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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3240 on: December 02, 2020, 12:15:18 pm »

Somebody, anybody please lock this garbage up for good!

Wouldn't it be easier for your to stop reading it?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3241 on: December 02, 2020, 12:15:49 pm »

Meanwhile, Michael Flynn has called for Trump to declare martial law, temporarily suspend the Constitution and civilian control of federal elections, and overturn the election and promoted a full-page ad in the Washington times with a petition...

This is getting crazier and crazier by the day.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3242 on: December 02, 2020, 12:16:11 pm »

Can we please stop all the personal attacks and concentrate on the content. This is getting tiring.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3243 on: December 02, 2020, 12:17:56 pm »

Somebody, anybody please lock this garbage up for good!
I agree, all this QAnon garbage needs to be locked up foregood  ;)
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3246 on: December 02, 2020, 12:27:54 pm »

This is the Michael Flynn that:

- 1. Was paid by Putin to promote Russian propaganda

- 2. After being paid over $500,000, acted as a secret foreign agent on behalf of Turkey...

1. Proof?

2. "Secret" agent sounds so James Bond-esque. Real spy stuff.  ;D

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« Reply #3247 on: December 02, 2020, 12:32:05 pm »

I have been through my newsfeed a couple of times this morning and this is the best I could come up with. At least it is photography related.

Photographer arrested after pyramid shoot with model in Egypt

https://nypost.com/2020/12/02/model-photographer-arrested-after-pyramid-shoot-in-egypt/

I had no idea you couldn't take photographs at archeological sites in Egypt. They must have a thriving postcard business or something.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3248 on: December 02, 2020, 12:49:42 pm »


I had no idea you couldn't take photographs at archeological sites in Egypt. They must have a thriving postcard business or something.

You can't take photos of people posing at the Acropolis, though photos of the structure itself are allowed.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3249 on: December 02, 2020, 12:52:22 pm »

You can't take photos of people posing at the Acropolis, though photos of the structure itself are allowed.

As in a professional photoshoot, with a model? Or regular tourists? I can't imaging enforcement in the era of smart phones.

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« Reply #3250 on: December 02, 2020, 12:54:44 pm »

As in a professional photoshoot, with a model? Or regular tourists? I can't imaging enforcement in the era of smart phones.

Regular tourists also. As you say it's not possible to police 100% but they do make a big fuss about it.  Too bad - it'd be a brilliant place to do a ballet shoot.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3251 on: December 02, 2020, 12:58:40 pm »

Sorry Alan, but your frequent and repeated misstatements and exaggerations have brought this on. You talk like someone who belongs to a cult.

As for my falling for phoney attacks on Trump, I am sure there have been many. But his real deficiencies dwarf everything else.


I'm tired of the insults.  You're on my ignore list too.

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« Reply #3252 on: December 02, 2020, 12:58:53 pm »

Somebody, anybody please lock this garbage up for good!
There's one person who can do this, in the past he's thoughtfully ignored your request and yet you're back again, begging for censorship for a thread you've not provided anything on topic about.
NO one asked you to come here, read anything or post.
Your time would be far better spent attempting to make a photograph and sharing the results for the very first time.
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« Reply #3253 on: December 02, 2020, 12:59:31 pm »

1. Proof?

2. "Secret" agent sounds so James Bond-esque. Real spy stuff.  ;D

1. "On December 10, 2015, Flynn attended a gala dinner in Moscow in honor of RT (formerly "Russia Today"), a Russian government-owned English-language media outlet, on which he made semi-regular appearances as an analyst after he retired from U.S. government service."

"Flynn sat next to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the dinner, leading journalist Michael Crowley of Politico to report that "at a moment of semi-hostility between the U.S. and Russia, the presence of such an important figure at Putin's table startled" U.S. officials. As part of the festivities, Flynn gave a talk on world affairs for which he was paid at least $45,000. Flynn defended the RT payment in an interview with Michael Isikoff."

"On February 1, 2017, the ranking Democratic members on six House committees sent a letter to Secretary of Defense James Mattis, requesting a Department of Defense investigation into Flynn's connection to RT. The legislators expressed concern that Flynn had violated the Foreign Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution by accepting money from RT."

Links to a few of the many news stories regarding Flynn, RT, and Putin are contained in the wikipedia RT section on Flynn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn#Attendance_at_RT_gala_dinner

2. If you would prefer "undisclosed" foreign agent to the word "secret", I'll happily modify my post to that word. Not all foreign agents are James Bond types. Some are simply propagandists, although you may prefer the word lobbyist instead. The $530,000 was funneled thru a third party which is not unusual when you're trying to conceal connections between two parties.

