Topic: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems) (Read 272212 times)

faberryman · « **Reply #3300 on:** October 28, 2020, 10:33:32 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 10:08:16 am

Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street Journal. And yes they are reporting.

Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story. IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3. They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump for the last for years. It seems to me you are not paying attention.

I have found a fair amount of stuff on the New York Post, Breitbart and Infowars, less on Fox, and not much, but some, elsewhere. And a lot of the articles just repeat the stuff that is in the other articles, so the actual amount of information seemed fairly small in the aggregate. I mean all the reporters have a copy quota hanging over their heads so they have to say something. I haven't looked at this particular issue since last Friday, so there may have been a deluge of new information since then, and I may change my assessment after I summon the courage to watch the Carlson/Bobulinski interview. I am kind of expecting Bobulinski to say a lot of stuff adverse to the Bidens, kind of like Michael Cohen said a lot of stuff adverse to Trump. Many Trump supporters didn't believe Cohen, so perhaps you can understand my skepticism about Bobulinski. I'll just have to see. I have already voted, so even if the Bidens made a full confession of wrongdoing, I couldn't change my vote anyway.

Here is a link to my lengthy analysis of the state of play at the end of last week. I have not updated it, so things may have changed.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1190547#msg1190547

Alan Klein · « **Reply #3301 on:** October 28, 2020, 10:35:09 am »

Biden lied under oath and went to jail. Bubba didn't.

faberryman · « **Reply #3302 on:** October 28, 2020, 10:51:22 am »

Quote from: Alan Klein on October 28, 2020, 10:32:44 am

But abortion is a local issue like hunting and fishing regulations or speeding.

Some people believe that, others don't. There seems to be some controversy about it.

faberryman · « **Reply #3303 on:** October 28, 2020, 10:52:59 am »

Quote from: Alan Klein on October 28, 2020, 10:35:09 am

Biden lied under oath and went to jail. Bubba didn't.

I don't recall Biden lying under oath and going to jail, but I may have missed it along the way. Can you send me a link?

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3304 on:** October 28, 2020, 10:56:50 am »

Quote from: faberryman on October 28, 2020, 10:33:32 am

I have found a fair amount of stuff on the New York Post, Breitbart and Infowars, less on Fox, and not much, but some, elsewhere. And a lot of the articles just repeat the stuff that is in the other articles, so the actual amount of information seemed fairly small in the aggregate. I haven't looked at this particular issue since last Friday, so there may have been a deluge of new information since then, and I may change my assessment after I summon the courage to watch the Calson/Bobulinski interview. I am kind of expecting Bobulinski to say a lot of stuff adverse to the Bidens, kind of like Michael Cohen said a lot of stuff adverse to Trump. Many Trump supporters didn't believe Cohen, so perhaps you can understand my skepticism about Bobulinski. I'll just have to see. I have already voted, so even if the Bidens made a full confession of wrongdoing, I couldn't change my vote anyway.

Bobulinski has the documents to back up his claims. Cohen, not so much. What struck me as interesting about Bobulinski was the fact that it was Adam Schiff who sent him public. He has emails and voice recordings with the guy who is the rep for the Biden Family and he asks him to have Joe request the Schaffer retract his statement. Seems Bobulinski is a proud ex military who is not happy being smeared as a traitor. There was no retraction, so he went public to defend his name. The Biden rep pleads with him not to do it because it will “ take us all down”

faberryman · « **Reply #3305 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:05:50 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 10:56:50 am

Bobulinski has the documents to back up his claims.

Well, the sooner he releases all the documents and voice recordings to the public, and all the emails and photos, and videos too, the sooner we'll get to the bottom of it. Same goes for everybody else who says they've got the stuff. It is not enough that they release just the stuff they want to show everyone, all the stuff. Unless I change my mind after watching the interview, this seems like the old list of communist sympathizers in the briefcase routine.

James Clark · « **Reply #3306 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:07:42 am »

Just your daily reminder that this "scandal" involves a) Joe Biden's *son*, *proposing*, not doing, foreign business in *2017*. While Joe Biden was neither in office nor yet a candidate.

Can someone help me out though? Who else had a son actually doing foreign business in 2017? And was that person the holder of any office of import? And did they actually hold, say, 10% (just to pick a number out of the air) or more of the company in question?

Bottom line - true for not, this is (still) a woefully stupid attempt at discrediting Joe Biden.

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3307 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:09:20 am »

Quote from: faberryman on October 28, 2020, 11:05:50 am

Well, the sooner he releases all the documents and voice recordings to the public, the sooner we'll get to the bottom of it. Same goes for everybody else who says they've got the stuff.

He’s given it to the FBI, the Senate, and now Fox. He is now on the record with an interview. It’s up to you if you want to see it.

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3308 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:13:02 am »

Quote from: James Clark on October 28, 2020, 11:07:42 am

Just your daily reminder that this "scandal" involves a) Joe Biden's *son*, *proposing*, not doing, foreign business in *2017*. While Joe Biden was neither in office nor yet a candidate.

Can someone help me out though? Who else had a son actually doing foreign business in 2017? And was that person the holder of any office of import? And did they actually hold, say, 10% (just to pick a number out of the air) or more of the company in question?

