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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #3420 on: October 29, 2020, 02:24:18 am »

So now UPS is in on the cover-up. Has Fox News hired a team of comedy writers?

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084

The next thing you know some guy will go on Fox and say something bad about someone that Fox viewers don’t like, and the host will ask him for proof, and the guy will say his dog ate the emails, and the host will say no problem he believes him anyway.

Sure, it’s possible that some guy at UPS who is a Biden fanatic stole the documents. I mean Biden fanatic seems like an oxymoron to me but whatever. Anything is possible. Anybody seen The Matrix. That could be true. Some people believe in God, some people don’t. Pascal said he believed in God just in case it was true. People believe all kind of stuff for all kind of reasons. So if you want to believe some guy at UPS stole those Hunter Biden documents, be my guest. Who knows. You might be right. Anything is possible. Did I mention about Martians abducting this guy. The dog didn’t eat his photos of the UFO they took him to Mars in so that one is really true, no question about it.
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« Reply #3421 on: October 29, 2020, 04:23:27 am »

Just to change the subject, time to puncture another myth propagated by (some on) 'the right'


< In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020 >
Finally putting paid to the fallacious notion that violence is the province of the left.



A new report by the Transnational Threats Project at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think-tank, suggests that far-right terrorism is a much greater threat than far-left terrorism.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states

The report drew on databases compiled by research groups and press releases from the FBI and the Department of Justice, cross-checked against criminal complaints and news reports. Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded.

Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism.

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For an overview of the methodology used in compiling the data set
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/201021_Jones_WarComesHome_Methodology.pdf

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« Reply #3422 on: October 29, 2020, 07:29:13 am »

Just to change the subject, time to puncture another myth propagated by (some on) 'the right'


< In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020 >
Finally putting paid to the fallacious notion that violence is the province of the left.



A new report by the Transnational Threats Project at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think-tank, suggests that far-right terrorism is a much greater threat than far-left terrorism.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states

The report drew on databases compiled by research groups and press releases from the FBI and the Department of Justice, cross-checked against criminal complaints and news reports. Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded.

Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism.

First, what is the deffinition of far left and far right terrorist attacks?  For instance, there has been a steady rise in anti-semitic attacks in NYC from minorities and many on the left like to make it that case that these are far right actors.  However, it is very hard to imagine that minorities in NYC committing these crime are MAGA people.  So many events actually get mis-identified as far right when they are far left.  The news routinely does this too, insisting problems only started when right wingers held protest while ignoring that they showed up without any weapons and were attacked without provocation.  Another great historical example are the Nazis, which people mistakingly say were far right.  They were not; they were far left.  If you ignore the anti-semitism and look at their policies, they all align with far left wing USA policies, like state ownership of the banks, issue quotas for businesses, controlling what businesses could do, confiscating guns, etc.

Second, I skimmed the article but where did they get the stats from?  For example The Southern Poverty Law Center, which is referenced often, admitted this year that they do not keep track of left leaning terrorist groups or events.  They even went so far as to say there is no such thing as the far left, ignoring Antifa.  So, a lot of the agencies keeping track of this are on the left and give left leaning actors the benefit of the doubt, much like our current oh so brave Dems refusing to call out Antifa. 

But perhaps over the last 20 years, the statement is correct, but that would be like saying since 1776 more often then not women could not vote.  Over the last 2 years, I would say it is false and left leaning groups are producing more terror. 

I also would like to see the total number of people effected by the combined amount of terrorist events.  Far right wing groups often conduct themselves in rural areas, whereas left leaning groups have been doing stuff in the cities effecting many more people per event. 

3rd night of BLM riots and looting here in Philly, and stores that were destroyed in June's riots and rebuilt are getting destroyed again.  Plus a van filled with dynamite was found this morning on Logan Square; thank God these people are too stupid to keep from getting caught.  I hate to say, but I fear BLM has destroyed the community more then can fathom right now.  After this year, I would bet most retail owners will no longer want to build in minorities neighborhoods.  To watch someone have their store destroyed only to rebuild and have it destroyed again will be of great concern when deciding on where to locate and the repeated protests that devolved into riots BLM and Antifa pushed has created the very racism they claim to fight against that will keep business from building in these communities.

BTW, do they count the BLM riots as far left terrorist events, because if not this whole study is bogus? 
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« Reply #3423 on: October 29, 2020, 08:44:56 am »

Besides, the chart is too complicated to understand. I took one look at it and knew the research was rigged. What a bunch of commie/lib academics. You wouldn’t believe some of the stuff they were telling my kids, so I took them out of their colleges and sent them to Liberty University. I’d rather have have the college president watch the pool guy bang his wife than let those commie/lib professors brainwash my kids. Then someone told me that watching the pool guy bang your wife is commie/lib. Now I don't know what I am going to do. Fortunately they cancelled classes because of COVID so that bought me some time to figure it all out. I'm thinking about building a pool in the backyard and having a chat with the pool guy and my wife to see if it really is commie/lib.

