Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[digitaldog]

Why not just admit you made a spelling mistake poopdog?  What are you afraid of?

I've never admitted to never making a spelling error. Not afraid to state the obvious even to someone who's concept of facts is so suspect.
Happy now? Now how about the rubbish lame-son Dominion conspired theories of your making and posting here, about a photographer who may or may not be able to spell two words and more importantly and has nothing to do with Dominion's vote tallies. You have any facts or evidence of such Dominion's system leading to massive voter issues, please contact Trump's fine* attorneys.
Is this just your jealousy of other photographers, an inability to find any issues with Dominion's vote tallies or more examples of CWOBaT?
I believe all three.
* Sarcasm alert.

[John Camp]

Someone more familiar with the matter might correct me if wrong, but mail-in voting doesn't change a thing about "strange district boundaries." You still vote exactly where you earlier registered to vote, the same district boundary, just by mail.

That's correct. Even in the case (as in Texas) where you might have to drive some distance to physically vote, the vote nevertheless is registered and applied to your home voting district. For example, in the Texas case, Greg Abbott, the governor, attempted to suppress voting by people less able to move about by ordering that there be only one drop off box in each **county.** But counties may have several municipalities and state representative districts, which are based on population, rather than the county area. If your vote didn't return to your home district, that would mean that you'd be essentially disenfranchised for elections in your home area. That is not the way it works.

[faberryman]

It's difficult to trust your hero. Among his other lies, initially he denied also his relationship with Stormy Daniels and when caught he denied knowing about the payment to silence her.

I expect people to lie about extramarital sex. Like Bill Clinton not having sexual relations with that woman. Sort of goes with the territory. Besides, Trump lies about everything else, so why would one expect him not to lie about extramarital sex? Now characterizing the hush money payment as a legal expense, and then taking a tax deduction for it, is a different matter. That's just good old tax fraud. Perhaps Cy Vance will nail him on it.

[pegelli]

Someone more familiar with the matter might correct me if wrong, but mail-in voting doesn't change a thing about "strange district boundaries." You still vote exactly where you earlier registered to vote, the same district boundary, just by mail.

Not in case you make the polling center hard to reach, too far away and too small so people don't come from far away (usually from more "non-republican areas") to stand in line for a long time. There's states and cases where this happens and mail-in ballots solve part of this.

[Craig Lamson]

I've never admitted to never making a spelling error. Not afraid to state the obvious even to someone who's concept of facts is so suspect.
Happy now? Now how about the rubbish lame-son Dominion conspired theories of your making and posting here, about a photographer who may or may not be able to spell two words and more importantly and has nothing to do with Dominion's vote tallies. You have any facts or evidence of such Dominion's system leading to massive voter issues, please contact Trump's fine* attorneys.
Is this just your jealousy of other photographers, an inability to find any issues with Dominion's vote tallies or more examples of CWOBaT?
I believe all three.
* Sarcasm alert.

So you went through all of this nonsense for nothing then.  Talk about a waste of bandwidth.  But then again this is the digital dog.....

I've made no claims at all about any Dominion conspiracy theories.  I simply posted two facts about the election in GA.  As I said it's not my concern how YOU deal with those facts.

And why should I be worried about what other photographers do?  I'm at peace with in my place in the world and with my work over the last 40 years.

Given your want to tell the world just how talented you are and about all the Fortune 100 companies you  produced work for, it makes me wonder just how insecure you really are about yours....

[digitaldog]

Given your want to tell the world just how talented you are and about all the Fortune 100 companies you  produced work for, it makes me wonder just how insecure you really are about yours....

Yes, you wonder. Assume and speculate. I simply posted facts about my clients. San's conspiracy theories. It makes me wonder just how insecure you really are about yours.... 

[Craig Lamson]

Yes, you wonder. Assume and speculate. I simply posted facts about my clients. San's conspiracy theories. It makes me wonder just how insecure you really are about yours.... 

Are they really your clients?  Or it it more deep state nonsense?

[digitaldog]

Are they really your clients?  Or it it more deep state nonsense?

"If you want a wise answer, ask a reasonable question." -Johann von Goethe

[faberryman]

In true Trump fashion, it is always someone else's fault, this time Stephanie Grisham, who is Melania Trump's chief of staff and press secretary. Apparently, it is Ms. Grisham's fault that [fill in the blank].

Our great first lady Melania Trump had awful support

https://nypost.com/2020/11/30/our-great-first-lady-melania-trump-had-awful-support-devine/

If Ms. Grisham was not doing a good job, Melania Trump should have fired her. It's a little late now to be complaining. So much whining.

[digitaldog]

Our great first lady Melania Trump had awful support

Well....

[Peter McLennan]

Today's NYT has a good article on the use of disinformation in Germany directly following WWI.  It maps perfectly to today's situation where Trump et al have told so many lies about so many things for so long, it's become difficult to discern truth from lies. 

It's important to note that this is (and was) intentional.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opinion/trump-conspiracy-germany-1918.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

1918 Germany Has a Warning for America
Donald Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign recalls one of the most disastrous political lies of the 20th century.

One hundred years ago, amid the implosions of Imperial Germany, powerful conservatives who led the country into war refused to accept that they had lost. Their denial gave birth to arguably the most potent and disastrous political lie of the 20th century — the Dolchstosslegende, or stab-in-the-back myth.

Its core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I. Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but not warranted. It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation — a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation. That the claim was palpably false didn’t matter. Among a sizable number of Germans, it stirred resentment, humiliation and anger.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Not in case you make the polling center hard to reach, too far away and too small so people don't come from far away (usually from more "non-republican areas") to stand in line for a long time. There's states and cases where this happens and mail-in ballots solve part of this.

You are responding to a subject I never touched.

