US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[faberryman]

Mount Rushmore Is Federal property.  The Governor of S Dakota has no say in it.  You would have thought the vaunted New York Times crack staff could have figured out that one tiny detail.

So why did the White House reach out to the governor?

[Craig Lamson]

So why did the White House reach out to the governor?

Did they?

[Robert Roaldi]

In 2019, Trump replaced Obama's 2014 Veterans Choice Act with a better one called the VA Mission Act. The left wing news does not want to recognize how Trump is cleaning up a defective Veterans Administration that has plague the country for years.  Vets had been dying en masse waiting for care and appointments with VA doctors. It was a disgrace.  You no longer read about that kind of stuff because Trump cleaned up a lot of that delinquency.  Just like the press ignores how Trump cleaned up ISIS that Obama left, they don't want to acknowledge any of Trump's successes.  I'd walk out of the news conference too if I was challenged with a set-up question that tried to embarrass me.  The left wing press is just playing political games. 

Military News
Trump Signs $55 Billion Bill to Replace VA Choice Program
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html
 President Donald Trump signed a landmark bill Wednesday to replace the troubled Veterans Choice Program and expand private health care options amid a fight between the White House and Congress over how to pay for it.

The bill, the VA Mission Act, would also expand caregivers assistance to the families of disabled veterans and order an inventory of the Department of Veterans Affairs' more than 1,100 facilities with a long-term view to trimming excess.

Ok, but let me ask you something. Several days ago now, there was an exchange on here about how we elect TV personalities now rather than policy makers. In that exchange I stated that I thought that all TV debates between candidates is staged bullshit (not my words at the time), and I haven't watched any in over 40 years. I consider the TV performance of candidates pretty unimportant, and you replied that it's important to see how well a politician "handled" themselves. What do you think of Trump stomping off the stage in a huff when questions don't go his way? He has done this more than once now and he did it the other day when the veterans legislation came up. Because I think he handled that pretty badly.

[Alan Klein]

Ok, but let me ask you something. Several days ago now, there was an exchange on here about how we elect TV personalities now rather than policy makers. In that exchange I stated that I thought that all TV debates between candidates is staged bullshit (not my words at the time), and I haven't watched any in over 40 years. I consider the TV performance of candidates pretty unimportant, and you replied that it's important to see how well a politician "handled" themselves. What do you think of Trump stomping off the stage in a huff when questions don't go his way? He has done this more than once now and he did it the other day when the veterans legislation came up. Because I think he handled that pretty badly.

When Trump starts acting that way, I shut him off. I can't watch. But that's who he is. He's a real estate developer from Queens. He doesn't take BS. He punches back. He doesn't stand for crap. We knew that when we elected him. And that's how he treats people who aren't loyal or whi oppose him.  He's unpolitically intolerant. He doesn't sweet talk. He doesn't take crap.

[faberryman]

When Trump starts acting that way, I shut him off. I can't watch. But that's who he is. He's a real estate developer from Queens. He doesn't take BS. He punches back. He doesn't stand for crap. We knew that when we elected him. And that's how he treats people who aren't loyal or whi oppose him.  He's unpolitically intolerant. He doesn't sweet talk. He doesn't take crap.

So what exactly was the “BS” and “crap” he wasn’t going to take when walked out in a huff like a two year old at the “news conference” the other day. A news reporter simply asked why he keeps lying about Veteran’s Choice. Seems like a fair question to me. Maybe you know why he keeps lying about Veteran’s Choice? Is “unpolitically intolerant” a synonym for “asshole”?

[Alan Klein]

So what exactly was the “BS” and “crap” he wasn’t going to take when walked out in a huff at the “news conference” the other day. A news reporter simply called him out for lying about Veteran’s Choice.

I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing.   The reporter apparently was trolling him, trying to bait him and get a rise out of him.  So he didn't take the bait and wwalked out.

[Peter McLennan]

I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing.

Why?  Shouldn't you be informed about your favourite president?

[Craig Lamson]

Ok, but let me ask you something. Several days ago now, there was an exchange on here about how we elect TV personalities now rather than policy makers. In that exchange I stated that I thought that all TV debates between candidates is staged bullshit (not my words at the time), and I haven't watched any in over 40 years. I consider the TV performance of candidates pretty unimportant, and you replied that it's important to see how well a politician "handled" themselves. What do you think of Trump stomping off the stage in a huff when questions don't go his way? He has done this more than once now and he did it the other day when the veterans legislation came up. Because I think he handled that pretty badly.

Well for one thing he did not "stomp off the stage in a huff", but quite frankly I simply love seeing him ignore the press.  He is learning they suck and is figuring out how to deal with them.  Why don't we subject old basement Joe to the same and see how he deals with it?  Come on man!  He can ask if anyone is a junkie....yea thats refreshing and bringing diginity back...

[faberryman]

I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing.

Typical.

[jeremyrh]

I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing.   The reporter apparently was trolling him, trying to bait him and get a rise out of him.  So he didn't take the bait and wwalked out.

Seems to me that walking off in a huff is taking the bait in spades. But I guess he didn't have many good choices, beyond simply admitting he's a liar.

[hogloff]

Seems to me that walking off in a huff is taking the bait in spades. But I guess he didn't have many good choices, beyond simply admitting he's a liar.

Yep, running away from tough questions tells a lot.

[Robert Roaldi]

White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html

What? Not his own mountain? I can't imagine him wanting to share the limelight. Maybe only his face would be illuminated at night.

I've been saying for years that politicians should not have any statues or monuments erected in their honour till they've been dead 50 years. This give history a chance to figure out if they actually did any good or not. Having a living official lobby for their own display seems a bit gauche to me. That's what I expect from kings and tsars.

[faberryman]

Did they?

The New York Times reported that they did. You can chose to believe it or not.

"And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html

[Alan Klein]

The New York Times reported that they did. You can chose to believe it or not.

"And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html

The NY Times and other media have been lying about Trump a lot.  But I suppose you don't count those lies.

[faberryman]

The NY Times and other media have been lying about Trump a lot.  But I suppose you don't count those lies.

Like I mentioned to Craig, that is what was reported by the New York Times. You can chose to believe or or not.

[hogloff]

Like I mentioned to Craig, that is what was reported by the New York Times. You can chose to believe or or not.

It's only true if something glorifies Trump... Otherwise it is a lie...fake news.

[Craig Lamson]

The New York Times reported that they did. You can chose to believe it or not.

"And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html

So they have one un-named person making an unsubstantiated claim. Whats to believe?   Typical Trump hating NYT.  Have they or anyone else who re-ran this tripe bothered to confirm anything?   

[Craig Lamson]

It's only true if something glorifies Trump... Otherwise it is a lie...fake news.

Or its just a lie or fake news because thats what they do...and the gullible fall for it hook line and sinker.

[faberryman]

So they have one un-named person making an unsubstantiated claim. Whats to believe?   Typical Trump hating NYT.  Have they or anyone else who re-ran this tripe bothered to confirm anything?

It is always your prerogative to believe what you want to believe.

[Craig Lamson]

It is always your prerogative to believe what you want to believe.

Yes, it my perogative to believe news that is proven true and discard the rest.  I guess you use a different formula.