Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[faberryman]

Jeremy was maligning Slobodan.  I was responding. You're not keeping up Peter. 

I have the distinct impression that Slobodon is a big boy and can defend himself, and in fact did defend himself. I don't know why you think it is either necessary or appropriate for you to come uninvited to his aid, particularly with a whatabout and a 244 year old grudge.

[digitaldog]

Andrew, we were discussing current requests, not those that were done in the spring.

We are?
And yet, what you wrote:

I haven't heard of any governors asking the Federal government for assistance with building temporary hospitals or providing hospital ships as were requested in the Spring.

So here's what you missed, again, a week ago:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/states-overwhelmed-by-covid-19-are-pleading-with-the-trump-administration-for-hospital-help
States Overwhelmed by COVID Are Pleading With the Trump Administration for Hospital Help
On a Monday call between the White House’s coronavirus task force and the nation’s governors, a recording of which was obtained by The Daily Beast, Peter Gaynor, the administrator for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said he and the agency’s administrators throughout the U.S. have been in contact with state leaders in recent weeks about how to handle the staffing shortages in hospitals and other health care facilities

https://health.wyo.gov/governor-provides-additional-support-to-wyoming-hospitals-for-covid-19-response/
“I want to thank President Trump and his administration for providing much-needed resources to Wyoming to deal with the serious strain COVID-19 has put on our healthcare system,” Gordon said. “We have had to call upon resources from outside the state to help deal with this surge in hospitalizations.
Again, post less, RTFM a LOT more Alan.
Maybe when Trump is done with golf for the day, he'll help some, just some of those Governors out.

[faberryman]

No, the point of the article did not go over my head.  Nor did your secret desire.  The argument has been there and yours here of a black-white choice.  Shut everything down or not.  Screw the economy.  Let's save lives and everything else can go to hell.  Well, that's not the choice.  That's no choice at all.

What is the choice oh learned one, and how are governors not implementing such choice? The way I heard it from you is that is a great experiment in federalism with 50 governors trying different things to achieve the best result for both public safety and the economy. Which of the 50 different approaches do you think best achieves the balancing act? I mean we are at close to 260,000 dead, and an economy (not to be confused with the stock market) which is, shall we say, underperforming; surely we have learned something beneficial.

[Chris Kern]

This is a contender for the stupidest post of all time.

I fear this comment is premature: we're still only halfway through the day.

[faberryman]

We are?
And yet, what you wrote:So here's what you missed, again, a week ago:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/states-overwhelmed-by-covid-19-are-pleading-with-the-trump-administration-for-hospital-help
States Overwhelmed by COVID Are Pleading With the Trump Administration for Hospital Help
On a Monday call between the White House’s coronavirus task force and the nation’s governors, a recording of which was obtained by The Daily Beast, Peter Gaynor, the administrator for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, said he and the agency’s administrators throughout the U.S. have been in contact with state leaders in recent weeks about how to handle the staffing shortages in hospitals and other health care facilities

https://health.wyo.gov/governor-provides-additional-support-to-wyoming-hospitals-for-covid-19-response/
“I want to thank President Trump and his administration for providing much-needed resources to Wyoming to deal with the serious strain COVID-19 has put on our healthcare system,” Gordon said. “We have had to call upon resources from outside the state to help deal with this surge in hospitalizations.
Again, post less, RTFM a LOT more Alan.
Maybe when Trump is done with golf for the day, he'll help some, just some of those Governors out.

Don't confuse Mr. Whatabout with facts. It screws up all his unfounded opinions. He is certainly entitled to have such opinions, and to post them here. No one is denying that.

[chez]

Op-Ed: On the COVID frontlines, we’re tired of hearing lame excuses for risky behavior
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-11-23/medical-workers-angry-lame-coronavirus-excuses#null

A great comparison to how everyone had to sacrifice during WW2. Yep...many have turned into a bunch of soft sniveling self centered entitled spoiled brats who think wearing a mask is too much to be asked of them.

[digitaldog]

Yesterday (late): GSA informs Biden that the administration is ready to begin the transition.
Today (early) Dow hits record 30K. They like the above, and Yellen it appears.
Today (minutes ago) Trump sneaks on stage at press conference for a minute, takes credit for the Dow.
This is a contender for the stupidest comment from Trump; for just today. 
And now our economic expert living off Gov assistance will tell us WHY Trump deserves all the Dow credit (hint; Market goes up, he's the reason. Goes down, it's someone else's fault). 

[chez]

I haven't heard of any governors asking the Federal government for assistance with building temporary hospitals or providing hospital ships as were requested in the Spring.

I've seen stadiums being outfitted as hospitals. I've seen refrigerator trucks being lined up as morgues. 

[armand]

No, the point of the article did not go over my head.  Nor did your secret desire.  The argument has been there and yours here of a black-white choice.  Shut everything down or not.  Screw the economy.  Let's save lives and everything else can go to hell.  Well, that's not the choice.  That's no choice at all.

The economy has to survive as well so people can eat.  That means more illness, more sick people.  That means health workers are going to be exposed more, get sick more, and even die more.  If they feel they don't want to risk that, they can quit.  But of course, they have to eat as well.  So they're willing to take the risk of getting sick to feed their families.  So why shouldn't everyone else take risks and work so they can feed their families as well?

... Not going to a birthday party, delaying a wedding and or just not partying doesn't prevent food to reach people's tables. Wearing a mask doesn't prevent you from working, and so on. ...

Talking to a wall would be more fruitful. If from my quote you understand my "secret black and white desire to shut down everything", you are on different level. Which I already knew going in, so in the end it's my fault for humoring you.

