Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

I thought New Jersey only sent out ballots to registered voters who had completed and mailed in a ballot request form. Did this change in 2020?

Yes.  My wife and originally registered to vote by mail last year and found it convenient.  I can see where people get confused with the double mailing envelopes and where to sign etc.  But then because of Covid, NJ Gov. Murphy changed the rule and had them mailed out to everyone whether you requested them or not.  States have different procedures.  Here's an interesting article describing history, methods, and problems.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/voting-by-mail-9-states-send-ballots-automatically-35-allow-covid-19-as-an-excuse-6-require-other-reason

[digitaldog]

You couldn't post without calling someone an idiot.  Well, you're consistent. 

I didn't.
If the shoe and post fit however...

[Alan Klein]

He's not listening cause he doesn't want the facts and he's partially wrong again.
District boundaries can and were affected by those hoping to DROP OFF mail in ballots. Because some republicans in power want to make the act of voting as difficult as possible for some, depending again, where they actually live!
Case in point, a state like Texas tried:

Texas counties will be allowed only one drop-off location for mail-in ballots, state Supreme Court rules
The court upheld Gov. Greg Abbott's authority under state law to limit ballot drop-off locations, issuing what is expected to be the final ruling in numerous lawsuits that challenged his order.  As the coronavirus continued to endanger Texans, counties — often more populous, largely Democratic ones — began to look for ways to expand voting access in the fall election. Republicans have repeatedly challenged such expansions, like loosening Texas’ strict restrictions on who can vote by mail or allowing for drive-thru voting, in court. The Texas Supreme Court has kept Texas’ limitations on mail-in voting but allowed drive-thru voting in Harris County to continue.

Now maybe someone who Slobodan will listen to, will correct his misunderstanding about mail in ballots and the location voters live; it can indeed matter. If you happen to be a Democrat.

Slobodan was right.  He was talking about mail-in, not dropoff.  Regarding drop-off, you bolded " only one drop off" then went on to confuse the readers with more than one,  but it's really one for each county of which there are a couple of hundred or so in Texas.  So your statement was incorrect or confusing at a minimum.  Each county has a county seat building where the dropoff can be manned at no additional cost.  To set up manned voting locations elsewhere would be very expensive.  I would think that many large election districts are republican since they are rural.  So republicans would have to drive long distances to drop off their votes too at the one drop off point in their county.  So it kind of evens out. 

[Alan Klein]

It's difficult to trust your hero. Among his other lies, initially he denied also his relationship with Stormy Daniels and when caught he denied knowing about the payment to silence her.

I never defended him for being a slimeball with women.  But he was a civilian then and we all knew it when we voted for him.  At least he didn't go around sniffing women's hair like Biden or who got BJ in the Oval OIFfice like Bill Clinton.    Now that's slimy!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... I can see where people get confused with the double mailing envelopes...

I had the option to send it by mail or to vote by fax. I initially thought of using mail (actually, delivering it to the embassy here), but indeed got terribly confused by those double mailing envelopes. I didn't understand the purpose (now I know, to ensure secrecy of the vote). There were also instructions on the dimensions and type of envelopes, which is relatively ok if you are in the States, but it gets a bit more complicated if you are in Europe. The thought of going around town shopping for envelopes of specific sizes  made me go for a fax transmission. I did lose the confidentiality of the vote that way. However, the feedback was almost instantaneous: the same day I got a confirmation they received the fax, and next day that they entered the vote. 

[pegelli]

Yes.  My wife and originally registered to vote by mail last year and found it convenient.  I can see where people get confused with the double mailing envelopes and where to sign etc.  But then because of Covid, NJ Gov. Murphy changed the rule and had them mailed out to everyone whether you requested them or not.  States have different procedures.  Here's an interesting article describing history, methods, and problems.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/voting-by-mail-9-states-send-ballots-automatically-35-allow-covid-19-as-an-excuse-6-require-other-reason

Thanks for the link Alan, while the theory you mention could indeed lead to fraud I was surprized to see this statement in the article:

Trump has repeated the unfounded claim that “universal mail voting” could corrupt the election. But top election officials and research on the subject have found that incidents of voter fraud are “very, very low.”

So if "avoiding fraud" is not the real reason to oppose mail-in voting what's the real reason Trump and his allies are making over this method, both Biden and Trump repeatedly yelled "Vote-Vote-Vote" because they wanted a large turnout, which they got.

