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[rainer_v]

That is pretty cool the rotating plate in that sliding back! Do I see a dark slide on one of those images? What are you doing with that? (with the MFDB's)
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its a dark slider and i use it. so there is no need for a second metal plate if i move the back in the viewing position, which would increase the weight and the size much. secondly it protects the sensor if i change lenses, which i do a lot. it is a very dust and sensor protective detail, i insisted on that little feature.....

[Danijela D. Karic]

i was asked many times for my gottschalt camera,  so i post now some pics.. esp. cause this fits good in the adapter discussion.
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Ranier,

[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']No disrespect to others, but you are the MAN with all Capitals.[/span]

[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Your help & confidence is very much appreciated![/span]

Regards
Danijela

[Dustbak]

its a dark slider and i use it. so there is no need for a second metal plate if i move the back in the viewing position, which would increase the weight and the size much. secondly it protects the sensor if i change lenses, which i do a lot. it is a very dust and sensor protective detail, i insisted on tha little featuret.....
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Right! That is a detail worth remembering.

[rainer_v]

Ranier,

[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']No disrespect to others, but you are the MAN with all Capitals.[/span]

[span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Your help & confidence is very much appreciated![/span]

Regards
Danijela
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thanks for the flowers.... i become red- will not post pictures of that!

[Danijela D. Karic]

Danijela,

No, Captureshop does NOT and never apply any unsharp masking to the files, unlike others. We do strongly believe that any sharpening should be done ONLY if knowing the final output size (the amount of sharpening strongly depends on the print/output size, among other parameters/factors), and not being applied to the raws as a general/default sharpening to make the files look better: it is a different approach.
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I heard the same thing form Phase with their CaptureOne Software, and yet sharpening was applied not severely but nice. However, I asked if that was what was coming from the Phase Raw file or was it improved a bit and then they suggested as the option to turn it off if not happy.

However, with regards to Capture shop, I received the same response from Rainer, so nothing to worry I guess. I prefer to make my commitment based on what I get from the Back and the lenses. Secondly, we can certainly talk about the best way to improve it using Software afterwards.

However, one has the possibility in Captureshop to check and control sharpening as well, at 100% as it should be (same USM than in Photoshop), but never by default and without being aware of it. Too dangerous, IMO.

Best Regards
Thierry
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I know, that’s OK.

Thank You
Danijela

[Danijela D. Karic]

thanks for the flowers.... i become red- will not post pictures of that!
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I believe in respect, so I speak the truth.

Regards
Danijela

[Danijela D. Karic]

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]

I rarely take two cameras with me, because it becomes heavy after a while. This is precisely the reason why I am interested in ALPA 12SWA. Quality and less Weight in general is my idea of a good system.

However, I would like to have some sort of idea about how long it takes to switch
between adapters approximately?

Regards
Danijela

[rainer_v]

I believe in respect, so I speak the truth.

Regards
Danijela
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i know danijela,
and i like the nearly scientyfic way how you explore the white territory of mf backs.
some colleagues which work with film rtepeat to say that they will change in few years if the things will became more practical, easier and cheaper.
i hardly
doubt that this will be the case, looking in the field of music production, which is around 12 -15 years ahead in the transition process to digital. computers bring us many things, but for sure they dont make the live less complicate. i think the jump to digital allways will be a hard and confusing process, at least if we speak from "hi-end" capturing.
could be that in 10 years this capturing will be in 3d or with 200mp resolution in 6 colors/ 32bit,- but it will be still complicate. better to start now and to grow with it than to wait.... will not be easier.

[thsinar]

hi Danijela,

I have been saying yesterday, when writing about the Sinar adapter system, that it only takes a couple of minutes at the very maximum to change from one adapter to another: It has been put in question and I respected this opinion.
Now, I am not used to speak about sales arguments, but from a practical point of view: if I claim something like that it is because I have experienced it. The same with the adapter plates: I did and still do it often enough, when shooting and demonstrating with customers, on location or in their environment and in working conditions: it only takes 2 minutes to do this operation and I stand behind my claim.

Have a nice evening,
Thierry

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Thierry[/span]

I rarely take two cameras with me, because it becomes heavy after a while. This is precisely the reason why I am interested in ALPA 12SWA. Quality and less Weight in general is my idea of a good system.

However, I would like to have some sort of idea about how long it takes to switch
between adapters approximately?

Regards
Danijela
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[Danijela D. Karic]

hi Danijela,

I have been saying yesterday, when writing about the Sinar adapter system, that it only takes a couple of minutes at the very maximum to change from one adapter to another: It has been put in question and I respected this opinion.
Now, I am not used to speak about sales arguments, but from a practical point of view: if I claim something like that it is because I have experienced it. The same with the adapter plates: I did and still do it often enough, when shooting and demonstrating with customers, on location or in their environment and in working conditions: it only takes 2 minutes to do this operation and I stand behind my claim.

