P65+

[thsinar]

hi TMARK,

I doubt it is up to me to tell who owes Mamiya. I guess the information can be found easily in Tokyo, where anybody can ask detailled information about any company, for a little fee.

Best regards,
Thierry

One question:  who really owns Mamiya?  Is it really Cosmos?  I've heard it was not Cosmos, but rather some other more interesting player.  Anyone?  Thierry?
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[James R Russell]

hi TMARK,

I doubt it is up to me to tell who owes Mamiya. I guess the information can be found easily in Tokyo, where anybody can ask detailled information about any company, for a little fee.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Thierry,

Your right, because the owner of all the world's camera companies is Yair, (yaya to this group).  Yair is actually, Shari Arison the richest person in Israel.  (Yes Yair is a woman).



He/She uses the title of Leaf European Representative just to throw us off.

He/She is actually posting from his/her private ship, (the Carnival Princess) in the Mediterranean and every time He/She posts they have to task a satellite to the ship.

Just thought you guys would like to know.

So Theirry good answer because Yair is your boss.  Actually Yair is the boss of all of us.

So let's watch out dissing Leaf . . . OK?


JR

[rainer_v]

Thierry,

Your right, because the owner of all the world's camera companies is Yair, (yaya to this group).  Yair is actually, Shari Arison the richest person in Israel.  (Yes Yair is a woman).

 
i always felt it somehow.
damn.
 

[michael]

The Dalsa sensors for stills cameras are made in The Netherlands, also known as Holland. Very much Europe.

EPd
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Sorry but your information is about 6 years out of date. Philips used to own this technology but it was acquired by Dalsa, which is located in Kitchener, Ontario. The fabrication plant is in Quebec.

Michael

[michael]

Yes, there's an ongoing relationship, but Dalsa is a Canadian company headquartered in Canada, not that it really matters one way or the other.

Michael

[TMARK]

hi TMARK,

I doubt it is up to me to tell who owes Mamiya. I guess the information can be found easily in Tokyo, where anybody can ask detailled information about any company, for a little fee.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Well, I did a little snooping.  OK, much snooping.  Without paying for reports, from what I can tell, Cosmos is part of Tokyo Cosmos Electric Co.  Cosmos may have an IT arm, but they are mainly a manufacturer of integrated circuits for, among other things, camera systems.  The Kieretsu to which Cosmos belongs is the one with Mitsubishi at its head, which includes, among other companies, Nikon.  Cosmos Scientific, the company that purchased Mamiya, does not appear to be a publicly traded company.  To cut to the chase, I think Nikon is behind Mamiya, but in a very Japanese conglomerate kind of way.

I may be completely wrong.  Can anyone comment?

[Kumar]

Thierry,

Your right, because the owner of all the world's camera companies is Yair, (yaya to this group).  Yair is actually, Shari Arison the richest person in Israel.  (Yes Yair is a woman).



He/She uses the title of Leaf European Representative just to throw us off.

He/She is actually posting from his/her private ship, (the Carnival Princess) in the Mediterranean and every time He/She posts they have to task a satellite to the ship.

Just thought you guys would like to know.

So Theirry good answer because Yair is your boss.  Actually Yair is the boss of all of us.

So let's watch out dissing Leaf . . . OK?
JR
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It's a fig leaf...

Kumar

[thsinar]

Yes, James, that's the reason why I don't dare to tell the truth. With such a boss it can turn out to be dangerous to speak.

 

Thierry

Thierry,

Your right, because the owner of all the world's camera companies is Yair, (yaya to this group).  Yair is actually, Shari Arison the richest person in Israel.  (Yes Yair is a woman).



He/She uses the title of Leaf European Representative just to throw us off.

He/She is actually posting from his/her private ship, (the Carnival Princess) in the Mediterranean and every time He/She posts they have to task a satellite to the ship.

Just thought you guys would like to know.

So Theirry good answer because Yair is your boss.  Actually Yair is the boss of all of us.

So let's watch out dissing Leaf . . . OK?
JR
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[BJNY]

http://www.srphotography.co.uk/srphotograp...hread.php?t=735

Uhmm well, even in Europe Sinar is not known for its bright marketing skills (to put it mildly). Their products are their best promotion (which is in itself a very good thing). Since Jenoptik took over they installed a new general manager that formerly worked at Jenoptik headquarters. Since then I have already seen some movement that was not old-school Sinar. Hopefully that is good too. Still, the Klinko-Indrani contract seems a typical misunderstanding of what the US market place needs, IMHO.

Does everyone realize this press release is one year old,
and the part about use of the Hy6 and Sinarbacks never came to fruition?

[narikin]

any word on those upgrade price yet?

[johnE]

any word on those upgrade price yet?
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I just got upgrade pricing on the p65+ from digital transitions. Excuse the post if this has already been discussed.

