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Title: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on October 30, 2015, 01:23:09 pm
Hi all ! Does anybody out there use already this printer? Any comments please ...I use for some years now an 9900 but a I think a have to replace it.
Thank you
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: iCanvas on October 30, 2015, 06:02:15 pm
After owning a 9900 I would not buy one of these new ones until I saw reviews on this printer and was convinced that the clogging issues were fixed.

Gar
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: JRSmit on October 30, 2015, 06:16:10 pm
Hi all ! Does anybody out there use already this printer? Any comments please ...I use for some years now an 9900 but a I think a have to replace it.
Thank you
Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.


Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: deanwork on October 30, 2015, 08:56:45 pm
Well we know they have a great gamut, we hope they have great permanence now, and a very excellent dither. What we'll be dying to know is if you will still need to do all these head cleanings and nozzle checks all day. I guess the MK to Pk switch is still screwed up, and hard to imagine putting up with unless everything else is perfect.







Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on October 31, 2015, 05:50:15 am
Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.
Please report what is your experience ,when possible.I am particularly interested on how many clogs and cleanings have you noticed until now, but of course on the printing quality.This excellent quality(and the ease of use except the continues clogs) that I know from 4800 and 9900, does not permit me to move towards an other company, except if the new printer has more problems than the old one!
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: iCanvas on October 31, 2015, 06:16:13 am
Actually using a p8000 right now on a fine art matte paper for an exhibition. I also have an 9900 but choose for the p8000.

Still testing its quality's on other papers.

Please print a file with both your P8000 and your 9900 and let us know if there is any perceivable difference. That would be very helpful.

Gar
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 03, 2015, 03:22:40 am
Any news? Please...!
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: Dan Vincent on November 04, 2015, 05:53:35 pm
I just finished setting up a P7000 (commercial edition with the violet ink) today.

My initial impression is that it's just a 7900 that had the LLK swapped out for the violet. The menu GUI is a little nicer, but the actual printer chassis and behavior seems very similar to a 7900. No clue yet about the ink delivery reliability and TBH won't have accurate impressions until a few months have passed. Doesn't seem any quieter or faster.

Just FYI, the printer does give you the choice to load LLK or V on startup. The regular and commercial edition engines are identical. But if you choose to load LLK or V, that will be your choice for all eternity. There are no take-backsies on this one (unless you're an epson service engineer).

Unless your machine is on its last legs or your clogs are so bad that you're doing power cleans every day, I would not upgrade. Just replace your machine when it wears out.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 05, 2015, 10:44:40 am
I just finished setting up a P7000 (commercial edition with the violet ink) today.

My initial impression is that it's just a 7900 that had the LLK swapped out for the violet. The menu GUI is a little nicer, but the actual printer chassis and behavior seems very similar to a 7900. No clue yet about the ink delivery reliability and TBH won't have accurate impressions until a few months have passed. Doesn't seem any quieter or faster.

Just FYI, the printer does give you the choice to load LLK or V on startup. The regular and commercial edition engines are identical. But if you choose to load LLK or V, that will be your choice for all eternity. There are no take-backsies on this one (unless you're an epson service engineer).

Unless your machine is on its last legs or your clogs are so bad that you're doing power cleans every day, I would not upgrade. Just replace your machine when it wears out.
Thank you.The Green channel is badly clogged and it is impossible to unclog .I need to change the printhead for the 6th time in the life of the printer ,so I prefer to buy a new machine but with extended 3 years warranty this time!
Thats why I am so in hurry to know details on how P9000 works...
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: JRSmit on November 05, 2015, 01:58:19 pm
Findings on the SCP8000 thusfar:
Blacks on gloss papers visibly blacker, not shocking but in A-B visible, in Dmax value +15%
Blacks on 1 matte paper (Innova IFA14) also visibly more black.
Optimum calibration (mediatype, ColorDensity) quite different compared to 9900.
On the IFA14 it appears to react stronger to the ColorDensity setting. Just default means seriously overinking the blacks, resulting in reduced Dmax, and crushed blacks of course.
No clogging experienced thusfar, while in same period 2 minor clogs on the 9900. Room conditions comparable ~20 degrees centigrade, around 50% humidity.

