US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Alan Goldhammer]

This one is really funny.  President Trump's super-spy and Borat-pranked former mayor of New York City stalked off the set of Fox News, yes Fox News ---- oh the horror of it all --- as he gets uncomfortable questions.  Hey, he's acting just like the Prez.  Get some tough questions, just shut things down!!!  Here is the clip:  https://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-interview-is-now-over-giuliani-erupts-on-foxs-kennedy-over-biden-shouts-at-her-for-outrageous-defamation/

[Alan Klein]

I don't recall Biden lying under oath and going to jail, but I may have missed it along the way. Can you send me a link?

Biden lied under oath and went to jail.  Bubba didn't.

Sorry, I meant Cohen (Trump's lawyer) lied under oath and went to jail.  Bubba didn't.  Biden's still free. 

[Alan Klein]

Just your daily reminder that this "scandal" involves a) Joe Biden's *son*, *proposing*, not doing, foreign business in *2017*.  While Joe Biden was neither in office nor yet a candidate.

Can someone help me out though? Who else had a son actually doing foreign business in 2017?  And was that person the holder of any office of import?  And did they actually hold, say, 10% (just to pick a number out of the air) or more of the company in question?

Bottom line - true for not, this is (still) a woefully stupid attempt at discrediting Joe Biden.   

It wasn't 2017. Biden son made the deal with China while Biden was Vice President years before around 2014.  Both of them flew together a number of times in Air Force 2, the Vice President official government plane, and met with people involved in the company in China and who gave his son the deal.  Hunter didn't do a hands length transaction in getting the job but used his father and his government office of VP.  If his father wasn't VP at the time, no one would have given Hunter a deal much less a second look. The question being raised by Bubba's comments and records, is whether Joe Biden took money or is having money held for him for the deal.  If he did, that would be a violation of the constitution, and impeachable offence, and probably tax avoidance because he wouldn't have reported the income as earnings or it would be proof he was part of the deal.  That senile he isn't.

[Craig Lamson]

Politico have a very useful story on the state of the Hunter Biden 'scandal':  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131  Do note the link to the WSJ story (a favorite news outlet for Craig) that notes no role for Joe Biden.

Facts can be inconvenient and true scandals require evidence.

You will note, the WSJ wrote that story before Bobulinski laid out his case.   They wrote it days ago.. Things have changed.  BTW, even if there were no "corporate records" indicating a role for Joe Biden and even if the deal did not complete, do you think its possible for Joe to be involved and NOT be listed as a partner?  After all he was a potential Presidental candidate. 

Inconvenient scandals for the current darling of the left must be supressed at all costs. 

[Craig Lamson]

This one is really funny.  President Trump's super-spy and Borat-pranked former mayor of New York City stalked off the set of Fox News, yes Fox News ---- oh the horror of it all --- as he gets uncomfortable questions.  Hey, he's acting just like the Prez.  Get some tough questions, just shut things down!!!  Here is the clip:  https://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-interview-is-now-over-giuliani-erupts-on-foxs-kennedy-over-biden-shouts-at-her-for-outrageous-defamation/

Wow, she said in essence Rudy you are just like Steele.  I would have left too.

[Alan Klein]

Interesting Op Ed in the NYT about suppressing the laptop story


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opinion/hunter-biden-story-media.html

The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election.  Then nothing will be done.  If he loses, no one will care.  If he wins, the House will do nothing because it's Democrat controlled.  The Senate will do nothing if it switches to democrat.  Even if it stays republican, any investigation won't go to far since its the House that impeaches.  Of course, if there really was a payoff and he had his hand in the candy jar, and it comes out, it could be Watergate all over again.  The Democrats in Congress like the Republicans back then, will have to protect themselves and go after Biden.  But we're a long way away from that ever happening. 

[Craig Lamson]

The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election.  Then nothing will be done.  If he loses, no one will care.  If he wins, the House will do nothing because it's Democrat controlled.  The Senate will do nothing if it switches to democrat.  Even if it stays republican, any investigation won't go to far since its the House that impeaches.  Of course, if there really was a payoff and he had his hand in the candy jar, and it comes out, it could be Watergate all over again.  The Democrats in Congress like the Republicans back then, will have to protect themselves and go after Biden.  But we're a long way away from that ever happening.

Yea this is a dead end,  buried by the MSM to protect Biden.  It's still somehting peole should have at least been made aware of and has the chance the decide for themself.

Its a brave new world where only approved thought is accepted.

[Alan Klein]

Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?

There may be an investigation going on but it hasn't been completed.  The FBI does not discuss investigations as a matter of policy and they're not suppose to do make announcements publicly within three months of an election according to DOJ guidelines if candidates are involved.  This prevents influencing an election one way or the other.

[Alan Klein]

This is totally laughable.  Under this version of unreality, the FBI would have been silent back in 2016.  You don't seriously believe this?

