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eronald

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #100 on: April 09, 2016, 09:36:28 am »

Maybe... You never know how much time-pressure is on the development. Hasselblad had to announce something ASAP, which usually doesn't help releasing a flawless product. Maybe they want it to be flawless first time, that's why they didn't announce it beforehand, but I would be surprised if that would be the case, as it would have been a major hit on the MF scene, that they come back with the first 100MP camera (if they would have announced let's say Dec15).
So, all I'm saying in certain circumstances any risk is too many.

There's a simple way to find out, and that's to ask the company's launch "reviewers" who did the promos which parts work, and which parts are still a little rough.

But I do agree that if you want zero risk you want a system *you* have used for several months. And a backup. Even rental is risky if you don't have the time to set up and test the system exhaustively. Been there, done that. Albeit not under as huge pressure as "Cooter", as he points out, but having model, style team and makeup there with a faulty rental flash system is enough stress for me.


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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #101 on: April 09, 2016, 09:40:10 am »

Aah.. Over 10kUSD price difference between H5D-50c and H6D-60c in Norway. Thats ALOT


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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #102 on: April 09, 2016, 12:47:49 pm »


One of feature of the new H6D I find interesting is the ability to output JPEG, i.e. it has a complete processing engine inside the back. Phase One backs do not have this, so while the LCD is good, the preview image is a little washed out and the colour is quite off. If Hasselblad gives DSLR-level preview images (and improve Phocus 3.0) then it would make me consider seriously.

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #103 on: April 09, 2016, 12:59:05 pm »

One of feature of the new H6D I find interesting is the ability to output JPEG,

The H5D has this feature already (2012?) , it has not led to the total collapse of the Team Phase One Empire  ;)
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #104 on: April 09, 2016, 06:31:25 pm »

Does anyone know which part of the 100mp sensor is used for 4K in mm?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #105 on: April 09, 2016, 06:41:33 pm »

It's full width but dropped top and bottom in 16:9 ratio.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #106 on: April 09, 2016, 06:57:08 pm »

Does anyone know which part of the 100mp sensor is used for 4K in mm?

Thanks in advance!

Good question this... I was also wondering... Logic says that it should be the nearest equivalent that can divide horizontal pixels accurately with 3840... (or is it cinema 4192?), that should be  3x3840=11520 horizontal pixels.... (which means full width of sensor!)
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #107 on: April 09, 2016, 06:58:38 pm »

Thanks, Nick. That's going to be an interesting look for video/motion. Who knows, maybe even some cinema shots.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #108 on: April 09, 2016, 07:11:42 pm »

Cinema 4k is 4192 horizontal resolution, 3840 is HDTV 4K... Strange thing is that the 50mp Sony sensor can do 8K cinema (8384 horizontal pixels needed) at full width, but Hasselblad preferred to let it down to 2K video.... Can it be that a future "cinema special" 8K RAW back is in the works?
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #109 on: April 09, 2016, 08:53:22 pm »

Thanks, Nick. That's going to be an interesting look for video/motion. Who knows, maybe even some cinema shots.

I shoot a fair bit of daylight food as it is, often with flash fill. I'm thinking I'll move to gelled Tungsten or HMI/LED fill. The idea of grabbing some moving image stuff with the same glass is pretty exciting.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #110 on: April 09, 2016, 09:43:42 pm »

Cinema 4k is 4192 horizontal resolution, 3840 is HDTV 4K... Strange thing is that the 50mp Sony sensor can do 8K cinema (8384 horizontal pixels needed) at full width, but Hasselblad preferred to let it down to 2K video.... Can it be that a future "cinema special" 8K RAW back is in the works?

Theo, at full data rate the sensor will heat up, and you also need some advanced electronics to store the data.
I think they might do short bursts at first.

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #111 on: April 09, 2016, 09:50:03 pm »

Theo, at full data rate the sensor will heat up, and you also need some advanced electronics to store the data.
I think they might do short bursts at first.

Edmund

Aaaahhh... forgot to mention the 60mins exposure time for the new backs!
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #112 on: April 10, 2016, 02:15:36 am »

It's full width but dropped top and bottom in 16:9 ratio.

Hi Nick,

Do you think there is any chance that in the 50MP back will shoot 4K in the future?

Ben
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #113 on: April 10, 2016, 06:23:29 am »

Great minds think alike Ben! I'll see what I can find out. In the mean time I wouldn't worry, most broadcast stuff is barely SD let alone 4K...
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #114 on: April 10, 2016, 06:57:44 am »

Aaaahhh... forgot to mention the 60mins exposure time for the new backs!

And something that is often forgotten, NO dark frame subtraction! 60 min exposure is only 60 minutes after which you can immediately capture a next shot instead of having to wait another 60 minutes...
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #115 on: April 10, 2016, 12:59:51 pm »

Will the h6d-100c not be a ideal camera for portrait handheld with the 100mm 2,2f wide open? It can be a tricky combo getting sharp images. Even the 80mm 2,8f wide open? Any thoughts?
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #116 on: April 11, 2016, 01:42:49 am »

This is truly huge!


And something that is often forgotten, NO dark frame subtraction! 60 min exposure is only 60 minutes after which you can immediately capture a next shot instead of having to wait another 60 minutes...
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #117 on: April 11, 2016, 04:19:08 am »

This is truly huge!

I always liked that, they have that on the old CCD backs too, no dark frame. Sure you're probably paying a bit of noise but it's not too bad and I'm glad to pay that price compared to waiting...
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #118 on: April 11, 2016, 05:32:39 am »

Great minds think alike Ben! I'll see what I can find out. In the mean time I wouldn't worry, most broadcast stuff is barely SD let alone 4K...

Thanks Nick. More importantly, can the footage be graded? Does it have a choice of gamma curves? Is there focus peaking and zebras? These aren't really advanced options anymore, really the bare basics for video in my opinion. You know what it's like shooting in daylight, often the midtones need to be boosted significantly to mimic the contrast of the stills we are trying to match.

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #119 on: April 11, 2016, 06:40:47 am »

And something that is often forgotten, NO dark frame subtraction! 60 min exposure is only 60 minutes after which you can immediately capture a next shot instead of having to wait another 60 minutes...

That was one big thing which forced me to switch from the fullframe CCD IQ260 to the crop CMOS IQ250 two years ago. Now the fullframe CMOS has made things right with both LE and sensor size. (Except for Torger that the symmetric wide angles are still unusable and he might still need to wait for the BSI version of MFDB.)
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