US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Alan Goldhammer]

Actually no evidence does not mean no action.  To use a favorite tactic of the left, Sources say the FBI did not move forward because they did not think the computer guys story would stand up in court.  Of course that was well before all the email confirmation came to light from other people and Bobulinski getting interviewed by the FBI.  We simply don't know what is going on now.

But according to Rudy, the FBI have the computer!  the problem is that there was absolutely no chain of custody between the time when Hunter Biden allegedly turned the computer in for repair and the time that it was delivered to law authorities.  As a former prosecutor, Giuliani should know better than to claim there was.  there are two possibilities here:  the computer is a red herring or law enforcement both at the Federal and Local level are highly incompetent.  Pick your choice.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Yes.  Bubulinksi's, an honorable veteran's statement. 

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!  If this is what you are resting the case on, I can point to lots of honorable veterans who have run afoul of the law.  Her, take a look at former Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr, an honorable Marine Captain and and abuser of campaign funds to pay for mistresses:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter

[Craig Lamson]

But according to Rudy, the FBI have the computer!  the problem is that there was absolutely no chain of custody between the time when Hunter Biden allegedly turned the computer in for repair and the time that it was delivered to law authorities.  As a former prosecutor, Giuliani should know better than to claim there was.  there are two possibilities here:  the computer is a red herring or law enforcement both at the Federal and Local level are highly incompetent.  Pick your choice.

Its not according to Rudy, the store owner has the document from the FBI requesting he turn it over AFTER first providing them with a drive image.  Not to mention emails from Hunters Attorney asking for the computer back after the story broke.

I'll pick choice three, the FBI is not telling us what is going on, in light of having Bobulinski turn over his devices and sit for an interview. 

Lets face it, you just can't stomach the thought that Joe could be a crook. 

[Craig Lamson]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!  If this is what you are resting the case on, I can point to lots of honorable veterans who have run afoul of the law.  Her, take a look at former Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr, an honorable Marine Captain and and abuser of campaign funds to pay for mistresses:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter

So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar? 

[Robert Roaldi]

So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?

Pretty lame deflection there.

[Craig Lamson]

Pretty lame deflection there.

Deflecting from what exactly? 

[Robert Roaldi]

These things that one of the Biden may have done or maybe had the opportunity to do or maybe something else, if they happened they happened over 4 years ago. In the intervening time, Trump and the GOP have been in power. And only now, a few days before the election, we're seeing a full-court press based on maybe some info that is in many people's hands but that they're not telling anyone about in any detail. At best, this is smoke and mirrors. And it's so bizarrely obscure that it's not clear to me who it is meant to influence, if it can influence anyone at all, which I doubt. At first it seemed like grasping at straws, but it's not even that. What's next, we find out that Joe and Hunter hang out a pizza joints together where they meet up with some Freemasons and tell lurid Trump jokes? If this the best dirt there is on Biden, well, it's pretty pathetic.

All that Biden stuff aside, the thing that has stuck the most with me these past few days is people in positions of great power walking out of interviews because the questions got tough. Who could respect them after that? It's the equivalent of 8 year olds throwing temper tantrums. It's embarrassing to witness.

[Alan Klein]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!  If this is what you are resting the case on, I can point to lots of honorable veterans who have run afoul of the law.  Her, take a look at former Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr, an honorable Marine Captain and and abuser of campaign funds to pay for mistresses:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter

I had compared Bubba to Cohen, Trump's lawyer who went to jail for perjury and other things. 

[Craig Lamson]

These things that one of the Biden may have done or maybe had the opportunity to do or maybe something else, if they happened they happened over 4 years ago. In the intervening time, Trump and the GOP have been in power. And only now, a few days before the election, we're seeing a full-court press based on maybe some info that is in many people's hands but that they're not telling anyone about in any detail. At best, this is smoke and mirrors. And it's so bizarrely obscure that it's not clear to me who it is meant to influence, if it can influence anyone at all, which I doubt. At first it seemed like grasping at straws, but it's not even that. What's next, we find out that Joe and Hunter hang out a pizza joints together where they meet up with some Freemasons and tell lurid Trump jokes? If this the best dirt there is on Biden, well, it's pretty pathetic.

All that Biden stuff aside, the thing that has stuck the most with me these past few days is people in positions of great power walking out of interviews because the questions got tough. Who could respect them after that? It's the equivalent of 8 year olds throwing temper tantrums. It's embarrassing to witness.