Joe Biden was Vice President in 2016 and Obama was president and there was an election going on.  You don't think they would go after a sitting VP, do you?  Especially when they were so busy going after Donald Trump for colluding with the Russians and Hillary Clinton for her emails and servers.  Frankly, they should have locked them all up. 

[Alan Klein]

Well, maybe I can set up a meeting. I mean he gave a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old foreign reporter a meeting, and ended up lying on his back on her bed with his hand in his pants, so why not me?

You told us you were too old for this stuff.  Stay out of trouble. Keep your hands in your pockets.

[Alan Klein]

Alan you are smart enough to know the market ebbs and flows. 

Is your portfolio better today than it was 4 years ago?

The market is going to crash after the election.  Whoever wins, their party is going to be blamed for a disastrous economy and lose big time in Congress in 2022. 

[Alan Goldhammer]

The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election. 

Is there any proof that Biden has done anything illegal?  Contrast this to Trump where there was evidence.

[Alan Goldhammer]

There may be an investigation going on but it hasn't been completed.  The FBI does not discuss investigations as a matter of policy and they're not suppose to do make announcements publicly within three months of an election according to DOJ guidelines if candidates are involved.  This prevents influencing an election one way or the other.

This is absolutely untrue.  The FBI can take action right away if there is evidence of malfeasance.  Look at the Giuliani interview link that I posted.  He alleged pictures of underage girls on the laptop.  I know for a fact that this is an immediate actionable offense 'if' the pictures are legitimate and a law is being broken.  Some one I know pretty well was busted for having child porn on a home computer and the action and court case was really fast.  Both local law enforcement and the FBI were involved and the sentencing hearing is next month.  If this were the case with the Biden laptop he would have been arrested if the time line that Giuliani says in the interview is true.  I know you guys want to keep looking for conspiracies where there are not any but you need to face the reality of what law enforcement can do when there is real evidence. 

No action = no evidence.  Regarding Bobulinski or whatever his name is, this is just another example of he said, he said in action.  Nobody of the right wanted to believe Dr. Ford iin the Kavanaugh confirmation because of the sketchiness of her testimony.  Well you should be applying the same standards here!!!  Anyone can get up and say someone has committed a crime and it's easy enough to fake emails and I'm sure that 99% of the members of LuLa are adept enough at Photoshop to manufacture what might look like incriminating photos.  Adobe Acrobat documents can be counterfeited pretty easily as well.  the bottom line is that Rudy doesn't want forensics done on any of this because it would show it all to be fake.  Speaking of fakes, maybe it's time to watch the old Orson Wells movie, 'F is for Fake.'

What we really need is for Clifford Irving to come back to life and write about all this.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Here is more on the Omaha MAGA rally:  https://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-122800928.html

[Alan Klein]

I have no idea - but what they do or don't do to take advantage of their last name isn't really of consequence, is it?  I mean, they all work for their dad's company, and he (Donald Trump Sr.) *still owns the company* so aren't they by definition working on his behalf whenever they make a deal?  How can you deny that their entanglements with their dad's finances are any *possibly* any less that Hunter Biden's with Joe's?

And even so, I still don't see the "so what." 

Look - let's say that you, Craig Lamson, get fed up and suddenly get elected governor of your state.   I "talk" to you on LuLa once a week or so, and, being the enterprising young man that I am, let it be known to my vast network at FujiFilm that I can make an intro, and I charge them 50K for the privilege.

At this point, what have you done wrong?   

Let's say I actually make the intro, what have you done wrong at that point?

Hell, let's even say that I propose a retail operation in your state, and that I think you'll want 10%, but then you tell me to screw off, and you release your tax returns that shows that you own exactly nothing of any partnership with Fujifilm, or any Japanese company?

What have you done wrong?

He's got conflicts of interest up the wazoo.  Isn't that what this is all about?  Joe Biden might be involved his son's foreign business, and his son might have taken money to make an intro?  Trump actually OWNS businesses that do all sorts of work overseas, and his own kids' livelihoods actively depend on that. Isn't that a problem?  Isn't Trump conflicted into doing things that benefit his family the same way Joe Biden is supposed to be conflicted?

Now if you became governor and said, "Hey - James Clark - go tell Fujifilm that they can get an appointment with me, and see if you can get 50K to make it happen.  Oh, and pass me half on the side.." then yeah, that's a problem.  But there's absolutely zero evidence of that.  In fact, that's sort of what got Blogojovich tossed into jail, and Trump commuted that dude's sentence, so???


Not any Dem.  Bernie Sanders would have been a hard choice for me to pull the lever for, but he wouldn't have had a prayer here in TX anyway, so I could have voted for Jorgensen with a clear conscience.  I would have happily voted for Buttigieg or Harris, and in fact preferred them both to Biden.  Warren would have been my "lesser of two evils" but at least she's smart. And competent.   