When job for exposition is done middle of next week, i will continue to test different papers, and different images. Part of them also side by side with 9900.

For me, i am contemplating on expanding, and are seriously considering replacing the 9900 with a scp9000 as well.

Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 05, 2015, 05:26:23 pm
I am grateful to you Jan.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: JRSmit on November 06, 2015, 11:50:53 am
See my response in the scp7000 therad
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 11, 2015, 09:15:49 am
Jan,do you have anything new to report please.Any problems? How is the "feeling" of the prints?
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: JRSmit on November 14, 2015, 12:05:41 pm
Here a short note on the use of the Surecolor SC-P8000.
User interface on panel: menu is somewhat different compared to ESP9900, but generally speaking perhaps a bit more efficient.
Two things on the panel / User interface are disturing:
1 there is a default mediatpye selected, always. No clue as to why. For me useless is a specifiy media type and settings via the driver.
2 The indiucation of Low Ink, at least on the starter cartridges is a joke. It all of a sudden drops to " Ink Low", yet could print 9.0 m2 of very black images before matte black was actually empty.
Also in the user interface of the rriver, there is no indication of persentage ink left. So i have no clue as to how much ink is still in a cartridge.

I am performing a side by side with the ESP9900, with Innova IFA14  fine art matte paper.
The fist step is to find an optimum calibration for the paer, then followd by a profiling and subsequently testprints.
For the calibration is send some ramps and testchart via ACPU to the printer with no colomanagement active.
Here is the example of Enhanced Matte Paper media, highest resolution (5) and fine details on.
The paper thickness test gave identical results.
So i tested with different Color Density settings to find the best setting for the blacks, i tested with 0%, -4%, -8%, -12%
Attached a graph:

In essence for the ESP9900 the optimum is ColoDensity between 0 and -4%
For the SCP8000 it is between -8 and -12%

More to come.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 15, 2015, 05:00:45 am
Thanks again Jan.When you have time I am very interested to know how pleasant is the result from a "FineArt" aspect(this high D-max scares me a bit).Also have you experienced any clogs or other problems...
(Apologies about my English. :) )
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: JRSmit on November 15, 2015, 03:36:18 pm
Thanks again Jan.When you have time I am very interested to know how pleasant is the result from a "FineArt" aspect(this high D-max scares me a bit).Also have you experienced any clogs or other problems...
(Apologies about my English. :) )
George,
The Dmax difference is from a visual perspectief not really big . About 0.6 dE so basically not visible .
What is more important is the fact that I need to bring the Color Density down to minus 10%. By doing so i do not have crushed shadow and get nice detailinformatie down into the deep blacks. Expect to have real image comparisons by rhe end of this week.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 22, 2015, 05:11:30 am
Has anybody something new to report?
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: KevinMcD on November 22, 2015, 09:33:56 am
I do find it interesting that there are so few reports about the P7000 and P9000. Has anyone purchased these printer?
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: gkroeger on November 22, 2015, 12:11:53 pm
I do find it interesting that there are so few reports about the P7000 and P9000. Has anyone purchased these printer?

Like penguins at the edge of the ice sheet... waiting for the first to dive in.

Glenn
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: Czornyj on November 22, 2015, 02:48:28 pm
I do find it interesting that there are so few reports about the P7000 and P9000. Has anyone purchased these printer?

New Canon iPF PRO series printers look more interesting - brand new inks, brand new printers.

Epson SC-Px000 have nice new Ultrachrome HD/HDX inks, but that's about it - the whole rest is virtually an old SP-x900/x890 (with some tweaks maybe)
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: JRSmit on November 23, 2015, 06:28:40 am
New Canon iPF PRO series printers look more interesting - brand new inks, brand new printers.