"By the end of September 2016, Flynn's consulting company was hired by Inovo BV, a company owned by Kamil Ekim Alptekin, the Chair of the Turkish-American Business Council, which is an arm of the Foreign Economic Relations Board of Turkey (DEIK). The company has links to President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Flynn was paid $530,000 by Alptekin for Flynn's lobbying work. Flynn only registered as a foreign agent with the Justice Department later on March 8, 2017, for the work completed by November 2016. Flynn acknowledged his work may have benefited Turkey's government."

"On November 8 (election day in the United States), an op-ed written by Flynn was published by The Hill, now calling for U.S. backing for Erdoğan's government and criticizing the regime's opponent, Fethullah Gülen, alleging that Gülen headed a "vast global network" that fit the description of "a dangerous sleeper terror network". At the time, Flynn did not disclose that his consulting firm had received funds from a company with ties to the Turkish government. After Flynn's ties had been disclosed by The Daily Caller, Politico, and others, the editor of The Hill added a note to Flynn's op-ed, stating that Flynn had failed to disclose that he had been engaged at the time in "consulting work that might have aided the government of Turkey", that his firm had received payments from a company with close ties to the Turkish government, or that the company had reviewed the draft of the op-ed before it was submitted to The Hill."

"On March 24, 2017, former Director of the CIA James Woolsey said that in September 2016 Flynn, while working for the Trump presidential campaign, had attended a meeting in a New York hotel with Turkish officials including foreign minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu and energy minister Berat Albayrak, son-in-law of Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and had discussed abducting Fethullah Gülen and sending him to Turkey, bypassing the U.S. extradition legal process."

Again, you'll find links to multiple reports in the wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn#Foreign_agent
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3254 on: December 02, 2020, 01:00:10 pm »

I'm tired of the insults.  You're on my ignore list too.
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« Reply #3255 on: December 02, 2020, 01:02:17 pm »

In a flurry of posts this morning, Alan has given away his game plan for the next four years: give Trump credit for everything Biden does that turns out well. And I guess we all know where the blame is going to lie for things that don't turn out well. He is so predictable, and nauseating.

As for fact checking him, I'll do that when I feel like it. Otherwise, given his track record, I'll just assume everything he says is false.
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« Reply #3256 on: December 02, 2020, 01:03:07 pm »

This is getting crazier and crazier by the day.

That bridge was crossed a while ago, I'd say. But yeah, Flynn sets a new standard.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3257 on: December 02, 2020, 01:09:56 pm »

You're on my ignore list too.

That's what you said before, and then you didn't ignore me. It was devastating.
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« Reply #3258 on: December 02, 2020, 01:10:37 pm »

You can't take photos of people posing at the Acropolis, though photos of the structure itself are allowed.
My wife would like that.  She hates it when I ask her to pose for a shot. 

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« Reply #3259 on: December 02, 2020, 01:17:32 pm »

We have to remember that there are 330 million people, more or less, in the U.S., and so one crazy pastor calling for killing people, and one crazy Flynn calling for martial law, really doesn't amount to anything. Something we've never discussed much in this forum is the irresponsibility of the American media, even at the higher levels of it (WSJ, Wapo, NYT, Fox, CNN, MSNBC) in promoting this kind of stuff. Some goofy pastor wants to kill people? Ignore him. If he goes to get a gun, that's an imminent threat, put him in jail. Problem solved. No need to have Wolf Blitzer screaming "Breaking News." The New York Times has more or less become a mouthpiece of the leftwing of the Democratic Party, just at the WSJ has become a mouthpiece of the rightwing Republicans. If you read about "capitalism" in the NYT, you realize that most of their opinion columnists have no idea of what it is; if you read about global warming in the WSJ opinion columns, you have to conclude that the writer is either stupid, or is deliberately ignoring the facts of the matter because he/she attaches to a particular political point of view. Wapo is a bit different because it's a paper that traditionally focused on politics (rather than "culture" or "business") and so takes somewhat of a technical attitude toward politics, and gives you fairly decent coverage of what's actually going on in American politics. (I also tend to trust the WSJ news columns on business news; and I mostly trust the hard news reporters for both the NYT and Wapo -- it's the columnists and editorialists, who have been promoted far above their natural importance, IMHO, that constitute the real problem. That also goes for the lead talking heads on Fox, CNN and MSNBC.)
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