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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2016, 11:32:33 am »

Thanks Mark.

I found the direct links here:
http://prodesigntools.com/adobe-cc-2015-direct-download-links.html

As you indicated, it does however overwrite the 2015.6 or whatever the new/broken version is.  I haven't tried to upgrade to latest, rename it and then re-install 2015 in the hopes of having both versions.

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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2016, 01:30:09 pm »

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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2016, 01:33:22 pm »

Howard, as of last night there is some updated info in the Adobe Forum indicating how to get the most recent previous version of LR. But it wipes your current version for better or worse. The Photoshop download does not wipe the current version. I downloaded PS CC 2015 also and it is working fine.
Another piece of advise I gave Adobe on their URL before it was uploaded was to tell us how to downgrade and if it would be possible to run the latest version of PS/LR and the last version just for printing. They didn't do that. That LR wipes out the newer version but PS doesn't, shows again that Adobe isn't paying attention, nor being consistent in their product line. Sad days!
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2016, 01:44:00 pm »

Sad days!

Indeed. If there were any professionalism left in that management group you would think by now they would be reaching out to some of us to have a serious technical discussion about our findings. Instead of that, they have barricaded themselves behind a wall of utter BS and they expect experienced, knowledgeable people to buy into their nonsense. It's flabbergasting. We aren't even at stage one of a solution until they come out of denial and offer to explore all possible causes of this issue, from wherever including themselves.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2016, 03:05:56 pm »

Mark, professionalism in management is about increasing profits every quarter, stock options and bonuses.  Those of us with CC subscriptions likely don't represent much opportunity for increased revenue.  We likely are simply a steady amount of revenue they can count on as they explore growth in other areas such as mobile.

http://insiders.morningstar.com/trading/executive-compensation.action?t=ADBE

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/adobe-profit-nearly-triples-on-digital-media-sales-2016-03-17

 
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2016, 03:10:35 pm »

None of that will happen if word spreads too far and wide that their products suck. For example, I've head that a great many of the professional studios in NYC are out of Lightroom and using Capture One these days. Even in this Forum we read of many participants using a variety of non-Adobe products. The integrated nature of the Adobe package is very attractive but only if it produces correct results without tearing our hair out.
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« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2016, 03:14:09 pm »

That's probably true but how many shops or people have dropped their CC subscriptions?  If you maintain a CC subscription for PS, etc. but choose to run Capture One instead of Lr it doesn't hurt Adobe at all.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2016, 03:27:29 pm »

I don't know the numbers, but Capture One has reached the point that this application alone combined with a RIP and perhaps some plugins can displace the need to use Photoshop for most purposes. There's a short term and a longer term. If a company is in it for the long haul, their survival depends on their reputation for reliability. For example HERO of Switzerland has been making jam and exporting it all over the world for the past 125 years - that's because decade after decade the bottle you're eating from now tastes the same as the last one you ate from. Adobe's reputation for reliability and predictability is being shaken due to a number of episodes over the past several years. I'm hanging-in anyhow for the time being, hoping they solve this soon; but if they don't, reluctantly I too shall be onto other workflows. It would be a pain, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but not indefinitely.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2016, 03:38:54 pm »

That may all be on the money, Mark, but CaptureOne is likely ONLY used by photographers.  I don't think the rest of the Adobe community of creatives (graphic designers, etc.) give a hoot about CaptureOne.  I don't have any numbers to support if Adobe is affected at all by photogs going to CaptureOne.

Could this eventually affect Adobe?  Probably but as it does I suspect Adobe will wake up and address some of the concerns then go back to their old ways.  This is just the way large corporations see things IMHO.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2016, 03:47:28 pm »

Unfortunately you may well be right. There is a dearth of long-term thinking, in corporate North America at the least, where quarterly results seem to have a consuming importance. In some other places long-term strategy arguably counts for more. But you know, all that said and done, one would still like to hope that "reputation" matters to some people and they'll do the needful sooner rather than later.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #70 on: July 02, 2016, 04:17:49 pm »

Quarterly results are currently the most thought of measurement in capitalism.  Wall Street gotta make money.  It's not easy to "short" every company on the exchange.  It seems like a house of cards but we're all invested in it in one way or another.

The best run companies do cherish their reputations and those of us who care about product quality look for shining reputations.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #71 on: July 02, 2016, 09:17:49 pm »

Indeed. If there were any professionalism left in that management group you would think by now they would be reaching out to some of us to have a serious technical discussion about our findings. Instead of that, they have barricaded themselves behind a wall of utter BS and they expect experienced, knowledgeable people to buy into their nonsense. It's flabbergasting. We aren't even at stage one of a solution until they come out of denial and offer to explore all possible causes of this issue, from wherever including themselves.

I posed this very scenario back in the early days of the CC only pathway for Adobe CS products. I worried that eventually management and the executives would prioritize profits over results instead of seeking a balanced approach that focuses on quality assurance. Though, I never expected so many incidents this soon in just one product cycle. I thought it would take a bit longer for them to fall prey to such a process.

What good is the 'Guided Upright' if a significant number of users can't accurately print that 'upright' image? It's just another failure in attention to detail before a version update is released.

Looking back on Lightroom 6.x/2015.x ... it has been a three ring circus comedy of errors with multiple minor and major fiascos that when scrutinized in toto, does not bode well for end users. It's been like they are asleep at the wheel.