You’ll get no argument from me that the rioters aren’t lashing out irrationally. They are. To stop it, maybe the police should stop doing the stuff that makes them lash out irrationally. You know, address the disease instead of the symptoms. What a concept. They could start by shooting the guy eight or nine times instead of fourteen. What, did they have to stop and reload? Show some restraint. Maybe spend some time at the range. But I didn’t go to Liberty University so what do I know.  Maybe your wife would stop hitting you on the head with a frying pan if your stopped stealing her pies off the window sill. Telling her she is lashing out irrationally and sticking her in time out, or whatever you do when you discipline you wife, is probably not the solution. Some of this stuff is so obvious.
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« Reply #3424 on: October 29, 2020, 08:54:48 am »

So now UPS is in on the cover-up. Has Fox News hired a team of comedy writers?

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084

The next thing you know some guy will go on Fox and say something bad about someone that Fox viewers don’t like, and the host will ask him for proof, and the guy will say his dog ate the emails, and the host will say no problem he believes him anyway.

Sure, it’s possible that some guy at UPS who is a Biden fanatic stole the documents. Anything is possible. Anybody seen The Matrix. That could be true. Some people believe in God, some people don’t. Pascal said he believed in God just in case it is true. People believe all kind of stuff for all kind of reasons. So if you want to believe some guy at UPS stole those Hunter Biden documents, be my guest. Who knows. You might by right. Anything is possible. Did I mention about Martians abducting this guy. The dog didn’t eat his photos of the UFO they took him to Mars in so that one is really true, no question about it.

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« Reply #3425 on: October 29, 2020, 09:25:42 am »

So what? There are probably a lot of people out there saying even if all that Hunter Biden laptop stuff is true, and the press is trying to hide it, they are still going to vote for Biden because Trump is so odious. In fact, probably all of them that aren’t members of the Trump cult. Do you think anyone is voting about policy? Maybe instead of spending all his time and money running around the country preaching to the choir at rallies, and screwing up the shuttle buses so his supporters freeze to death afterwards, Trump should ramp up on all this Hunter Biden laptop stuff, and go out and convince everyone that Biden is even more odious than he is. Maybe he could get Bobulinski to do some commercials for him since he is so convincing. Don’t worry. No matter who wins or loses you can still bitch and moan about the press. And do us all a favor and quit whining about life being so unfair. It gets really old.
Trump isn't whining.  He gets out there and campaigns.  Does his job.  Keeps going.  Like the Eveready bunny. 

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« Reply #3426 on: October 29, 2020, 09:41:37 am »

Just to change the subject, time to puncture another myth propagated by (some on) 'the right'


< In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020 >
Finally putting paid to the fallacious notion that violence is the province of the left.



A new report by the Transnational Threats Project at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think-tank, suggests that far-right terrorism is a much greater threat than far-left terrorism.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states

The report drew on databases compiled by research groups and press releases from the FBI and the Department of Justice, cross-checked against criminal complaints and news reports. Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded.

Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism.

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For an overview of the methodology used in compiling the data set
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/201021_Jones_WarComesHome_Methodology.pdf


Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts.  It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty. 

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« Reply #3427 on: October 29, 2020, 09:42:28 am »

There is no doubt a Trump rally is highly entertaining.

I think he might be able to out walk and out work you Alan, but that’s just my opinion, mind you.
Since I walk between 3-4 miles a day that is highly doubtful.  We are also about the same age.  I don't think he could walk a full round of golf; I could.
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« Reply #3428 on: October 29, 2020, 09:43:45 am »

The press should be investigating. They're not doing their job.  They're a joke.
How do you know they are not?  If there is no story there they don't publish and there already have been stories in both the NY Times and WaPo on this.
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« Reply #3429 on: October 29, 2020, 09:52:35 am »

So now UPS is in on the cover-up. Has Fox News hired a team of comedy writers?

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084

The next thing you know some guy will go on Fox and say something bad about someone that Fox viewers don’t like, and the host will ask him for proof, and the guy will say his dog ate the emails, and the host will say no problem he believes him anyway.
It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet.  I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use.  Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."

So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies.  Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning.  This one smells.
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« Reply #3430 on: October 29, 2020, 09:56:10 am »

How do you know they are not?  If there is no story there they don't publish and there already have been stories in both the NY Times and WaPo on this.
Both papers are anti-Trump.  They investigated nothing.  Their "stories" were to support Biden. I can't believe you really think these papers are purveyors of political truth. They've had their thumbs on the scales against Trump for 5 years. 

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« Reply #3431 on: October 29, 2020, 10:05:16 am »

It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet.  I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use.  Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."

