Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[faberryman]

Meanwhile, the Trump crazy are saying:Release the kraken. 

Gosh, I may even start pulling for the guy. Republicans not voting for Perdue the day trader and Loeffler the not even a billionaire's wife seems like a good idea to me.

[faberryman]

In total amazement I realized this morning that Trump refused to sign the relief bill because it didn't contain the proposal made by Democrats to allocate a higher % of the amount to low income families?

Where'd you hear that? He didn't sign the bill because he wanted to dick everyone around during the holidays. You seem to have a blind spot for the obvious explanation.

[LesPalenik]

Well, from outside it seems beyond belief that 330 million people let one spoiled brat jerk the whole nation. And he gets paid for doing all the antics.

[Robert Roaldi]

Well, from outside it seems beyond belief that 330 million people let one spoiled brat jerk the whole nation. And he gets paid for doing all the antics.

Well, they wanted a disruptor.

Did he drain the swamp, btw, I've lost track.

[chez]

Well, they wanted a disruptor.

Did he drain the swamp, btw, I've lost track.

Yep, and they found the kraken in the bottom of it.

[BernardLanguillier]

Where'd you hear that? He didn't sign the bill because he wanted to dick everyone around during the holidays. You seem to have a blind spot for the obvious explanation.

You’re right, I mixed up the reason and the excuse.

Cheers,
Bernard

[LesPalenik]

Where'd you hear that? He didn't sign the bill because he wanted to dick everyone around during the holidays. You seem to have a blind spot for the obvious explanation.

Signed, sealed and delivered. Now he'll be a hero.

[faberryman]

Signed, sealed and delivered. Now he'll be a hero.

“The President’s pointless delay in approving the relief legislation cost millions of Americans a week’s worth of pandemic-related unemployment assistance that they desperately need,” House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal (D-Mass.) said. “His stalling only intensified anxiety and hardship for workers and families who are collateral damage in his political games. Now, people will need to wait even longer for direct payments and other vital assistance to arrive.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/12/27/trump-stimulus-shutdown-congress/

The one day delay in signing the bill cost the 12 million entitled to unemployment benefits $300.

[Robert Roaldi]

“The President’s pointless delay in approving the relief legislation cost millions of Americans a week’s worth of pandemic-related unemployment assistance that they desperately need,” House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal (D-Mass.) said. “His stalling only intensified anxiety and hardship for workers and families who are collateral damage in his political games. Now, people will need to wait even longer for direct payments and other vital assistance to arrive.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/12/27/trump-stimulus-shutdown-congress/

The one day delay in signing the bill cost the 12 million entitled to unemployment benefits $300.

No one should be surprised. Trump has never seen himself as a servant of the people. He does not believe that his job is to make life better for citizens. Authoritarians do not believe in democracy in any real sense.

The thing that you (we) find repulsive about this behaviour, making people wait, costing them money, is precisely the thing that he enjoys doing. In his mind, he was probably punishing them for not electing him. Knowing that he could make people suffer, merely by delaying, gives him an endorphin high. I know people like this in my personal life. They deliberately show up to events late so that everyone has to wait for them. People with room temperature IQ mistake this for power. There is no cure, the only thing you can do is avoid people like that.

[Alan Klein]

Well, from outside it seems beyond belief that 330 million people let one spoiled brat jerk the whole nation. And he gets paid for doing all the antics.

Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, and the others, set it up Constitutionally so a president can check the power of Congress, and modify their legislation to get his approval and not a veto.  I'm sure you didn't mean to say that our founders were stupid. 

There are many people who think $600 is chicken feed.  Even the Democrats who voted for the $600 supported Trump in wanting to increase the amount to $2000.  If Trump could get Republicans to go along, it would have happened.  Calling our president names for doing his job as a politician is really demeaning. 

[LesPalenik]

Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, and the others, set it up Constitutionally so a president can check the power of Congress, and modify their legislation to get his approval and not a veto.  I'm sure you didn't mean to say that our founders were stupid. 

There are many people who think $600 is chicken feed.  Even the Democrats who voted for the $600 supported Trump in wanting to increase the amount to $2000.  If Trump could get Republicans to go along, it would have happened.  Calling our president names for doing his job as a politician is really demeaning.

No, I didn't say anything about your founders. I meant the circus acts by Trump. First delaying the stimulus deal, then agreeing to it, then blocking the bill and finally signing it. That's what I call throwing tantrums by a spoiled brat (or incompetent leader).
Personally, I think it was a stupid decision in the first place to include the pandemic stimulus with all the other items. That should have been a separate pandemic relief payment bill, approved quickly and money could have been distributed quickly. Because of all the delays, many people are suffering needlessly. And now the democrats are pushing for another $2,000 pandemic aid. I wonder what will be Trump's reaction to that.

Only 23 more days to call him a president.

[faberryman]

I'm sure you didn't mean to say that our founders were stupid.

Strawman.

Calling our president names for doing his job as a politician is really demeaning.

Nonsense. Trump demeans himself, the presidency, the country, and all Americans by his rhetoric and behavior.

[Chris Kern]

Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, and the others, set it up Constitutionally so a president can check the power of Congress, and modify their legislation to get his approval and not a veto.  I'm sure you didn't mean to say that our founders were stupid.

In addition to concocting dubious theories about what "our founders" intended, now you're even making up founders.  Neither James Monroe* nor Thomas Jefferson participated in the 1787 Philadelphia convention that drafted the U.S. Constitution.  When subsequently informed of the document's provisions, both expressed reservations about the extent to which it concentrated political power in the central government.

———
*Correcting earlier typo.  Thanks to pseudonymous poster for pointing this out.

