So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?

[Craig Lamson]

If you provide the facts of activation, it blows holes in the silly scenarios provided. Namely, so called photographers haven’t used Photoshop for the last 29-89 days, go on location with laptop that must launch the product or client rips them a new one. Photographer didn't check much important laptop prior to leaving and now, out in the middle of nowhere, with no possible access to the net, the shot is ruined because they didn't check their gear properly before leaving! I suppose if they forget their lens, that too is Adobe's fault.

As someone that has traveled the world building profiles on software that cost many thousands of dollars more than Photoshop, software that will not run without a hardware dongle, I've always had a backup plan and that dongle so I can actually get the work done. But that's just me. Instead of bitching at x-rite and Colorlogic about hardware protection that would hose an entire job, I ensure I can use the tools.

Earth the guy at sitting at the desk....

I might use Photoshop nearly every days for months on end, WITHOUT said computer being connected to the internet.  Pre CC it was never a problem as far as Photoshop is concerned.

Abobe Photoshop versions prior to CC also provided a great backup plan, for WORKING photographers with a brain...a BACKUP COMPUTER.  Just like all the other backup equipment that gets taken to assure a successful shoot.  

Funny how the reality works..

Bedsides, the odds of TWO separate computers FAILING while sitting on the shelf kind of BLOWS HOLES in the silly statements of the man sitting at the desk.

[Craig Lamson]

You mean you acted like a professional. Seems like that is getting lost on many folk here.

This is still way beyond your ken...

[chez]

This is still way beyond your ken...

And your scenario of working in a cave without any access to the outside for months on end is getting a little far fetched. Maybe computers with electricity and such is just not made out for you.

[Craig Lamson]

And your scenario of working in a cave without any access to the outside for months on end is getting a little far fetched. Maybe computers with electricity and such is just not made out for you.

Reading is also beyond your ken....imagine that.

Let me explain it again the the hard of reading.

I have laptop computers that are DEDICATED to being used as location tether and processing stations.  They don't get used for anything else.  As a rule they don't get updated often, simply because if they are working, there is no need to potential "break" them.  They run while on location, usually with no net access.  They don't get booted when back in the office as the days working files are written an external drive and that is used to transfer the files to the server back at the office.

They just don't get connected.  By choice.

Again, pre CC this was never a problem as far as Photoshop was concerned.  However now ...if I choose to use PSCC on these machines another couple of steps have been added to an already complicated enough workflow...NEEDLESSLY.



You might want to check out that first rule of holes thing again...

[chez]

Reading is also beyond your ken....imagine that.

You might want to check out that first rule of holes thing again...

Seems its beyond a lot of people then I guess...except you of course. As usual, you just resort to name calling etc...

I suggest you don't get CC and just move along with your life. Your contrived scenario just does not fit into the CC model...good luck with using the perpetual GIMPER...hahaha.

[Craig Lamson]

Seems its beyond a lot of people then I guess...except you of course. As usual, you just resort to name calling etc...

I suggest you don't get CC and just move along with your life. Your contrived scenario just does not fit into the CC model...good luck with using the perpetual GIMPER...hahaha.

Again you can't read...imagine that.  

[digitaldog]

They just don't get connected.  By choice.

Dumb choice. But you're free to do so and suffer the consequences be it an inability to activate software or end up on site with a laptop that doesn't work. 

Again you can't read...imagine that. 

Translation: if you don't agree with my silly premises it's because you can't read. If that's the best you can do to argue your case, you don't have a case. And the beat goes on....

[digitaldog]

If you want to circumvent all the necessary checks and balances to ensure all your equipment operates on location, then blame (in this case) Adobe, you're really not a professional.

Meanwhile, the boneheads that like to attempt an insult with 'the guy behind the desk' might find it interesting that this so called angry dog traveled to three continents last year alone to build ICC profiles for a Fortune 25 company using products that require hardware activation. The client was on site. I had no less than 3 backup schemes to run the necessary software and had of course, no such issues. Photoshop CC (necessary to complete the work) was utilized too and of course, no issues.

Don't want to connect a laptop to the net and launch Photoshop? Don't want to charge the camera batteries, check the stobes and have extra flash tubes, a 2nd camera body etc and then blame anyone but yourself for a failure to complete the job lands squarely on your shoulders. There are no other excuses acceptable if you call yourself a professional (anything).

[Craig Lamson]

Dumb choice. But you're free to do so and suffer the consequences be it an inability to activate software or end up on site with a laptop that doesn't work.  Translation: if you don't agree with my silly premises it's because you can't read. If that's the best you can do to argue your case, you don't have a case. And the beat goes on....

What a dumb statement.  I have no need to activate software if the laptop is running fine and thus I'm not going to have a laptop that fails to work on location because of an activation issue. And even if that somehow should happen I have backup.

What pathetic logic on your part.

Seems digital of would review the rule of holes as well.