So far, in the past year, for multiple updates, I have put off for several months updating Lightroom CC because of major issues caused by the ineptitude of those running the show for the Lightroom team. Yet, Adobe has received my monthly stipend without fail. They get their money ... I get problems and the absence of what I am paying for. On some level, reasonable thing folks could consider this theft of services by the developer.

What good is paying a fee every 30 days if they constantly screw up the application so I can't take advantage of the few new features, bug fixes and new camera/lens support offered in the updates? I end up paying for the new stuff, but can't use it because they release faulty, problematic products that hamper or entirely break my workflow.

We had to endure the Import Dialog Simplification implosion that took considerable valuable time for the engineers to rectify, not to mention the the problems most longtime traditional users had to endure because management thought they knew better. After which we end users received an apology and a promise they were going to 'listen' better ... they seem to have fallen tone deaf immediately afterward.

Then later on, it took three tries to restore the capability to export multiple images to Photoshop droplets after a botched update that broke the capability that had been around since at least Lr v2.

Now there are major ColorSync/printer profile issues for users of at least some Epson printers ... and Adobe insists it's the absence of OS and/or printer driver updates? ... When the proof in the pudding indicates no other apps created by other developers experience the same issues using the same exact OS versions and printer drivers they recommend applying?

Do they think we are idiots?

I must be, because I allowed my monthly payment for July 2016 to be paid to Adobe yesterday. I promise I won't be so forgiving if this trend continues until my next annual agreement comes around.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2016, 04:21:33 am »

Well said Butch

Although Lightroom is still my workhorse database/raw converter the current strategy to deal with the deteriorating performance is threefold:
- No subscription, only perpetual license and only update after all quirks are figured out
- Learning C1 (I find for some pics it's better, for some not as good), so I have an alternative raw processor I'm familiar with in case I feel I have to abandon LR
- Print from Photoshop CS3

That way I feel I'm not locked into Adobe in case things go further south.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2016, 05:37:22 am »

Following up my earlier post on this.

Digging about, prompted by Adobe's suggested approach, I discovered a more recent SC-P800 driver (9.79) on Espson USA's site than we have here in the Antipodes (where latest is 9.69)
So I installed the new driver and printed Andrew's test image again using LR 2015.5.1 and LR 2015.6.
Result the same as before.  2015.5.1 gives a print in tune with every other print I've made of this image.  2015.6 prints flat and banded.

The driver ain't the issue.


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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2016, 10:01:26 am »

With all the gripes about Lr and the CC Photography offering perhaps it's time to find a better forum to complain that will get Adobe's attention.  I doubt that many Adobe staff members follow the LuLa forums.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2016, 10:11:17 am »

With all the gripes about Lr and the CC Photography offering perhaps it's time to find a better forum to complain that will get Adobe's attention.  I doubt that many Adobe staff members follow the LuLa forums.

Any suggestions?

Supposedly, the feedback forum is monitored by many Adobe employees ... though if you hope to influence change ... it seems to take a significant number of complaints to get management to take notice and at least attempt to address concerns.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_photoshop_lightroom

and there is a thread on the topic already:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-2015-6-printing-broken-on-mac-os-10-11-5?topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Bfilter_by%5D=all&topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Bpage%5D=1#reply_17008748
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #76 on: July 03, 2016, 10:24:24 am »

So I installed the new driver and printed Andrew's test image again using LR 2015.5.1 and LR 2015.6.
Result the same as before.  2015.5.1 gives a print in tune with every other print I've made of this image.  2015.6 prints flat and banded.

The driver ain't the issue.
Thanks for checking! Thus far, about 48 hours after the Adobe suggestion, and despite them telling me they indeed tested this fix, I can't find anyone on numerous web forums who've found this fix works. Because it apparently doesn't! That's the kind of ammo I'm looking for.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #77 on: July 03, 2016, 12:48:10 pm »

So is Adobe Lightroom crew now manned with nono's or is management failing big time?
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #78 on: July 03, 2016, 02:49:00 pm »

Key people on the Lightroom development team are totally dedicated first class professionals. Nonetheless, mistakes and oversights can always happen, therefore QC in the first instance is supposed to be there to detect and require correction of those they find. In the final analysis, in any corporate environment there is a clear pecking order of responsibility, and in the case of software I suppose the ultimate responsibility for what goes out the door rests with the product manager. But it's often not even as easy as that, as there may also be systemic constraints on product management. I think people have identified enough screw-ups with these releases over the past while that it would be reasonable to infer some kind of systemic problem in Adobe with priorities, systems and resources devoted to quality assurance. Not being anything near an insider I have no idea about the details of what these problems (if so) may be, but looking from the outside in, these considerations would appear plausible.

All that said, our immediate priority is that whatever it takes to get this fixed, it should be done, and done soon. Then there should finally be some head-scratching to assure more reliable outcomes for future upgrades.
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Re: Lightroom CC 2015.6 now available
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2016, 07:26:56 pm »

Supposedly, the feedback forum is monitored by many Adobe employees ... though if you hope to influence change ... it seems to take a significant number of complaints to get management to take notice and at least attempt to address concerns.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_photoshop_lightroom

and there is a thread on the topic already:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-2015-6-printing-broken-on-mac-os-10-11-5?topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Bfilter_by%5D=all&topic-reply-list%5Bsettings%5D%5Bpage%5D=1#reply_17008748

Thanks, Butch!!!  Its nice to know there's a place where we can get their "ear"
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