[Robert Roaldi]

Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, and the others, set it up Constitutionally so a president can check the power of Congress, and modify their legislation to get his approval and not a veto.  I'm sure you didn't mean to say that our founders were stupid.

And so what if he did. What makes them sacred? I thought you didn't like politicians.

[Alan Klein]

No, I didn't say anything about your founders. I meant the circus acts by Trump. First delaying the stimulus deal, then agreeing to it, then blocking the bill and finally signing it. That's what I call throwing tantrums by a spoiled brat (or incompetent leader).
Personally, I think it was a stupid decision in the first place to include the pandemic stimulus with all the other items. That should have been a separate pandemic relief payment bill, approved quickly and money could have been distributed quickly. Because of all the delays, many people are suffering needlessly. And now the democrats are pushing for another $2,000 pandemic aid. I wonder what will be Trump's reaction to that.

Only 23 more days to call him a president.

Trump had nothing to do with all the other pork add-ons like $40 million for the Kenndey Center in Washington or billions in aid for other countries.  Did we give any to Canada?  It seems everyone has their hands out. 

Meanwhile, they gave only $600 to starving people, well, all people, many who don't need it.  Other presidents have done this all the time and no one insulted them with name-calling.  It's all politics. Why are they giving money to everyone?  People working shouldn't get it.  They'd have more money to give to people who really need it, assuming it's even a good idea to begin with.  Just more debt we'll have to pay back next year.

[Alan Klein]

In addition to concocting dubious theories about what "our founders" intended, now you're even making up founders.  Neither James Madison nor Thomas Jefferson participated in the 1787 Philadelphia convention that drafted the U.S. Constitution.  When subsequently informed of the document's provisions, both expressed reservations about the extent to which it concentrated political power in the central government.

There's nothing dubious about the constitution balancing the power of Congress.  Legislation requires the approval of the president.  Without it, the legislation fails.

It doesn't matter if Madison and Jefferson didn't sign the constitution.  They, two of the main influencers of the design of our government,  agreed that we needed to limit power which the constitution does by requiring the president's approval for all legislation.  Your point is a distinction without a difference.

[faberryman]

Trump had nothing to do with all the other pork add-ons like $40 million for the Kenndey Center in Washington or billions in aid for other countries.

More false "facts" from Alan. Always false "facts" and specious reasoning.

"President Donald Trump complained about a litany of federal spending in a video released Tuesday objecting to the new stimulus deal, claiming the line items had nothing to do with Covid relief."

"The expenditures were actually included in an omnibus spending bill that became a legislative vehicle for Covid relief and aren't a part of the stimulus bill itself."

"And a closer inspection of them reveals the things Trump complained about track almost exactly with what the White House had requested in its annual FY 2021 budget, which was released earlier this year."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chart-trumps-complaints-vs-his-own-budget-proposal/ar-BB1cbBkJ?ocid=uxbndlbing

"The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts funding in the recent bill passed by Congress is an annual federal appropriation for the Center to support capital repairs and operations and maintenance in its congressionally mandated role as the living memorial to President John F. Kennedy and federal building. It was not a part of the Covid relief package. These funds are exactly what the President requested for the Center in his fiscal year 2021 budget submission provided to Congress this past February. The Kennedy Center is grateful to Congress for its continued support of the memorial and national cultural center."

https://slippedisc.com/2020/12/kennedy-center-to-trump-but-we-did-just-what-you-asked/

Meanwhile, they gave only $600 to starving people, well, all people, many who don't need it.  Other presidents have done this all the time and no one insulted them with name-calling.

This one's got to be a personal opinion because there is not one chance in a million of it being true. Calling presidents names is a national pastime. I have personally engaged in the activity for at least a half a century.

Here is a true fact: Trump is back out on the golf course today. But he has his phone with him. Thank God he has his phone with him.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Meanwhile, they gave only $600 to starving people, well, all people, many who don't need it.

What I heard is that the Democrats have tried to raise the amount to $2,000, but the House Republicans have blocked it. But hey, what do I know as a foreigner who (with amazement) looks inside from the outside.

[Alan Klein]

What I heard is that the Democrats have tried to raise the amount to $2,000, but the House Republicans have blocked it. But hey, what do I know as a foreigner who (with amazement) looks inside from the outside.

If Americans who are working don't need the $600 or at least shouldn't get it, why would the government give them $2000? Wouldn't it have been a better bill if they only gave the money to out-of-work people?  Then they could have given more to them with the money not given to working stiffs.  I mean it's nice to get extra money.  But it means we the taxpayers are just going into more debt.  If I need the money, I'll charge my credit card. 

Of course, the Democrats are in favor of the $2000.  They've never seen a spending bill they couldn't support.

[faberryman]

If Americans who are working don't need the $600 or at least shouldn't get it, why would the government give them $2000? Wouldn't it have been a better bill if they only gave the money to out-of-work people?  Then they could have given more to them with the money not given to working stiffs.  I mean it's nice to get extra money.  But it means we the taxpayers are just going into more debt.  If I need the money, I'll charge my credit card.  Of course, the Democrats are in favor of the $2000.  They've never seen a spending bill they couldn't support.

The $600/$2000 is not a feed the hungry check, it is a stimulus check. You know, go out and spend it on whatever you want to keep the economy afloat. Rich or poor, go out and spend it. The $300/week federal unemployment benefit is the feed the hungry check. It was supposed to be for 11 weeks but Trump dicked around so now it is only for 10 weeks.

I don't know why Alan objects to the government giving people money. It is the same thing as giving them an equivalent tax break. He didn't shed any tears over that in 2017. Maybe because most of the benefit went to rich people. No reason not to give money to rich people. It's like Trump's idiotic supporters who give him money. I mean he's a billionaire so maybe he needs it worse than I do. Golf balls are expensive.