Epson SC-Px000 have nice new Ultrachrome HD/HDX inks, but that's about it - the whole rest is virtually an old SP-x900/x890 (with some tweaks maybe)
Can you elaborate on this ? 
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: Czornyj on November 24, 2015, 02:18:51 am
Can you elaborate on this ?

It's a pure speculation - but until now, the construction of iPF was virtually unchanged since first iPF x000 series, and there were 3 generations of LUCIA inkset - LUCIA, LUCIA II, LUCIA EX (x300, x400). New iPF PRO series features brand new inkset (LUCIA PRO) as well as brand new printer construction.

The present iPFx400 series with LUCIA EX is already competitive to SC-Px000, so it's quite interesting what else will be improved in iPF PRO, which is brand new design in both ink and printer construction respects. Especially because AFAIK Canon LFP Solutions monitors LuLa Printing forum very carefully... ;)
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 28, 2015, 07:43:56 am
Jan,do you have to report anything...?
Thanks
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: keithcooper on November 28, 2015, 06:15:55 pm
I've been trying to see about doing a review of the new Epson's for a while, but have as yet been unable to get one for review here in the UK. It's interesting to see initial reports here.

I'm looking forward to trying out the PRO-1000 before too long (and comparing to our own iPF8300) and seeing what tangible differences there are.

However, one area I'm always rather aware of is that even if I get a printer to try for a month I can't say much about issues of cleaning/clogging - that needs somewhat longer usage than I get ;-)
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: George Marinos on November 29, 2015, 06:09:56 am
Hi Keith
I hope you will find an P_000 to make an interesting review ,as always.Here in Greece I think only one has arrived by now.
I plan to do some tests on it next week as far as the owner will permit it. But I will not have,probably, enough time, so the test will
be visual and preliminary. As far as the clogging problem concerns ,my 9900 had little problems right from the beginning.
I hope P9000 will have not!
Kind regards
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: framinghouse on January 01, 2017, 09:51:40 am
hi

I own a Framing Company in India branded as Framing House ( http://www.framinghouse.in ) Now planning to enter Printing business specially Canvas Printing . Did searched reviews for 44 inch P9000 and P10000 sure color printer .

Sometime clients need canvas prints up-to 60 inch . So do these printer support such sizes.

Also kindly share your experience and reveries so that can go for best product . As these printer are really expensive so want to ensure before making purchases .
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: Wayne Fox on January 01, 2017, 04:03:58 pm
to do 60" prints you would need the p20000 printer.  Very fast, high quality output pretty much on par with the p8000, well built, designed for production (head is effectively 2.7" wide).
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: sketchindia on May 13, 2018, 10:43:59 am


Really informative thread . gone through most of replies . We have Printing Studio branded as http://www.printingstudio.in (http://www.printingstudio.in) .

We need to print on 380 to 400 GSM canvas , Should have support for all media like Canvas , Photo-papers , Vinyls, Wallpapers etc .

Also want to ask how much it really matters with Printing colour options. Like Epson offering 16 colour machine and Hp offering 11 Colour Machine. Does it impact printing a lot . We need mainly for Canvas art Prints . We will be producing high quality oil paintings and Portraits like images shown in this Oil Portrait Website (http://www.sketchportrait.in)

We are looking for high quality large format Printer . Have shortlisted 3 companies Epson, HP and Canon.

So plz advise best suitable 60 inch printer.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: mearussi on May 16, 2018, 01:08:34 am

Really informative thread . gone through most of replies . We have Printing Studio branded as http://www.printingstudio.in (http://www.printingstudio.in) .

We need to print on 380 to 400 GSM canvas , Should have support for all media like Canvas , Photo-papers , Vinyls, Wallpapers etc .