[digitaldog]

This is why the Democrats were so much in favor of sending out ballots automatically to so many voters.  Even if fraud wasn't being done, their main hope was to capture the young voters who tend to vote democratic but who usually don't vote.  I believe what happened is that many who would not have stood in line to vote in person, found it easy to check the votes and mail it in.  So Democrats captured a lot of votes they would not have gotten otherwise.  This is going to happen in Georgia as well for the senate vote.

Never heard of ”the young Republicans”?
One side does want to make voting easier for everyone (remember everyone? You speak for them often). In this case it is everyone eligible to vote.
The other side has tried to make it harder. Their fear is exactly as you wrote above; fear of some voters who have the right to vote. How Un-American. Want to ask them how many marbles in the jar first?
Those are indisputable facts. Which means you probably will disagree with them.

[Alan Klein]

That's correct. Even in the case (as in Texas) where you might have to drive some distance to physically vote, the vote nevertheless is registered and applied to your home voting district. For example, in the Texas case, Greg Abbott, the governor, attempted to suppress voting by people less able to move about by ordering that there be only one drop off box in each **county.** But counties may have several municipalities and state representative districts, which are based on population, rather than the county area. If your vote didn't return to your home district, that would mean that you'd be essentially disenfranchised for elections in your home area. That is not the way it works.

Usually there are government administration buildings set up for each county, not each voting district.  Taxes, rules, codes, etc are set up by county not election district.  Counties can have more than one election district.  But an election district can also tend into more than one county.  I would think that the ballot provides the address of where to drop it off.    If you're sick, you can mail it in or request an absentee ballot.  Each state does these things differently.  There are no federal rules regarding a lot of this stuff.  We are a federal system.  The United States of America.

[digitaldog]

Slobodan was right.  He was talking about mail-in, not dropoff. 

As I said, untill he was incorrect. Mail in ballots can be dropped off. Long after they can be mailed (on election day sir). And some, again, have gone out of their way to make it harder because they want less people to vote. Ask yourself why that is.

Regarding drop-off, you bolded " only one drop off" then went on to confuse the readers with more than one,  but it's really one for each county of which there are a couple of hundred or so in Texas.  So your statement was incorrect or confusing at a minimum.

 
You were confused, I get that.

Each county has a county seat building where the dropoff can be manned at no additional cost.

Got nothing to do with cost. It has to do with access. Some people believe it or not, can't drive or have cars or can't get a bus to some obscure by design location.

To set up manned voting locations elsewhere would be very expensive.

 
They don't have to be manned. They have to be secure boxes that are easy to get to. That wasn't the case. By design!

I would think that many large election districts are republican since they are rural.  So republicans would have to drive long distances to drop off their votes too at the one drop off point in their county.  So it kind of evens out.

Another assumption of course and it's moot. Either party should have easy access to vote and get their votes counted. ONE party believes in that approach. One doesn't much by results of their actions.

[TechTalk]

Photographer for Harris's presidential run, also is Dominion representative in Fulton County Georgia.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/11/30/dominion-representative-for-fulton-county-was-kamala-harris-presidential-campaign-photographer/

A man has two jobs, one is as the owner of a photo/video business which was hired to photograph a local campaign event. Wow. Reported with a misleading headline and empty innuendo by a right-wing website run by a Breitbart contributor and a Tea Party activist. What a shock.

Even better:

One would hope so.

Dominion server in Fulton County recount crashes...

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/dominion-server-crash-delays-recount-in-fulton-county

A server crashed. Wow. There goes that hope for something better.

No, what I posted were two facts.  What you choose to make of them is not my concern.

The rest:

More empty words from the empty mind of the digital dog.

Speaking of empty words...

I simply posted two facts about the election in GA.  As I said it's not my concern how YOU deal with those facts.

Vacuous verbalism that hints at a trail leading nowhere, followed by a lack of concern over any meaning or value. In short—pointless.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... So if "avoiding fraud" is not the real reason to oppose mail-in voting...

Saying that the "incidents of voter fraud are 'very, very low'" means very little. First, it is a backward-looking statement, because mail voting was not that wide-spread in the past as is in this election. Second, judging the amount of fraud by the caught cases is like saying the amount of illegal drugs crossing the border equals the amount seized by authorities.

In other words, the potential for fraud is higher with mail-in voting. Such a conclusion is not new, it was repeatedly made by both parties and the media in the past, unrelated to this election.