So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies.  Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning.  This one smells.
I've had problem with all three.  It once took three weeks to get a certified letter to a lawyer when I was buying my house.  FedEx and UPS throw packages on the ground.  Who knows if any are stolen.  They both stuff small packages into the mailbox on the street rather than them bring them to my  door.  That's illegal.  I always get various neighbors mail. The other day, I got one that contained a check for $34,000 made out to a corporation. I didn't notice it wasn't addressed to me when I opened it.  I thought about it for awhile :) resealed it and then put it in his mailbox.

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« Reply #3432 on: October 29, 2020, 10:24:15 am »

Since I walk between 3-4 miles a day that is highly doubtful.  We are also about the same age.  I don't think he could walk a full round of golf; I could.

You never know.
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« Reply #3433 on: October 29, 2020, 10:26:55 am »

Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts.  It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty. 
Apparently there are nuts in Europe too.

Woman decapitated as knife-wielding man kills 3 in suspected France terror attack
https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/woman-decapitated-as-knife-wielding-man-kills-three-in-french-church/

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« Reply #3434 on: October 29, 2020, 10:29:55 am »

Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts.  It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty. 

Right.
Lucid, perspicacious and rational, all-in-one.
Now let's get back to the cogent topic of the last 100 odd pages: dissing Biden.
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« Reply #3435 on: October 29, 2020, 10:32:44 am »

It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet.  I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use.  Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."

So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies.  Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning.  This one smells.

Yea they do and he said so last night and that they had that tracking data.  He also said they reviewed all of the data, watched all of the videos and talked to all people involved and even searched the trucks, and they had no idea what happened or why. The package was found opened by one of their employees. 

Now either Tucker is not telling the truth ( and I have no idea if he served in the military) or the carrier is.  Or maybe somebody actually stole the material.  Sneakers comes to mind.  Perhaps some enterprising MSM journalist will tackle this story.  They should have plenty of time left over since they are not covering Hunter.

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« Reply #3436 on: October 29, 2020, 10:37:57 am »

Besides, the chart is too complicated to understand. I took one look at it and knew the research was rigged. What a bunch of commie/lib academics. You wouldn’t believe some of the stuff they were telling my kids, so I took them out of their colleges and sent them to Liberty University. I’d rather have have the college president watch the pool guy bang his wife than let those commie/lib professors brainwash my kids. Then someone told me that watching the pool guy bang your wife is commie/lib. Now I don't know what I am going to do. Fortunately they cancelled classes because of COVID so that bought me some time to figure it all out. I'm thinking about building a pool in the backyard and having a chat with the pool guy and my wife to see if it really is commie/lib.

You’ll get no argument from me that the rioters aren’t lashing out irrationally. They are. To stop it, maybe the police should stop doing the stuff that makes them lash out irrationally. You know, address the disease instead of the symptoms. What a concept. They could start by shooting the guy eight or nine times instead of fourteen. What, did they have to stop and reload? Show some restraint. Maybe spend some time at the range. But I didn’t go to Liberty University so what do I know.  Maybe your wife would stop hitting you on the head with a frying pan if your stopped stealing her pies off the window sill. Telling her she is lashing out irrationally and sticking her in time out is probably not the solution. Some of this stuff is so obvious.

So have you tried Sky Replacement?  It works pretty well.  I suspect you will see most every photo with a dramatic sky now.  Storm cloulds over every Biden photo?
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« Reply #3437 on: October 29, 2020, 10:40:26 am »

Yea they do and he said so last night and that they had that tracking data.  He also said they reviewed all of the data, watched all of the videos and talked to all people involved and even searched the trucks, and they had no idea what happened or why. The package was found opened by one of their employees. 
I'll wait for someone on the Fox News side to verify this allegation.
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« Reply #3438 on: October 29, 2020, 10:45:45 am »

Meanwhile, MSM Washington Post has a story on the difficulties Elkhart Count IN is facing (right close by our Indiana photographer) because of politics and the pandemic:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/    "The worst of the pandemic is hitting Elkhart County, Ind., just days before the election. The number of new coronavirus cases is exploding. Positive test rates are three times the national average. Local hospitals are running low on beds, their doctors and nurses exhausted.

Yet Elkhart’s public health leaders and politicians know exactly what needs to be done — how to slow the virus and break the chains of transmission. They did it with success during a smaller outbreak this summer.

But they also know that’s not going to happen now."
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« Reply #3439 on: October 29, 2020, 10:45:45 am »

So have you tried Sky Replacement?  It works pretty well.  I suspect you will see most every photo with a dramatic sky now.  Storm cloulds over every Biden photo?

Well, to be honest, I took two or three photoshop courses at my local community college, and never was able to swap heads convincingly on those engagement photos, so I am not really optimistic I would do any better with clouds. I noticed that one of those photo editing software programs now has cloud replacement with AI, but it is kind of like watching Tucker Carlson, I can't bear the thought of trying to learn new software.
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