Also want to ask how much it really matters with Printing colour options. Like Epson offering 16 colour machine and Hp offering 11 Colour Machine. Does it impact printing a lot . We need mainly for Canvas art Prints . We will be producing high quality oil paintings and Portraits like images shown in this Oil Portrait Website (http://www.sketchportrait.in)

We are looking for high quality large format Printer . Have shortlisted 3 companies Epson, HP and Canon.

So plz advise best suitable 60 inch printer.

No such thing as the perfect printer. From everything I've read each has their strong and weak points.

1. HP has the best fade resistant inks but also has poorest gamut, and tonal transitions are not as smooth as with Canon and Epson.

2. Canon's 60" printer has all 10 inks vs only 8 for the Epson 20000 so Canon will have better gamut. But their new ink set only has 1/2 the fade resistance of the new Epson inks. 

3. Epson has excellent fade resistant compared to Canon, almost as good as HP but with much better gamut and tonal transitions.  But Epson's new high speed head for the 20000 has a reputation of breaking down a lot so purchasing a 3 year warranty is highly recommended (which will appreciably raise its price compared to the Canon and HP).  Epson also uses more ink per sq meter, sometimes up to 50% more. This makes Canon a little cheaper but also the extra ink from Epson is difficult for some canvasses to absorb which can result in sticky blotchy patches, though this will obviously not be a problem if you use actual Epson canvas.

So as you can see there is no simple or perfect answer.

(All of the above only applies if you're talking about an aqueous printer. Latex or Solvent is another matter entirely.)
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: Wayne Fox on May 16, 2018, 01:24:30 am
Like Epson offering 16 colour machine and Hp offering 11 Colour Machine.
Which is the model of a 16 color epson?  I'm not familiar with it.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: MartyR99 on May 16, 2018, 09:40:53 pm
I have had my P9000 for only 2-3 months and am pleasantly surprised at the lack of nozzle gaps compared to the 7890 that did a nosedive over a year ago with 2 completely clogged channels, then completely belly up about a month ago (I was using it for B&W since 2 colors were gone). 

It seems to me that nozzle gaps are less frequent (to non-existent) on the P9000 when I simply turn off the printer at the end of the day/after the last print.  I run a nozzle check immediately after power-on and log the results in a journal of sorts.  Prior to power off at night strategy, I saw a few small gaps about once per week.  I would say that I rarely need to do a pair cleaning and when I do it seems almost always due to a few gaps in Light Cyan, although there have been none on that channel for the past month since I began just powering off the printer for overnight.  The quality seems at least as good as the 7890, a little more intense/saturated colors, no complaints at all on quality.
Title: Re: SureColor SC-P9000 STD - Epson printer
Post by: jwittes on May 17, 2018, 09:44:08 am
I saw that you referenced a problem with the green channel.  I posted a work-around a few months back.  Not an ideal solution but it will get you by until you decide what to do.  Here is a copy of my previous post, hope it helps...

I’m the “proud” owner of (2) 9900’s. The oldest of the 2, bought in early 2010, finally had a printhead failure about 6 months ago with the yellow channel. I decided to keep it for parts in hopes to keep the other running for a least another year. Over the course of January the second printer showed signs of the orange channel going out. It was hit and miss depending on subject matter if the output was being effected. Last week the channel went almost completely out. Just 2 orange lines are printing top and bottom on the nozzle check. Unfortunately, I’m not in a position to replace the machines just yet. Replacing the printheads are out of the question given the cost (even if I attempt to do it myself) verses the cost of new machines. I had/have work in-house that still needed printed so out of desperation I deleted the printer from my system (Mac) and reinstalled it using the 9890 driver hoping that it would work given the printers are similar less the orange and green channels. To my amazement it worked and the output looks good. I’m not sure what the long tern ramifications of doing so are but given the printer was going to electronics recycling if figured it was worth a try. I thought this info might help someone out there with a bad orange or green channel.