Have a nice evening,
Thierry
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Fair enough, 2 minutes is not bad at all considering the effort to setup the camera. Usually it takes me 15min. tops to get ready and shoot, so two extra minutes won't change things drastically at all, even if I am with two totally different systems.

Regards
Danijela

[Danijela D. Karic]

i know danijela,
and i like the nearly scientyfic way how you explore the white territory of mf backs.
some colleagues which work with film rtepeat to say that they will change in few years if the things will became more practical, easier and cheaper.
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My grandfather told me once that Woman can afford to be unpractical and careless but
Men don’t have that luxury. So, I wouldn’t suggest that my way of doing research before I
decide is scientific not even thorough, I leave that to Manufacturers & Beta Testers but rather practical way
of  closing the deal based on the body of my interests and the fact, but certainly not rumors, that's all.

i hardly
doubt that this will be the case, looking in the field of music production, which is around 12 -15 years ahead in the transition process to digital. computers bring us many things, but for sure they dont make the live less complicate.
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With regards to music, the only thing missing is a huge number of spontaneous moments, but I guess that doesn’t count much when we talk about photography.

i think the jump to digital allways will be a hard and confusing process, at least if we speak from "hi-end" capturing.
could be that in 10 years this capturing will be in 3d or with 200mp resolution in 6 colors/ 32bit,- but it will be still complicate. better to start now and to grow with it than to wait.... will not be easier.
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I am all for it! I’ll skip naming names, but I am not ready to blindlessly hit the wall if I can avoid it, and there is the difference for sure.

Regards
Danijela

[Danijela D. Karic]

It should be understood that having different adapters for a sinar back may not be super handy
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Since it is available, I personally consider it to be a good Idea. What would happen if there was none? Perhaps there are others like Hasselblad, but I don’t have any experience/info on them, so I can’t speak. Maybe Steve Hendrix from PPR DIGITAL would like to comment on it.

The adapters are not easy to change and it is not practical to do it in the field
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I consider 2min. fair, especially if you have assistant/assistants, even by yourself you could spare 2min. and change it during the break. I am sure even you take a break at some point.

Say you had an HY6 with lenses down to 50mm and a hassy V mount alpa with super wides you coudnt not swap from one to the other in the middle of a shoot
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This is where I would be a bit concerned, not about initial attempt to change the adapter, but more about planning my day so that I don’t have to go and change the adapter back to configuration I had 15min. ago.

I dont think any wide cameras (alpa, horseman cambo) are yet available in a rolei hy6 mount whereas they are available in a H mount
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Yes, but I’m sure that will change. I don’t even want to think about Hy6 until it reaches the surf.

In my own case I can move from my H1 mount to an Hy6 mount should I find this system more appropriate to my needs

(which I wont until they offer at least a 35mm lens)

SMM
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Slowly but surely, I agree.

Regards
Danijela

[Morgan_Moore]

(changable plates)

Since it is available, I personally consider it to be a good Idea.

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I agree it is a good idea - more than that - it put me firmly in the sinar camp

Having been locked into mamiya on my pro back and personlly not getting on with mamiya

I felt robbed that my back was stuck on that system and sold it all at a big loss

I persnally wouldnt buy a back that didnt have the plate system

BUT

I dont think changing plates on set is part of anything but the most controlled and considered workflow

I would therefore not go HY6 until there is a seamless integration with a wide system

I would get a sinar back on a H1 or Vmount and think about moving Hy6 in a couple of years when the system is smooth

I love Rheiners contraption - but counldt use (or afford) something like that to provide me with wider than 40 mm

For me view camera have thier place but that is pretty strictly for static objects - 50% of my work is street and even at 35 hass give a pretty good wide lense (the idiots locked me out of thier 28

I wont be buying a new back for years even though my is only a rubbishy antiquated 22mp - still better than 99.99% of digital cameras on the planet and plenty good for most reproduction purposes

I think sinar need to get thier act together fast in offering integration to a wide system

THey shoot themselves in the foot in not listing the Xact on thier site as is is thier in house wide platform that will work with a rollei adapter I would imagine

SMM

[thsinar]

hi Sam,

for your information: all the Rollei MF cameras 6008 AF and 6008 integral2 and their accessories are sold worlwide through Sinar and their distributor(s) in each country, INCLUDED also the Rollei X-Act2 view camera and its accessories.