Bottom line - true for not, this is (still) a woefully stupid attempt at discrediting Joe Biden.

Did you watch Bobulinski? It not about Hunter...it’s about Joe. it goes well beyond 2017 and back to 15 and 16, when Joe was VP.

Fox is all over this today. You might want to get up to speed if this matters to you. If not, so be it.

But again why was this story suppressed by the MSM? And never underestimate the Republicans ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory😎

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3309 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:18:00 am »

Interesting Op Ed in the NYT about suppressing the laptop story

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opinion/hunter-biden-story-media.html

James Clark · « **Reply #3310 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:20:12 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 11:13:02 am

Did you watch Bobulinski? It not about Hunter...it’s about Joe. it goes well beyond 2017 and back to 15 and 16, when Joe was VP.

Fox is all over this today. You might want to get up to speed if this matter to you. If not, so be it.

That's what I'm sourcing - I read the fox synopsis here, figuring it would be the most unflattering picture I could find of the situation without wandering into freakshows like Chanel Rion

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I guess I'm just dumb, and I swear I'm not being political but for the life of me I can't understand how this has any real bearing on Joe Biden whatsoever, especially when you're comparing his alleged actions and foreign involvement with what Trump is doing every single day.

James Clark · « **Reply #3311 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:31:52 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 11:18:00 am

Interesting Op Ed in the NYT about suppressing the laptop story

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opinion/hunter-biden-story-media.html

It's a decent perspective. It's not really about "suppressing the laptop story" though

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3312 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:32:12 am »

Quote from: James Clark on October 28, 2020, 11:20:12 am

That's what I'm sourcing - I read the fox synopsis here, figuring it would be the most unflattering picture I could find of the situation without wandering into freakshows like Chanel Rion .

I guess I'm just dumb, and I swear I'm not being political hereabout for the life of me I can't understand how this has any bearing on Joe Biden whatsoever, especially when you're comparing his alleged actions and foreign involvement with what Trump is doing every single day.

Did any of the Trump children or brothers try to sell access to the President? I would love to be enlightened. What exactly is Trump doing everyday, all out in the open?

I get it, this just does matter to you. I’m going out on a limb here but I think you might have voted for any Dem to just oust Trump. That’s valid of course. What would it have taken for you not to vote for Trumps opponent?

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3313 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:33:44 am »

Quote from: James Clark on October 28, 2020, 11:31:52 am

It's a decent perspective. It's not really about "suppressing the laptop story" though

Actually it is since Bobulinski is part and parcel with the laptop.

. It would not be out in the wild without the laptop.

faberryman · « **Reply #3314 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:35:56 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 11:09:20 am

He’s given it to the FBI, the Senate, and now Fox. He is now on the record with an interview. It’s up to you if you want to see it.

So, if I give the FBI, the Senate, and Fox a call, they'll send the stuff to me? And that's just the bobblehead stuff. What about all the other stuff Giuliani et al. have? I told you I would watch the interview, but that's just one guy telling his side of the story.

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3315 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:37:08 am »

James, I just read the Fox synopsis you linked. You need to watch the entire interview...

Craig Lamson · « **Reply #3316 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:39:20 am »

Quote from: faberryman on October 28, 2020, 11:35:56 am

So, if I give the FBI, the Senate, and Fox a call, they'll send the stuff to me? I told you I would watch the interview. And that's just the bobblehead stuff. What about all the other stuff Giuliani et al. have?

I believe Rudy said if you want to see the contents of the hard drive, to ask. Give him a call and see what happens.

As for the FBI. Don’t hold your breath. If the Reps hold the Senate I would bet you will see the stuff.

faberryman · « **Reply #3317 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:41:32 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 11:33:44 am

Actually it is since Bobulinski is part and parcel with the laptop. . It would not be out in the wild without the laptop.

Why not? Bobblehead has all his stuff on his own computer. Why does he need Hunter Biden's computer. Did the FBI or Giuliani and friends let bobblehead look at all the stuff on Hunter Biden's laptop? I thought bobblehead was just releasing his stuff out of a patriotic duty, having previously served in the armed force and all.

Alan Goldhammer · « **Reply #3318 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:42:40 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 10:56:50 am

Bobulinski has the documents to back up his claims. Cohen, not so much. What struck me as interesting about Bobulinski was the fact that it was Adam Schiff who sent him public. He has emails and voice recordings with the guy who is the rep for the Biden Family and he asks him to have Joe request the Schaffer retract his statement. Seems Bobulinski is a proud ex military who is not happy being smeared as a traitor. There was no retraction, so he went public to defend his name. The Biden rep pleads with him not to do it because it will “ take us all down”

Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?

Alan Goldhammer · « **Reply #3319 on:** October 28, 2020, 11:45:02 am »

Quote from: Craig Lamson on October 28, 2020, 11:39:20 am

I believe Rudy said if you want to see the contents of the hard drive, to ask. Give him a call and see what happens.

As for the FBI. Don’t hold your breath. If the Reps hold the Senate I would bet you will see the stuff.

This is totally laughable. Under this version of unreality, the FBI would have been silent back in 2016. You don't seriously believe this?

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