[faberryman]

I fear this comment is premature: we're still only halfway through the day.

We could have a stupidest morning post, a stupidest afternoon post, and a stupidest evening post. Everyone loves prizes. The more the merrier.

[chez]

No, the point of the article did not go over my head.  Nor did your secret desire.  The argument has been there and yours here of a black-white choice.  Shut everything down or not.  Screw the economy.  Let's save lives and everything else can go to hell.  Well, that's not the choice.  That's no choice at all.

The economy has to survive as well so people can eat.  That means more illness, more sick people.  That means health workers are going to be exposed more, get sick more, and even die more.  If they feel they don't want to risk that, they can quit.  But of course, they have to eat as well.  So they're willing to take the risk of getting sick to feed their families.  So why shouldn't everyone else take risks and work so they can feed their families as well?

How does keeping your distances, staying away from large gatherings...especially indoors, wearing masks in public, keep travel to a minimum and washing your hands make everything go to hell. The only time a lock down is required is when things spin out of control because idiots don't follow these very simple steps.

These are the steps being followed in south east Asia where the economy is starting to roll...

[faberryman]

These are the steps being followed in south east Asia where the economy is starting to roll...

You are forgetting about rugged individualism, which is just an excuse for stupid and petulant behavior. Remember the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, and the freedom to do stupid and petulant stuff which adversely affects not only us but our fellow men..."

[Alan Klein]

How does keeping your distances, staying away from large gatherings...especially indoors, wearing masks in public, keep travel to a minimum and washing your hands make everything go to hell. The only time a lock down is required is when things spin out of control because idiots don't follow these very simple steps.

These are the steps being followed in south east Asia where the economy is starting to roll...

Now that Trump lost and Biden is in, the goalposts are changing.  Before, Democrats wanted to shut everything down.  Now, they're willing to compromise.  Have you forgotten that Biden insisted on doing what the doctors wanted?  He said he would shut everything down if they said so. So now, Biden is backing off that plan.  Biden's first lie.  This way, he and you can adjust the goalposts and keep the economy open despite increasing cases.  Pretty soon,, you'll sound like Republicans making their arguments.  You'll sound like me. 

[jeremyrh]

Now that Trump lost and Biden is in, the goalposts are changing.  Before, Democrats wanted to shut everything down.  Now, they're willing to compromise.  Have you forgotten that Biden insisted on doing what the doctors wanted?  He said he would shut everything down if they said so. So now, Biden is backing off that plan.  Biden's first lie.  This way, he and you can adjust the goalposts and keep the economy open despite increasing cases.  Pretty soon,, you'll sound like Republicans making their arguments.  You'll sound like me. 

Next level whataboutery. What about what someone might do in the future.

[digitaldog]

Now that Trump lost and Biden is in, the goalposts are changing.  Before, Democrats wanted to shut everything down.  Now, they're willing to compromise.  Have you forgotten that Biden insisted on doing what the doctors wanted?  He said he would shut everything down if they said so. So now, Biden is backing off that plan.  Biden's first lie.

No! Wrong! He unlike some here, has the ability to study and learn. From experts. And adjust to facts, data and science.
“When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir?” John Maynard Keynes
I'm not asking you, one who has strained to study and learn facts. From experts.

[chez]

Now that Trump lost and Biden is in, the goalposts are changing.  Before, Democrats wanted to shut everything down.  Now, they're willing to compromise.  Have you forgotten that Biden insisted on doing what the doctors wanted?  He said he would shut everything down if they said so. So now, Biden is backing off that plan.  Biden's first lie.  This way, he and you can adjust the goalposts and keep the economy open despite increasing cases.  Pretty soon,, you'll sound like Republicans making their arguments.  You'll sound like me. 

So basically you did not answer the question that you quoted. I'll ask again:

How does wearing a mask out in public, not socializing in big groups, keeping 6' apart if possible and washing your hands often make the economy go all to hell?

[Alan Klein]

No! Wrong! He unlike some here, has the ability to study and learn. From experts. And adjust to facts, data and science.
“When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir?” John Maynard Keynes
I'm not asking you, one who has strained to study and learn facts. From experts.

So Biden changed his mind in two weeks or so, from before the election to afterward. A quick learner.  How convenient? 

[faberryman]

Have you forgotten that Biden insisted on doing what the doctors wanted?  He said he would shut everything down if they said so. So now, Biden is backing off that plan.  Biden's first lie.  This way, he and you can adjust the goalposts and keep the economy open despite increasing cases.

I have looked at the CDC website and haven't seen anything where the doctors have recommended shutting everything down, so I'll just assume that is your personal opinion, not founded on any facts, which, of course you are free to hold and post.

[Alan Klein]

So basically you did not answer the question that you quoted. I'll ask again:

How does wearing a mask out in public, not socializing in big groups, keeping 6' apart if possible and washing your hands often make the economy go all to hell?

That has nothing to do with shutting everything down which is what the Democrats wanted to do and many still want to do.  But now that Biden will be president, they realize he can't do that or Democrats will lose in 2022 if the economy continues to fail.  So they'll change horses a midstream and moderate their approach.  So now they'll favor going back to work.  You forget how people here called Joe and Craig "immoral" for wanting to go back to work to feed their families.  They were called "heartless and uncaring" about their fellow Americans.  So now you think it's OK for them and others to work.  Very nice of you. 

[digitaldog]

So Biden changed his mind in two weeks or so, from before the election to afterward. A quick learner.  How convenient?

Yes and yes; an excellent exception from the clown currently in charge of the largest infection rate from Covid-19 on the ENTIRE planet.
Trump: making Americans more sick, again