[faberryman]

Arizona has certified its election results. Biden carried the state by a little over 10,000 votes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-wisconsin-election-certification-biden-trump

[pegelli]

You are responding to a subject I never touched.

"Strange boundaries" can lead to all the effects I mention. I agree that the boundaries that draw unsimilar areas together to "use" surplus votes from one area to create a majority in another area is not "hampered" by mail-in ballots, but that is just one of the many effects that the strange boundaries are (sometimes) designed to have.

[digitaldog]

"Strange boundaries" can lead to all the effects I mention. I agree that the boundaries that draw unsimilar areas together to "use" surplus votes from one area to create a majority in another area is not "hampered" by mail-in ballots, but that is just one of the many effects that the strange boundaries are designed to have.

He wants to ignore that by saying it's a subject he never touched and to one degree, he's right; if you solely vote BY MAIL, and use the mail, it makes no difference. But many (myself included), thanks to the Trump/Postmaster General Louis DeJoy tactics, decided instead to drop them off either at polling locations or drop boxes. As we've both pointed out, there were many efforts to make this much harder depending on the location to do so. So he can ignore those facts and stick solely with those voting by mail  (USPS), at a much earlier deadline to do so, or examine how it was made difficult to "vote by mail" but drop that vote off. I suspect he'll ignore those options, made harder by so many. 

[Alan Klein]

Once again an opinion only, wrapped as a generalization*. You certainly are consistent in your posting agenda.
The actual facts:
According to Article II of the U.S. Constitution, the president must be a natural-born citizen of the United States, be at least 35 years old, and have been a resident of the United States for 14 years.
* for the Craigslist: "To generalize is to be an idiot. To particularize is the alone distinction of merit. General knowledge are those knowledge that idiots possess".  -William Blake

You couldn't post without calling someone an idiot.  Well, you're consistent. 

Here's another expression. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

[Alan Klein]

Someone more familiar with the matter might correct me if wrong, but mail-in voting doesn't change a thing about "strange district boundaries." You still vote exactly where you earlier registered to vote, the same district boundary, just by mail.

You are correct.  First off, "strange district boundaries" is about Gerrymandering where state legislatures in each of the 50 states define the voting boundaries by who they expect people will vote for.  Both Democrats and Republicans do this to tilt the scale so the district votes for their party.  Whichever party runs the state legislature, creates the boundaries to favor their party.  But this has nothing to do with voting.  Each person lives in only one election district.  Additionally, it is illegal to vote more than once.  To my knowledge, you cannot be a resident of more than one state or more than one election district.

This is where the problem comes in with voting by mail when ballots are sent out automatically by the state to each registered voter rather than only if requested.  Everyone who is on the voting rolls for an election district would get a mail-in ballot.  That includes dead people and people who moved to another state or election district in the same state.  So you have millions of ballots being mailed to people who shouldn't get them.  Election districts rarely clear their voting rolls.  So let's say you moved from NJ to Florida.  New Jersey would send out the ballot which you'd get in Florida, forwarded automatically by the Post Office.  Or if you didn't fillout a moving form with them, they would leave it at your old address which could be your ex-wife or parents.  So you mail it back to NJ and vote as well as vote in Florida or another election district in the same state.  Voting twice of course is illegal. (I don't know if the Post OIffice does not forward ballots.  That would be a simple fix for that issue.  I'll check later.) Dead people are a little more tricky.  When it arrives in their house where they lived, relatives could fill it out and mail it back, also illegal. Chicago and Philadelphia seem to have long-standing issues in the past with dead people voting even in person at the ballot box.  They seem to be healthier than most dead people.  So mailing them in would be a snap for them)   The people who count these ballots have no idea if the person is dead or had moved.

[Alan Klein]

This is why the Democrats were so much in favor of sending out ballots automatically to so many voters.  Even if fraud wasn't being done, their main hope was to capture the young voters who tend to vote democratic but who usually don't vote.  I believe what happened is that many who would not have stood in line to vote in person, found it easy to check the votes and mail it in.  So Democrats captured a lot of votes they would not have gotten otherwise.  This is going to happen in Georgia as well for the senate vote.

[faberryman]

This is where the problem comes in with voting by mail when ballots are sent out automatically by the state to each registered voter rather than only if requested.  Everyone who is on the voting rolls for an election district would get a mail-in ballot.  That includes dead people and people who moved to another state or election district in the same state.  So you have millions of ballots being mailed to people who shouldn't get them.  Election districts rarely clear their voting rolls.  So let's say you moved from NJ to Florida.  New Jersey would send out the ballot which you'd get in Florida, forwarded automatically by the Post Office.  Or if you didn't fillout a moving form with them, they would leave it at your old address which could be your ex-wife or parents.  So you mail it back to NJ and vote as well as vote in Florida or another election district in the same state.  Voting twice of course is illegal. (I don't know if the Post OIffice does not forward ballots.  That would be a simple fix for that issue.  I'll check later.) Dead people are a little more tricky.  When it arrives in their house where they lived, relatives could fill it out and mail it back, also illegal. Chicago and Philadelphia seem to have long-standing issues in the past with dead people voting even in person at the ballot box.  They seem to be healthier than most dead people.  So mailing them in would be a snap for them)   The people who count these ballots have no idea if the person is dead or had moved.

I thought New Jersey only sent out ballots to registered voters who had completed and mailed in a mail-in ballot request form. Did this change in 2020?

To my knowledge, only a few states, which conduct their elections by mail, send out ballots without having first received a mail-in ballot request form.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections.aspx

[Alan Klein]

I'll just go on record here:

Alan Klain is absolutely the most polite and patient debater here. Also most of the time very commonsensical.

The fact that you et al do not like what he says is a different matter.

Thanks.  I think I'm pretty nice too.