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Iliah

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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2016, 11:37:18 am »

Are any raw files available?
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2016, 11:43:08 am »

I always thought Elinchrom have a shorter duration at higher power. Silly me. Or maybe that was once upon a time. I thought this was what the guy who designed them had told me, I think, when I went to visit in Switzerland.

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They do.  What I said was that the flash duration doesn't improve by reducing power.  Perhaps I muddied the water by using the t0.1 duration of 1/900 sec rather than Elinchrom's published t0.5 duration, because the t0.5 doesn't really help in determining the motion stopping capability (unless you convert using the rule of thumb that t0.1 is 3 times t0.5, which holds pretty well for Elinchroms).
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2016, 12:03:14 pm »

Maybe half a dream?

"if you have the older lenses, then you'll get a boost in shutter speed from 1/800 to 1/1000s. They are all compatible with the 100mp sensor."

From; https://www.ephotozine.com/article/perry-oosting-on-the-hasselblad-h6d-29166

Looks like they got the leaf shutter up to 1/1000th, so with the same trickery as Phase (EFC - electronic first curtain) can cut the exposure in half.

All new glass is good, and the orange dot helps identify them.  The trick is that Hasselblad should hit up all the rental houses and qualify the lenses as being -100c ready.  There's a lot of older HC glass that hasn't gotten much love as of recent.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2016, 12:37:27 pm »

It seems like technical camera support is tether only so far, no battery adapter like on the H5D. You could probably make a self-made external battery hack like I've done for my H4D-50, but it would be nice if they actually provided a battery adapter for those field users that think the Sony CMOS performance is okay with their tech lenses.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2016, 12:41:31 pm »

so, touchscreen, USB 3, new interface, lenses with higher sync speed and actually up to date sharpness, and other stuff. this took Hasselblad just 5 years to catch up with PhaseOne...but now they are big steps ahead...1/400 flash sync speed more and 4k video...wondering if I should sell all my XF IQ150 gear and convert to Hasselblad...oh wait, I don't need 4k DMF video and more flash sync than 1/1600...so I think I will leave that out :-) but if I keep reading the forum I might believe that I won't be able to focus with an XF camera, so maybe I should change over to HB...don't know what to do...

and now you guys can grill me...hehe
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2016, 12:57:06 pm »

Are the Hasselblad backs sold without the cameras, just for use  with large format cameras?
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2016, 01:00:07 pm »

When do they start shipping?


Best regards, Terje
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2016, 01:06:08 pm »

Are the Hasselblad backs sold without the cameras, just for use  with large format cameras?

No, you must buy it with the body and throw it away. Or keep it on a shelf like I do with my H4 body ☺
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2016, 01:10:00 pm »

Two things:

Have the lenses actually been changed in any way apart from having new shutters put in? Are they optically better?

Anyone know how what the trade-in prices are?
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2016, 01:16:38 pm »

Two things:

Have the lenses actually been changed in any way apart from having new shutters put in? Are they optically better?

They are the same lenses optically.


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Anyone know how what the trade-in prices are?

http://www.hasselblad.com/us/products/h6d-trade-in-program/
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2016, 01:18:38 pm »

Anyone know how what the trade-in prices are?
US trade in: http://www.hasselblad.com/us/products/h6d-trade-in-program/

If you mean trade-in on lenses, I don't know.  That may not happen, but would really be welcome.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2016, 01:41:37 pm »

I believe the Ranger packs do.

The "old" Elinchroms (StyleRX) have a shorter flash duration at max. power - similar to Profoto D1 monoheads. The new Elinchrom ELC HD line has the shortest duration somewhere in the first 1/3 of its power.

Someone already pointed out a problem for those that want to use the 1/2000 sync speed - it will cut off a big chunk of your flash power if you're using a flash, even if it has a rather short duration. The Profoto monoheads won't work with it and I doubt the old Elinhcrom monoheads will either. The new heads might work at certain settings and the power packs likewise. But then again it's not a huge difference between 1/1600 and 1/2000 anyway...

It won't really help with freezing unless you plan to waste most of the power of your flash, if capturing motion is your primary target then you're better off getting a pack like Broncolor Scoro or the Profoto 8a (which will work at 1/2000s at lower power settings).
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2016, 01:45:11 pm »

Anyone noticed that 645 "full-frame" gets smaller and smaller? ;) This one is 53.4x40mm.

lol

The number of pixels is also slightly less: 8 rows less and 8 columns less

Lowest possible ISO setting is slightly higher: 64 vs 50 (though 100 should be the native base for both)

Touch screen is slightly smaller in size and in number of pixels.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2016, 02:37:30 pm »

I hope the lack of a multishot option isn't a sign that they're giving up on it.  I know Hasselblad's CEO doesn't like roadmaps, but I think a hint about the future of multishot would have been appropriate.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2016, 02:47:40 pm »

Any clues on what "Competitor 30MP" is defined as for trade in purposes?

US trade in: http://www.hasselblad.com/us/products/h6d-trade-in-program/

If you mean trade-in on lenses, I don't know.  That may not happen, but would really be welcome.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2016, 02:56:59 pm »

Any clues on what "Competitor 30MP" is defined as for trade in purposes?

Probably anything you can convince your dealer to accept. It is not like they are going to use these old backs, you know...  ::)
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2016, 03:12:50 pm »

Profoto air sync triggers sync to 1/1600 as do "el cheapo " Paul C Buff triggers and broncolor.  My dealer later today is sending me a price to have new shutters put in.  What do you guys think, can I get 19,000 for a kidney?  I really want to trade my 50c for a 100c but I would have to sell something.  Kidney or motorcycle- both I can't live without.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2016, 03:25:07 pm »

Profoto air sync triggers sync to 1/1600 as do "el cheapo " Paul C Buff triggers and broncolor.  My dealer later today is sending me a price to have new shutters put in.  What do you guys think, can I get 19,000 for a kidney?  I really want to trade my 50c for a 100c but I would have to sell something.  Kidney or motorcycle- both I can't live without.

You don't need to take the decision today. The trade-in offer is valid for a few months.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2016, 05:15:47 pm »

You don't need to take the decision today. The trade-in offer is valid for a few months.
Good to know.  Last trade in offer I did, Hasselblad decided to offer the camera at a lower price than with my trade in less than 2 months later!  Needless to say I was upset.
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Re: The H6D100c and H6D50c thread: The orange shutter button cameras!
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2016, 05:21:19 pm »

I hope the lack of a multishot option isn't a sign that they're giving up on it.  I know Hasselblad's CEO doesn't like roadmaps, but I think a hint about the future of multishot would have been appropriate.

To the contra... Hasselblad is offering the (cmos) 50MS & 200MS backs as "stand alone" (meaning one can purchase them without having to buy a complete camera system) offerings for a few months now... I guess an MS version of the 100mp sensor will follow....
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