Having said that, it is not enough to just suspect fraud, even if theoretically it seems possible, but you have to prove it.

[Craig Lamson]

As I said, untill he was incorrect. Mail in ballots can be dropped off. Long after they can be mailed (on election day sir). And some, again, have gone out of their way to make it harder because they want less people to vote. Ask yourself why that is. 
You were confused, I get that. 
Got nothing to do with cost. It has to do with access. Some people believe it or not, can't drive or have cars or can't get a bus to some obscure by design location.   
They don't have to be manned. They have to be secure boxes that are easy to get to. That wasn't the case. By design! Another assumption of course and it's moot. Either party should have easy access to vote and get their votes counted. ONE party believes in that approach. One doesn't much by results of their actions.

Watch that spelling dog, you added another...

BTW, one party appears to want to let anyone vote, and one party wants to let anyone vote that can prove who they are...

[Craig Lamson]

A man has two jobs, one is as the owner of a photo/video business which was hired to photograph a local campaign event. Wow. Reported with a misleading headline and empty innuendo by a right-wing website run by a Breitbart contributor and a Tea Party activist. What a shock.

One would hope so.

A server crashed. Wow. There goes that hope for something better.

Speaking of empty words...

Vacuous verbalism that hints at a trail leading nowhere, followed by a lack of concern over any meaning or value. In short—pointless.

Does the trail lead nowhere?  How would you know?  Are the facts wrong?

Your post is useless.

[pegelli]

Following Alan's link I found another interesting piece on mail-in voting:

After multiple claims that mail-in voting would lead to voter fraud, Trump on Aug. 4 seemed to have modified his stance on the subject and touted Florida’s mail-in voting process on Twitter.

“Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True,” Trump wrote. “Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail!”

While Florida runs “very good elections,” Becker said the process in all states is essentially the same. All ballots are subject to a number of safeguards to protect the authenticity, such as a signature that is later validated against the voter’s signature on file.

The look of ballots may vary by location because there are different races across different jurisdictions and various levels of technology used in the election process.

“Some ballots are larger, some ballots are smaller. Some have different fonts,” Becker said. “It varies by state what information has to go on that ballot, but almost every state requires information like, your name and address, and also personal information — perhaps a birth date or an identification number — and then a signature.”

“It’s the same process in Florida where the president votes, as it is in North Carolina, as it is in Pennsylvania, as it is in Michigan,” Becker added. “It’s one of the reasons I really recommend we don’t get stuck on the names.”

Here is the full article

[TechTalk]

Does the trail lead nowwhere [nowhere]?

Yes.

How would you know?

Because that's where the trail of empty innuendo always leads. Here, I'll show it to you on a map.

Are the facts wrong?

Misleading and pointless, but that's to be expected.

Your post is useless.

Funny, I thought the same thing regarding yours. What a coincidence.

[Craig Lamson]

Yes.
Because that's where the trail of empty innuendo always leads. Here, I'll show it to you on a map.

So you admit you really don't know it leads nowhere.  Got it.

More useless words.
 

[Alan Klein]

Today's NYT has a good article on the use of disinformation in Germany directly following WWI.  It maps perfectly to today's situation where Trump et al have told so many lies about so many things for so long, it's become difficult to discern truth from lies. 

It's important to note that this is (and was) intentional.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opinion/trump-conspiracy-germany-1918.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

1918 Germany Has a Warning for America
Donald Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign recalls one of the most disastrous political lies of the 20th century.

One hundred years ago, amid the implosions of Imperial Germany, powerful conservatives who led the country into war refused to accept that they had lost. Their denial gave birth to arguably the most potent and disastrous political lie of the 20th century — the Dolchstosslegende, or stab-in-the-back myth.

Its core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I. Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but not warranted. It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation — a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation. That the claim was palpably false didn’t matter. Among a sizable number of Germans, it stirred resentment, humiliation and anger.

Over the top to make that comparison.  At least you didn't compare it to Hitler's Germany. 

[Alan Klein]

Arizona has certified its election results. Biden carried the state by a little over 10,000 votes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-wisconsin-election-certification-biden-trump

Dead people voting by mail.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Dead people voting by mail.

That was unnecessary.

[TechTalk]

So you admit you really don't know it leads nowhere.  Got it.

More useless words.

It leads to nowhere. Look at the map. It's just north of baseless assertions.