Yikes and and I was told the LCD is no better than the p45+ LCD (deal breaker for me)

p45   -> p65+ / 20,990
p45+ -> p65+ / 15,990

[narikin]

I just got upgrade pricing on the p65+ from digital transitions. Excuse the post if this has already been discussed.

Yikes and and I was told the LCD is no better than the p45+ LCD (deal breaker for me)

p45   -> p65+ / 20,990
p45+ -> p65+ / 15,990
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significantly higher than I hoped.

it seems Phase are not rewarding US customers for their loyalty, and have decided to upgrade the P45+'s bought at $ prices to match euro prices today. They should have done an early adopters price of under $10,000 for a couple of months to get it rolling, but I cant see so many people upgrading at this level (or is that what they want?)

be interesting to hear what the prices are to upgrade in Euro-zone or UK - anyone?

[clawery]

I just got upgrade pricing on the p65+ from digital transitions. Excuse the post if this has already been discussed.

Yikes and and I was told the LCD is no better than the p45+ LCD (deal breaker for me)

p45   -> p65+ / 20,990
p45+ -> p65+ / 15,990
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Don't forget that those are both for 1 year warranty upgrades.  Here is a full list of upgrades for the P45 / P45+ to the P65+.  These are Phase One's suggested prices, so I would suggest getting an estimate from the dealer that you work with to see what kind of deal they can make for you.

P45+ 1 Year Classic Warranty Upgrade to P65+         $15,990.00

P45+ 3 Year Value Added Warranty Upgrade to P65+ $17,490.00

P45   1 Year Classic Warranty Upgrade to P65+          $20,990.00

P45   3 Year Value Added Warranty Upgrade to P65+  $22,490.00

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
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[narikin]

even if your dealer gives you, oh 20% off, its still far too high.

Phase have took a real hit in my opinion for playing it this way. They always promoted themselves as giving favorable upgrade terms to look after their loyal customers, but - it seems no more.

agreed that if you already own a P45 or P45+, then the money can be better spent, especially in this climate.

[juicy]

The current situation where us dollar is weak compared to euro punishes both the european companies and US customers. I have no idea what's the price of the new sensor but if it's something like 5000,-euro (8000,-$) then it's no wonder that the new back costs what it costs. P1 needs to adjust their prices to the european level anyway because if the us dollar continues to weaken then european companies start losing money with every product they sell in to US. Seems like a pretty critical situation at the moment.

Cheers,
J

[peegeenyc]

In an upgrade situation they get a P45/P45+ back in exchange, which is worth quite a bit to them, and can be sold for a good sum. in the US P45+'s seem to be holding at ~23k, secondhand. To expect someone to add $17.5k onto that is asking full list price, which is zero discount to loyal customers.

Its pitched far too high - they can't punish old US Phase owners for buying into their company many years ago with astronomical upgrade prices. If European prices are (as a previous poster stated): old P45+ price = new P65+ price, then an upgrade should cost what it did to go from a P25 to P45 (same scenario - new chip, new electronics, but same screen/package) allowing for inflation, maybe this should be $8 or $9k, but $17,500 is off the chart. People who bought a P45/P45+ in the US when the $:Euro was at a better rate did well, but that's their good fortune, not for Phase to claw back now, which quite frankly it seems they are trying to do here.

agree with above - they badly need to do an early adopters program to get it rolling, many people are going to balk in the US at this level. I am fortunate enough to be able to access these funds, but would rather buy an Alpa Max or Cambo and pay $10k off my mortgage than this. which is probably what I will do!

[hubell]

My initial reaction to the Hasselblad price of around $22K to upgrade from an H3D-39 to the H3DII-50 was that it was way over the top and did nothing to reward Hasselblad owners that they could not do for themselves by selling their H3D on e-bay. I still feel that way, but it now appears that Phase is doing just as little for its customers. The upgrade price for the P45 to the P65+ is close to $22K. However, at least Hasselblad is throwing in a brand new H series camera for the $22K. Phase is just upgrading the back.

[Jack Flesher]

I agree that it is a large delta for even a P45+ owner to make the jump.  Too big for me for sure, but clearly there is the wealthier segment of digital imaging pros that will no doubt be early adopters -------- Prolly more than one or two from this very site...

,

[James R Russell]

My initial reaction to the Hasselblad price of around $22K to upgrade from an H3D-39 to the H3DII-50 was that it was way over the top and did nothing to reward Hasselblad owners that they could not do for themselves by selling their H3D on e-bay. I still feel that way, but it now appears that Phase is doing just as little for its customers. The upgrade price for the P45 to the P65+ is close to $22K. However, at least Hasselblad is throwing in a brand new H series camera for the $22K. Phase is just upgrading the back.
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All of this information comes out in little dribbles.  Probably to gauge reaction and then modify the numbers from there.   As my Dad always said, no harm in asking.



JR

[smhoer]

I believe we have become victims of the weak dollar with all the new pricing and upgrade incremental cost.