[smahn]

An annual plan with annual activation would seem a reasonable compromise. Any reason Adobe couldn't offer this?

[digitaldog]

Seems digital of would review the rule of holes as well.

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Yes attempting to read what you've written is difficult, perhaps English is a 2nd language. Not the first post of your's that makes NO sense.
And the beat goes on...

[Craig Lamson]

If you want to circumvent all the necessary checks and balances to ensure all your equipment operates on location, then blame (in this case) Adobe, you're really not a professional.

Meanwhile, the boneheads that like to attempt an insult with 'the guy behind the desk' might find it interesting that this so called angry dog traveled to three continents last year alone to build ICC profiles for a Fortune 25 company using products that require hardware activation. The client was on site. I had no less than 3 backup schemes to run the necessary software and had of course, no such issues. Photoshop CC (necessary to complete the work) was utilized too and of course, no issues.

Don't want to connect a laptop to the net and launch Photoshop? Don't want to charge the camera batteries, check the stobes and have extra flash tubes, a 2nd camera body etc and then blame anyone but yourself for a failure to complete the job lands squarely on your shoulders. There are no other excuses acceptable if you call yourself a professional (anything).

You really do have your panties in a bunch.

Take the lame CC out of the equation and you have no argument.

I have AMPLE backups of everything , in fact a TRUCK full of them.  I'm not circumventing anything other than the onerous activation CC scheme enacted by ADOBE.

Again, you go off half cocked again and prove you can't read.

I'm not blaming Adobe.  Its their product and they can choose to sell it as they see fit.  I in turn and decide to reject it if I see fit.  I've simply spelled out ONE of my reasons I reject it.  My method works perfectly.  No need for the silly procedures you suggest.

If I fail to complete a job because I have an equipment failure, no one is to blame but me.  Which is WHY I take steps to minimize failures, such as not potentially breaking things that are working just fine by "updating" to a less reliable product.  Again...FOR MY SITUATION.

Amazingly I've not failed to complete a job because of equipment failures in decades.  Oh plenty of things have failed but with proper prep that's not an issue.

I'm so glad you have such good luck sitting at a desk using CC.  Enjoy.

[Craig Lamson]

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Yes attempting to read what you've written is difficult, perhaps English is a 2nd language. Not the first post of your's that makes NO sense.
And the beat goes on...

Pardon me for not proofing my post.  You are clearly the superior human being. [/sarcasm]

[jjj]

Translation: if you don't agree with my silly premises it's because you can't read. If that's the best you can do to argue your case, you don't have a case. And the beat goes on....

No you seem to have reading/comprehension issues, which is why the point keeps getting raised.

An annual plan with annual activation would seem a reasonable compromise. Any reason Adobe couldn't offer this?

It is indeed the sensible plan and what people would like and have asked for.
I've never had activation issues myself, but also I never want them either. So anything that reduces the chance of that is a good thing.
I bet you can get a cracked copy to circumvent this issue entirely and then keep it next to your paid for version.

[dseelig]

The real facts are Adobe have become a monopoly and are using their power to make sure we are giving every penny they can get out of us with a flawed CC.

[chez]

No you seem to have reading/comprehension issues, which is why the point keeps getting raised.
It is indeed the sensible plan and what people would like and have asked for.
I've never had activation issues myself, but also I never want them either. So anything that reduces the chance of that is a good thing.
I bet you can get a cracked copy to circumvent this issue entirely and then keep it next to your paid for version.

Yep...and that would be truly professional of you.

[jjj]

For your information it was a tactic I heard about when Adobe first introduced activation, long before CC. I thought it was deeply ironic that something designed to reduce piracy, in fact drove some paying companies to use cracked versions in preference.
And exactly what is so unprofessional about the suggestion. You've paid for the product, you are simply ensuring you have a working copy available at all times.

[Glenn NK]

I do.  I built a new machine last summer.  I installed Win 8 from disc, PSCS6 from disc and LR5 from disc.  Yeah, the updates are only available online, but they're usually smaller than downloading the whole program (LR excepted, I think).

True enough, but that's likely one of the few instances where disks are required.

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[chez]

For your information it was a tactic I heard about when Adobe first introduced activation, long before CC. I thought it was deeply ironic that something designed to reduce piracy, in fact drove some paying companies to use cracked versions in preference.
And exactly what is so unprofessional about the suggestion. You've paid for the product, you are simply ensuring you have a working copy available at all times.

Nothing unprofessional about it if you have no ethics and are not worried that you are committing a crime. Other than that...you should be fine.

[Rick Popham]

You should be able to install on a 2nd machine and for grin's, be interesting to see if that works for you. Let's see if Mike can come up with some answers too. The bit about logging in seems odd. Next time this happens, be useful to make a screen capture of exactly what is presented.

I thought of that, but my other machine (this one) is running Vista 64 -- CC not supported.  The plan is to upgrade this machine to Win 7, but it hasn't happened yet...