTX970 4GB cards with latest drivers. 

Same files opened in Photoshop CC, 2015.5, no problems, zooming take seconds, 1-3, moving around takes the same time, no matter how many layers are on the image. 

Paul C
Paul are you using ssd's as disks? If that is the case then that can be a cause of slow down of LR. I have LR in use all day mail forcpriinting. And experienced slw down.  So I wet to a samsung sm863 enterprise grade ssd for my catalog and acr cache. No longer these slow downs.
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