No problem if it was an arm's length transaction and Hunter did it on his own.  However, that doesn;t seem to be the case.  He worked with his father on introductions and a wink and nod were given by the VP to secure his son the job and deal.  That's illegal.  At a minimum, the Biden's working together should be looked into and discussed by the press so the voters can make an informed decision about trust, especially because of all the accusations against Trump and his sons.  They should be treated equally.  However  the press is ignoring it and making excuses to protect them.  "I see nothing.  I hear nothing"
https://mortgagehorror.com/2013/11/29/i-know-nothing-i-see-nothing-i-hear-nothing/

[Alan Klein]

This one is really funny.  President Trump's super-spy and Borat-pranked former mayor of New York City stalked off the set of Fox News, yes Fox News ---- oh the horror of it all --- as he gets uncomfortable questions.  Hey, he's acting just like the Prez.  Get some tough questions, just shut things down!!!  Here is the clip:  https://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-interview-is-now-over-giuliani-erupts-on-foxs-kennedy-over-biden-shouts-at-her-for-outrageous-defamation/

It's Biden who hasn't answered questions because he might have another lapse in memory.  Trump has always opened himself up to long conferences with questions afterwards and one-on-one interviews for hours at a time by reporters on the left and right.  In the case you mentioned, the questioner was a disrespectful jerk and he was right to walk out.

[Alan Klein]

Yea this is a dead end,  buried by the MSM to protect Biden.  It's still somehting peole should have at least been made aware of and has the chance the decide for themself.

Its a brave new world where only approved thought is accepted.

You're right.  The press is quick to to accuse Trump and his sons but are conveniently absent with Democrat fathers and sons.  .

[Craig Lamson]

This is absolutely untrue.  The FBI can take action right away if there is evidence of malfeasance.  Look at the Giuliani interview link that I posted.  He alleged pictures of underage girls on the laptop.  I know for a fact that this is an immediate actionable offense 'if' the pictures are legitimate and a law is being broken.  Some one I know pretty well was busted for having child porn on a home computer and the action and court case was really fast.  Both local law enforcement and the FBI were involved and the sentencing hearing is next month.  If this were the case with the Biden laptop he would have been arrested if the time line that Giuliani says in the interview is true.  I know you guys want to keep looking for conspiracies where there are not any but you need to face the reality of what law enforcement can do when there is real evidence. 

No action = no evidence.  Regarding Bobulinski or whatever his name is, this is just another example of he said, he said in action.  Nobody of the right wanted to believe Dr. Ford iin the Kavanaugh confirmation because of the sketchiness of her testimony.  Well you should be applying the same standards here!!!  Anyone can get up and say someone has committed a crime and it's easy enough to fake emails and I'm sure that 99% of the members of LuLa are adept enough at Photoshop to manufacture what might look like incriminating photos.  Adobe Acrobat documents can be counterfeited pretty easily as well.  the bottom line is that Rudy doesn't want forensics done on any of this because it would show it all to be fake.  Speaking of fakes, maybe it's time to watch the old Orson Wells movie, 'F is for Fake.'

What we really need is for Clifford Irving to come back to life and write about all this.

Actually no evidence does not mean no action.  To use a favorite tactic of the left, Sources say the FBI did not move forward because they did not think the computer guys story would stand up in court.  Of course that was well before all the email confirmation came to light from other people and Bobulinski getting interviewed by the FBI.  We simply don't know what is going on now.

[Alan Klein]

Is there any proof that Biden has done anything illegal?  Contrast this to Trump where there was evidence.

Yes.  Bubulinksi's, an honorable veteran's statement.  Also the records showing the the flights Joe and HUnter took and their meetings with the CHinese. Even Obama cautioned Joe it didn't look right.   Where's the press?  Since when did they need proof before investigating?  That's how the proof came out with Watergate.  From the press.  The pres is ignoring it to protect Biden.  You're doing the same.

[Craig Lamson]

It's Biden who hasn't answered questions because he might have another lapse in memory.  Trump has always opened himself up to long conferences with questions afterwards and one-on-one interviews for hours at a time by reporters on the left and right.  In the case you mentioned, the questioner was a disrespectful jerk and he was right to walk out.

Did Biden get asked any questions about all of this when he was to supposed to take questions after voting today?  Did he even take questions?

Never mind I just looked.  He took a couple of questions and left before it could get tough.  Funny video though.  Biden has been mocked for wearing two mask, what appears to be a n95 covered with the simple blue mask.  People mocked him because you could see the two sets of ear straps.  Today he did it again, what appears to be a n95 under a blue mask, but only one set of ear straps.  Looks like the n95 had the straps cut off and it was just sliding around under the blue one.  He had to constantly re-adjust the n95  Even worse he wasted the n96 because to make it effective it needs to fit tightly on the face.  So much for the shortage of PPE. To heck with the little guy or answering tough questions.  What a guy!