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SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« on: October 30, 2015, 01:23:09 PM »

Hi all ! Does anybody out there use already this printer? Any comments please ...I use for some years now an 9900 but a I think a have to replace it.
Thank you
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2015, 06:02:15 PM »

After owning a 9900 I would not buy one of these new ones until I saw reviews on this printer and was convinced that the clogging issues were fixed.

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2015, 06:16:10 PM »

Hi all ! Does anybody out there use already this printer? Any comments please ...I use for some years now an 9900 but a I think a have to replace it.
Thank you
Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.


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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2015, 08:56:45 PM »

Well we know they have a great gamut, we hope they have great permanence now, and a very excellent dither. What we'll be dying to know is if you will still need to do all these head cleanings and nozzle checks all day. I guess the MK to Pk switch is still screwed up, and hard to imagine putting up with unless everything else is perfect.







Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2015, 05:50:15 AM »

Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.
Please report what is your experience ,when possible.I am particularly interested on how many clogs and cleanings have you noticed until now, but of course on the printing quality.This excellent quality(and the ease of use except the continues clogs) that I know from 4800 and 9900, does not permit me to move towards an other company, except if the new printer has more problems than the old one!
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2015, 06:16:13 AM »

Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.

Please print a file with both your P8000 and your 9900 and let us know if there is any perceivable difference. That would be very helpful.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2015, 03:22:40 AM »

Any news? Please...!
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2015, 05:53:35 PM »

I just finished setting up a P7000 (commercial edition with the violet ink) today.

My initial impression is that it's just a 7900 that had the LLK swapped out for the violet. The menu GUI is a little nicer, but the actual printer chassis and behavior seems very similar to a 7900. No clue yet about the ink delivery reliability and TBH won't have accurate impressions until a few months have passed. Doesn't seem any quieter or faster.

Just FYI, the printer does give you the choice to load LLK or V on startup. The regular and commercial edition engines are identical. But if you choose to load LLK or V, that will be your choice for all eternity. There are no take-backsies on this one (unless you're an epson service engineer).

Unless your machine is on its last legs or your clogs are so bad that you're doing power cleans every day, I would not upgrade. Just replace your machine when it wears out.

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 10:44:40 AM »

I just finished setting up a P7000 (commercial edition with the violet ink) today.

My initial impression is that it's just a 7900 that had the LLK swapped out for the violet. The menu GUI is a little nicer, but the actual printer chassis and behavior seems very similar to a 7900. No clue yet about the ink delivery reliability and TBH won't have accurate impressions until a few months have passed. Doesn't seem any quieter or faster.

Just FYI, the printer does give you the choice to load LLK or V on startup. The regular and commercial edition engines are identical. But if you choose to load LLK or V, that will be your choice for all eternity. There are no take-backsies on this one (unless you're an epson service engineer).

Unless your machine is on its last legs or your clogs are so bad that you're doing power cleans every day, I would not upgrade. Just replace your machine when it wears out.
Thank you.The Green channel is badly clogged and it is impossible to unclog .I need to change the printhead for the 6th time in the life of the printer ,so I prefer to buy a new machine but with extended 3 years warranty this time!
Thats why I am so in hurry to know details on how P9000 works...
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 01:58:19 PM »

Findings on the SCP8000 thusfar:
Blacks on gloss papers visibly blacker, not shocking but in A-B visible, in Dmax value +15%
Blacks on 1 matte paper (Innova IFA14) also visibly more black.
Optimum calibration (mediatype, ColorDensity) quite different compared to 9900.
On the IFA14 it appears to react stronger to the ColorDensity setting. Just default means seriously overinking the blacks, resulting in reduced Dmax, and crushed blacks of course.
No clogging experienced thusfar, while in same period 2 minor clogs on the 9900. Room conditions comparable ~20 degrees centigrade, around 50% humidity.

When job for exposition is done middle of next week, i will continue to test different papers, and different images. Part of them also side by side with 9900.

For me, i am contemplating on expanding, and are seriously considering replacing the 9900 with a scp9000 as well.

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 05:26:23 PM »

I am grateful to you Jan.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 11:50:53 AM »

See my response in the scp7000 therad
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 09:15:49 AM »

Jan,do you have anything new to report please.Any problems? How is the "feeling" of the prints?
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 12:05:41 PM »

Here a short note on the use of the Surecolor SC-P8000.
User interface on panel: menu is somewhat different compared to ESP9900, but generally speaking perhaps a bit more efficient.
Two things on the panel / User interface are disturing:
1 there is a default mediatpye selected, always. No clue as to why. For me useless is a specifiy media type and settings via the driver.
2 The indiucation of Low Ink, at least on the starter cartridges is a joke. It all of a sudden drops to " Ink Low", yet could print 9.0 m2 of very black images before matte black was actually empty.
Also in the user interface of the rriver, there is no indication of persentage ink left. So i have no clue as to how much ink is still in a cartridge.

I am performing a side by side with the ESP9900, with Innova IFA14  fine art matte paper.
The fist step is to find an optimum calibration for the paer, then followd by a profiling and subsequently testprints.
For the calibration is send some ramps and testchart via ACPU to the printer with no colomanagement active.
Here is the example of Enhanced Matte Paper media, highest resolution (5) and fine details on.
The paper thickness test gave identical results.
So i tested with different Color Density settings to find the best setting for the blacks, i tested with 0%, -4%, -8%, -12%
Attached a graph:

In essence for the ESP9900 the optimum is ColoDensity between 0 and -4%
For the SCP8000 it is between -8 and -12%

More to come.
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Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 05:00:45 AM »

Thanks again Jan.When you have time I am very interested to know how pleasant is the result from a "FineArt" aspect(this high D-max scares me a bit).Also have you experienced any clogs or other problems...
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 03:36:18 PM »

Thanks again Jan.When you have time I am very interested to know how pleasant is the result from a "FineArt" aspect(this high D-max scares me a bit).Also have you experienced any clogs or other problems...
(Apologies about my English. :) )
George,
The Dmax difference is from a visual perspectief not really big . About 0.6 dE so basically not visible .
What is more important is the fact that I need to bring the Color Density down to minus 10%. By doing so i do not have crushed shadow and get nice detailinformatie down into the deep blacks. Expect to have real image comparisons by rhe end of this week.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2015, 05:11:30 AM »

Has anybody something new to report?
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2015, 09:33:56 AM »

I do find it interesting that there are so few reports about the P7000 and P9000. Has anyone purchased these printer?
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2015, 12:11:53 PM »

I do find it interesting that there are so few reports about the P7000 and P9000. Has anyone purchased these printer?

Like penguins at the edge of the ice sheet... waiting for the first to dive in.

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2015, 02:48:28 PM »

I do find it interesting that there are so few reports about the P7000 and P9000. Has anyone purchased these printer?

New Canon iPF PRO series printers look more interesting - brand new inks, brand new printers.

Epson SC-Px000 have nice new Ultrachrome HD/HDX inks, but that's about it - the whole rest is virtually an old SP-x900/x890 (with some tweaks maybe)
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