You don't like the timing, neither do I but Rudy says he has only had the stuff for a few weeks.  A month  ago would have been far better but the timing is what it is.  Is it any different that NBC sitting on the Trump tape and waiting to use it as an Oct surprise?  The answer is nope,but they they were supporting Hillary so that makes it all better. 

I am really quite happy to see people telling the media to stuff it.  At least they sat down and were questioned.  Whats Hidin Biden doing when it comes to media questions?  Hiding.  That should make you very embarassed.

So we have six days and however long the some states need to count the ballots and see how many thay need to manufacture to assure a Biden win /s

Take a deep breath, cross your fingers and figure out how you are going to feel when Trump wins again!

[Alan Goldhammer]

So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?

Did you even read the post I responded to.  Alan Klein was identifying him as an honorable veteran.  That is no reason to believe he is or is not telling the truth. Just because one is a veteran does not mean that he/she always tells the truth.

[Alan Goldhammer]

I had compared Bubba to Cohen, Trump's lawyer who went to jail for perjury and other things.

Not in the post I responded to.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Its not according to Rudy, the store owner has the document from the FBI requesting he turn it over AFTER first providing them with a drive image.  Not to mention emails from Hunters Attorney asking for the computer back after the story broke.

I'll pick choice three, the FBI is not telling us what is going on, in light of having Bobulinski turn over his devices and sit for an interview. 

Lets face it, you just can't stomach the thought that Joe could be a crook.

A crook? How?

[faberryman]

From your linked story.  Trump provided 40 buses instead of the normal 15.   It is unknown how many people that were taken to the hospital for the cold.

Gosh, when you are down to quibbling over how many people went to the hospital, maybe it is time to go down to the kitchen and make a ham sandwich and rethink things while you are trying to find the mayonnaise in the refrigerator.

[faberryman]

It wasn't 2017. Biden son made the deal with China while Biden was Vice President years before around 2014.  Both of them flew together a number of times in Air Force 2, the Vice President official government plane, and met with people involved in the company in China and who gave his son the deal.  Hunter didn't do a hands length transaction in getting the job but used his father and his government office of VP.  If his father wasn't VP at the time, no one would have given Hunter a deal much less a second look. The question being raised by Bubba's comments and records, is whether Joe Biden took money or is having money held for him for the deal.  If he did, that would be a violation of the constitution, and impeachable offence, and probably tax avoidance because he wouldn't have reported the income as earnings or it would be proof he was part of the deal.  That senile he isn't.

So, hypothetically, assuming he’s guilty of all that, looking at the the sentencing guidelines, how much time should he do for which crimes?

[Craig Lamson]

Did you even read the post I responded to.  Alan Klein was identifying him as an honorable veteran.  That is no reason to believe he is or is not telling the truth. Just because one is a veteran does not mean that he/she always tells the truth.

I sure did.  As far as we know he IS an honorable veteran and will be until proven otherwise.  To suggest he might be a liar is the same as calling him one IMO.

[faberryman]

You will note, the WSJ wrote that story before Bobulinski laid out his case.   They wrote it days ago.. Things have changed.  BTW, even if there were no "corporate records" indicating a role for Joe Biden and even if the deal did not complete, do you think its possible for Joe to be involved and NOT be listed as a partner?  After all he was a potential Presidental candidate. 

Inconvenient scandals for the current darling of the left must be supressed at all costs.

Sure, a lot of stuff is possible. Maybe they do have flying saucers out at Roswell after all.

[Craig Lamson]

A crook? How?

I'm not starting from square one for you.  There is plenty here already.

[Craig Lamson]

Sure, a lot of stuff is possible. Maybe the do have flying saucers out at Roswell after all.

I would suggest there is more evidence for Biden that flying saucers out at Roswell.

[faberryman]

The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election.  Then nothing will be done.  If he loses, no one will care.  If he wins, the House will do nothing because it's Democrat controlled.  The Senate will do nothing if it switches to democrat.  Even if it stays republican, any investigation won't go to far since its the House that impeaches.  Of course, if there really was a payoff and he had his hand in the candy jar, and it comes out, it could be Watergate all over again.  The Democrats in Congress like the Republicans back then, will have to protect themselves and go after Biden.  But we're a long way away from that ever happening.

The way you put it, maybe we should all go jump in front of a train or something.

[Craig Lamson]

Gosh, when you are down to quibbling over how many people went to the hospital, maybe it is time to go down to the kitchen and make a ham sandwich and rethink things while you are trying to find the mayonnaise in the refrigerator or something.

I simply stated what the article says.  The number is not the quibble in any case, its why they went. 

In any csae it is time for some lasagna.  Later.