Its clearly mentioned on our Homepage:

http://www.sinarcameras.com

and, the X-Act2 Brochure with all accessories can be downloaded under:

http://www.sinar.ch/site/index__gast-e-107...s-rand-208.html

Best regards,
Thierry

I agree it is a good idea - more than that - it put me firmly in the sinar camp

Having been locked into mamiya on my pro back and personlly not getting on with mamiya

I felt robbed that my back was stuck on that system and sold it all at a big loss

I persnally wouldnt buy a back that didnt have the plate system

BUT

THey shoot themselves in the foot in not listing the Xact on thier site as is is thier in house wide platform that will work with a rollei adapter I would imagine

SMM
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[Morgan_Moore]

Its clearly mentioned on our Homepage:

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Ive built a couple of websites in my time and would recomend you list this product on your product page - I cant see it

[a href=\"http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__gast-e-1321-23-1408-urlvars-rand-986.html]http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__ga...s-rand-986.html[/url]

But you need to take it beyond that and convince the world  HY6 can beat the H series

The key to that is seamless intergration of the your 'digital film' with a both a walk around solution (HY6) a movement based solution AND (still missing) a walkaround ultra wide system

And seamless doesnt include an alleged two minutes to change platform while exposing a $30k bit of wafer to the elements

I know it is a cultural change for sinar who have a background  as kings of the studio

Once upon a time people had a sinar in thier studio and a blad on location - no longer an option for owners of sinar 'film' and stocking two 'film' stock is not an option either

SMM

[thsinar]

Sam,

you are right: we shall integrate the X-Act2 in our products listing. Thanks for this.

Seamless integration: yes, sure and you are right too. But as I have already mentioned it in some other posts, we cannot run on too many horses at the same time, and like any company, we have a limited manpower. We take things one after the other and prefer not to rush in too many projects at the same time.

About adapter plates: the sensor is not directly exposed, since covered/protected by an infrared filter on it. Now we can of course put in question the way those adapters are mounted (screws), but so far we have not had any dramatic accident (or none that I am aware of). But be also aware that offering a different fix of the adapters (locks with springs or others) would certainly add to the costs of these. Which obviously nobody wants, I guess. But your suggestion is much welcome and I shall forward it to the right place.

Right, what a cultural change during the last 15 years! But not only for Sinar, I guess: the digital age has been demanding for all of us, photographers included.

Thanks Sam!

Thierry

Ive built a couple of websites in my time and would recomend you list this product on your product page - I cant see it

http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/index__ga...s-rand-986.html

But you need to take it beyond that and convince the world  HY6 can beat the H series

The key to that is seamless intergration of the your 'digital film' with a both a walk around solution (HY6) a movement based solution AND (still missing) a walkaround ultra wide system

And seamless doesnt include an alleged two minutes to change platform while exposing a $30k bit of wafer to the elements

I know it is a cultural change for sinar who have a background  as kings of the studio

Once upon a time people had a sinar in thier studio and a blad on location - no longer an option for owners of sinar 'film' and stocking two 'film' stock is not an option either

SMM
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[Harris Edelman]

But be also aware that offering a different fix of the adapters (locks with springs or others) would certainly add to the costs of these. Which obviously nobody wants, I guess. But your suggestion is much welcome and I shall forward it to the right place.

Thierry,

While a quick-release mechanism would add cost, it would also add real value.

Sinar's adaptors are an interesting feature now. Taking them to the next level, where changing an adaptor becomes as smooth and (generally) worry-free a routine as changing a back itself, would be revolutionary.

A quick-release adaptor would surely cost a good bit less than the wage premium of that special kind of assistant whom you could trust to put a screwdriver to an e75.


-H.

[rethmeier]

Harris,
well said!
Those adapters at $2000 AUD are already pricey.
A few hundred dollars isn't going to break the bank!
Cheers,
Willem.

[thsinar]

hi Harris,

I understand your point and it is certainly a great idea. On the other side you should hear the comments and remarks of some, as soon as something is costing a bit more. It is sometimes difficult to compromise and make everybody happy.

I wish everybody could speak like you, that an assistant is by far more expensive!  

Thanks and I shall forward, as usually,
Thierry

Thierry,

While a quick-release mechanism would add cost, it would also add real value.

Sinar's adaptors are an interesting feature now. Taking them to the next level, where changing an adaptor becomes as smooth and (generally) worry-free a routine as changing a back itself, would be revolutionary.

A quick-release adaptor would surely cost a good bit less than the wage premium of that special kind of assistant whom you could trust to put a screwdriver to an e75.
-H.
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[pprdigital]

Att: [span style=\'font-size:11pt;line-height:100%\']Steve Hendrix - PPR DIGITAL [/span]
I would appreciate if you could post a few images with the new HC 28mm with and without correction applied. Don’t forget to forward your contact number because I tried a google search PPR DIGITAL and it shows only a renting department. So I am not sure if that is your company, anyhow it would be practical to have your contact on the LL Signature, underlined.

Regards
Danijela
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Danijela:

I will soon post some before and after HC28mm images for you. I will also post our website under my name, although our website is currently a wreck, in my opinion. It is being completely re-done, and that process will likely take about a month or two. In the meantime, bear with us.

Thanks,
Steve Hendrix
www.ppratlanta.com